End of the road for Electric Cars ?

Just as soon as battery technology makes EVs practical for your average driver, EVs are going to make ICEs obsolete. By practical, the batteries are going to need to be able to be charged in 10 or 15 minutes — not three hours, which I believe is what they take now.
 

HermitHogan said:
Just as soon as battery technology makes EVs practical for your average driver, EVs are going to make ICEs obsolete. By practical, the batteries are going to need to be able to be charged in 10 or 15 minutes — not three hours, which I believe is what they take now.
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It is possible to charge in 3 hours, but not advised. Most super-fast chargers (and even fast chargers) will drop into slower charging after 80% capacity. You should stop there to avoid reducing battery life. Even fast charging to 80% does irreparable harm.
 

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Ladies, you can't put the power of 20 gallons of gasoline into a battery in a few minutes.
Talk about melt downs, explosions, uncontrollable and unable to extinguish fires. It's an
awful mess you plan to make. But believe what you want. It's your home blowing up.
 
papa tiger said:
Ladies, you can't put the power of 20 gallons of gasoline into a battery in a few minutes.
Talk about melt downs, explosions, uncontrollable and unable to extinguish fires. It's an
awful mess you plan to make. But believe what you want. It's your home blowing up.
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We are in the very early stages of development. The first computers would fill a high school gymnasium and had less power than the cheapest laptop at Walmart today. I'm sure the same progress will be made with batteries given time.
 
Trade said:
We are in the very early stages of development. The first computers would fill a high school gymnasium and had less power than the cheapest laptop at Walmart today. I'm sure the same progress will be made with batteries given time.
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Must likely batteries will improve greatly, but the problem still remains, as Trade states, putting a lot of power into the batteries in a short time.
If you want to extend the range of a vehicle, then you must extend the capacity of the batteries. If you extend the battery capacity, you either have to increase the charging rate, or time taken. In the UK, the domestic mains supply is around 24Kw, but EV charging is only around 7KW .
Fine if you can leave your car to charge overnight.

Domestic chargers can cost around £1k and needs an internet or 4G connection - and of course a 'smart' phone and 'app'. Why can't they just have a switch??
 
Eupher said:
I live in the universe that says, "For me, it's real simple. EV vehicles aren't happening. Ever."

You can apply that to whatever universe you live in.
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Nope. Can't do it in this one. It is BS. Even thinking that you have the right to throw lies out, however you like. Nope that don't happen here. :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
I am not sold on them!!! They ARE HERE! Just admit it. What happens in the future is anybody's guess. Geeez. :)
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Why is it important for you that I admit to something that I will not acknowledge is in my future? EVs are here FOR YOU, perhaps. Not for me. Simplicity is the key here.
 
Eupher said:
Why is it important for you that I admit to something that I will not acknowledge is in my future? EVs are here FOR YOU, perhaps. Not for me. Simplicity is the key here.
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It is an existential language thing we are not connecting with. I get it. I am finished being a horses ass. :)
 
If you are looking for a cheap used vehicle for low mileage in-town driving, used EVs are a deal right now.

A guy I know bought a used Leaf for about $5000 (yes, cheap cars are not that cheap anymore). It has about 40K miles still on it’s battery warranty. But, people don’t like them because even with a full charged battery, driving any long distance is not easy unless you love spending time at the recharge stations.
 
Personally I will probably never get an EV. I don't crave one, and they are way too expensive to get one to save the world. We have switched from the gas powered chain saw to a smaller model electric one. It is great for medium to small jobs. If everyone starts using EV's, they will get popular, plus the Chinese have built one that runs about $20,000 already. The more people that have them, the more we will be able to improve them.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Personally I will probably never get an EV. I don't crave one, and they are way too expensive to get one to save the world. We have switched from the gas powered chain saw to a smaller model electric one. It is great for medium to small jobs. If everyone starts using EV's, they will get popular, plus the Chinese have built one that runs about $20,000 already. The more people that have them, the more we will be able to improve them.
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What I absolutely despise is the hype associated with EVs. Reminds me of avocado green and harvest gold back in the 70s.
 
Inept said:
It's only just begun.
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There's probably a slow down on the uptake of EV's because of the cost of them and that most countries are feeling the pinch when it comes to just the cost of living. But that doesn't negate the need for them one bit and the disaster that hit Spain in the last week is one more example of the climate disasters to come because we continue to burn fossil fuels.

I heard one newscast describe it as 'a years worth of rain in one night' and another said it was the worst rainfall/flood in recorded history in that country. The year I moved from Chilliwack to Alberta, British Columbia had what's called an atmospheric river which is basically what happened to Spain. Washed out our highways to the coast almost totally and flooded the low lying areas so that my town was cut off entirely from Vancouver for weeks. Traffic on the one remaining highway out of town was cut down to only food/materials transportation and no public travel. We only got through the RCMP roadblocks because we had home sale papers proving that we were moving out of the province and it wasn't just recreational.
 
Eupher said:
What I absolutely despise is the hype associated with EVs. Reminds me of avocado green and harvest gold back in the 70s.
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You people sure do get worked up about some weird things. Imagine, a new technology that's only good for the planet! Did cell phones bother you as much when they started appearing and people were gushing about how convenient it was?
 
dilettante said:
If you repeat this enough you might even convince yourself.

But even the automakers here in the US are regretting that they ever took the Danegeld to make a big push for BEVs. Customers are upset, dealers are upset, sales plummeted and the things are rotting on dealer lots. As a result plans are being scaled far back, producing just enough to meet their commitments to the Feds and then they are done with it.

The Japanese makers wised up early and the top tier brands backed away long ago. Even in Europe they've twigged to the issue.
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In 2023, almost 23% of new car registrations in Europe were EV's, up from less than 1% in 2019. And in Norway, almost 95% of their new car sales are EV's. I think it's in the America's that we're slow to embrace new technology. Stubborness, fear, lack of concern for the environment......
 
Debrah N. said:
There's probably a slow down on the uptake of EV's because of the cost of them and that most countries are feeling the pinch when it comes to just the cost of living. But that doesn't negate the need for them one bit ....
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Politics and restrictions.
 

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