Baker Refuses to Make Wedding Cake for Gay Couple

GDAD said:
I wonder if the baker asks every customer whether they are gay before he sells them any of his products?..
Where in the bible does it say"THOUGH SHALL NOT MAKE CAKES FOR GAYS"!
Bloody hell Jesus used to frequent with Prostitutes.
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Worse than that. He dined with tax collectors.
 

When a person orders a cake from that baker I wonder if he asks them if they have ever committed adultery, lied, stolen anything, etc. I don't care what belief system someone has but I just hate it when they get all self righteous and judgmental about it. And now darn it, I want to eat some cake and there's none in the house! :(
 

Here you go Linda, I'll have some with you...low cal! :D


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Well, the point of all this is that if you set yourself up in business serving the public, you cannot discriminate against any one group; they shouldn't have had to go to another baker; the courts have clearly established that separate but equal doesn't cut it. Refusing to do business with a gay couple isn't really any different than refusing to serve black folks at a lunch counter. It's all discrimination and if you have a public business, you can't get away with it. Period. What next -- refusing to serve Muslims, black people or Jews? Besides which, in a practical vein, it's only a lousy cake. The article says he does sell other things to gay people, and making a wedding cake really isn't any different, anyway.

I think the baker is the one grandstanding, and the court is right. We all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but we do NOT have the right to deny others that same right.

People 60 years ago ago probably said the black people were making a big deal out of nothing when they didn't want to use the "colored" drinking fountain down the hall, or the "colored" waiting rooms in bus stations or go to different schools.
 
Butterfly said:
Well, the point of all this is that if you set yourself up in business serving the public, you cannot discriminate against any one group; they shouldn't have had to go to another baker; the courts have clearly established that separate but equal doesn't cut it. It's all discrimination and if you have a public business, you can't get away with it. Period. The article says he does sell other things to gay people, and making a wedding cake really isn't any different, anyway.

I think the baker is the one grandstanding, and the court is right. We all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but we do NOT have the right to deny others that same right.
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Well said Butterfly, as a baker he was supposed to do his job that his business advertises, throw some flour, water and eggs together for this customer and make them a cake. He didn't have to perform the wedding ceremony, or accompany them to their honeymoon suite. :rolleyes: Baker is grandstanding to be sure.
 
Ok. If I'm a baker, I should expect to make cakes for my customers, tall, short, men, women, ugly, beautiful, gay, straight...whoever walks through my door and agrees to pay. As a pharmacist I should sell birth control products to my customers, whoever they are, I should sell morning after products, condoms, whatever that customer wants. If, in either business I will not sell to ANYONE, I should close up and sell to NO ONE!!!
 
Not to mention..... every business, even private businesses are subsidized by our tax dollar.. in that the sidewalks and roads leading people to their business are taxpayer funded... the street lights and other infrastructure that a business needs to operate... water, sewers and garbage disposal are funded by tax dollars.. No business could operate if they had to secure all that privately.. and guess who ALSO pays those taxes... yep.. gay people pay taxes too.
 
I wonder what would happen if I went into a Muslim baker and asked for a cake bearing a image of the Prophet?

I know what would happen over here - I'd face charges for religious offences. Perhaps your laws are different.

If a Muslim, quite rightly, can refuse to offend against his own religious beliefs, should not a nominally Christian country extend the same courtesy to Christians?
 
Laurie said:
I wonder what would happen if I went into a Muslim baker and asked for a cake bearing a image of the Prophet?

I know what would happen over here - I'd face charges for religious offences. Perhaps your laws are different.

If a Muslim, quite rightly, can refuse to offend against his own religious beliefs, should not a nominally Christian country extend the same courtesy to Christians?
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Not even a reasonable analogy Laurie.. For one thing.. no one is asking these bakers to bake a cake depicting blasphemy against Jesus.. or something a Christian would consider blasphemy.. They are asking for a simple WEDDING CAKE.. I would assume with flowers and whatever else appears on traditional wedding cakes, which this baker makes every day and is in the business of making. How can you even think your example even compares?
 
" or something a Christian would consider blasphemy.. "

Not me, but many would, and do, as "an abomination in the sight of the Lord".

For the record I am not a homophobe, but I am a Christian.
 
Laurie said:
" or something a Christian would consider blasphemy.. "

Not me, but many would, and do, as "an abomination in the sight of the Lord".

For the record I am not a homophobe, but I am a Christian.
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If they asked the baker to decorate with the image of two men in a sex act I might have to agree with you, but a simple wedding cake, no, you have no standing in that case.
 
AZ Jim said:
If they asked the baker to decorate with the image of two men in a sex act I might have to agree with you, but a simple wedding cake, no, you have no standing in that case.
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You are absolutely spot on in your analogy Jim. To provide a service for someone... particularly if it's a service you would provide for everyone else, and refusing to do so simply because you do not approve of the customer is not only judgmental.. but against the law.
 
QuickSilver said:
You are absolutely spot on in your analogy Jim. To provide a service for someone... particularly if it's a service you would provide for everyone else, and refusing to do so simply because you do not approve of the customer is not only judgmental.. but against the law.
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I agree with Jim and QuickSilver on this one.
 

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