Against the vaccine? What about polio?

Oldeagle66 said:
I have to agree. Most people who are against vaccines get their information from politicians, podcasters, social media and religious beliefs. Seldomly by trained professionals. They discount all the successes in the past century. I just get all my shots every year and move on.
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Like all the politicians, movie stars, famous people were saying how good the vax was! My how tables have turned.
So its ok if a politician says they are good, but when another says bad its not good?
 

Tazx said:
If the speaker you refer to is me, well, I have provided links many times or instructed people where to find it. Vaers, cdc, fda, gov.us nhs uk, etc. or other examples. Dependent on topic. I am not doing the work for you. If you feel its important to you, you do the work, if it is not, just bypass the conversation.
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It's a case of the mass delusion and the inability to come to terms that they have made a mistake.
 

Inept said:
I suppose, yes, but I do believe that they get their information from trained professionals though politicians, podcasters, social media, and (perhaps) religious beliefs. After all, you don't actually sit down for a cup of coffee with a trained professional and ask them their opinion .... do you?

Well, enough trained professionals (on the corporate payroll) testified that smoking does not contribute highly to lung cancer & is addictive, and that sugar is not fattening & is addictive.

Most of us do. I don't always but most do.
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Perfect- always blindly listen to the doctors. I fully advocate vaccinations except for my children and pets
 
What I don't get is that people in about half the world where you needed a vax pass (highly illegal), you had to prove you were vaxxed to go into places. Somehow we had to tell you we were not vaxxed, and shunned from society. (Thankfully we were in a common sense country and didn't have that stupidity).
They would post in the media/news all the time when an unvaxxed person was in the hospital, or when an unvaxxed died. But when someone dies now, they dont say if their vaxxed/unvaxxed. Hmmm, wonder why? Is it the fact that the stats constantly coming out are blowing those garbage lies up? Recent reports are turbo cancers, myo and peri carditis overwhelming hospital depts. Where did we here that before. Oh right during the pandemic lies. When hospitals were so overwhelmed!!
Despite websites like -film your hospital, and oh yeah all those tik tok videos of perfectly choreographed doctors and nurses doing dances-apparently had the time to practice for hours to make those dances...I thought they were overwhelmed? Ha!

So was there some kind of change why all of a sudden this info is private?
This is a double standard if I have ever seen one. Why wont govts release stats about how many people with disorders and diseases are vaxxed? Apparently private medical info isnt private, so where is this info? Seems to only work one way.

The reason I am pi&&ed off, is because both our families fell for this stupidity. The only ones -my wife and I, our son and his wife, and our daughter and her boyfriend- did not get it or fall for that garbage. But My wifes mother, my mother, my idiotic brother, my sons girlfriends parents and our daughters boyfriends parents, all took that crap. Our sons wife-her parents have myocarditis..my wifes mother has neuropathy, my mother has neuropathy and a bone issue, our daughter boyfriends parents have mysterious headaches, and my dumb a&& brother who was in a field ready unit, is now with chronic breathing problems and has body weakness. None of these people had any of these issues prior to that useless deadly shot.

Doctors all over the world are starting to call out these shots for what they are. But no one seems to want to hear the truth. Instead parroting the same garbage as always. Still believers till the end.

When people said that the unvaxxed should be denied healthcare, put into camps or should die because we wont get the shot...well the tables are turned now, but apparently this time its wrong if I say you took it, you suffer!
 
Oldeagle66 said:
I have to agree. Most people who are against vaccines get their information from politicians, podcasters, social media and religious beliefs. Seldomly by trained professionals. They discount all the successes in the past century. I just get all my shots every year and move on.
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I agree, and thank god I didn't listen to the so called trained professionals- I saw what happened during communism. Glad a dumb conspiracy theorist who didn't get the vaccine or wear a mask- I'm so healthy now, breath in that co2 save the planet!
 
Tazx said:
What I don't get is that people in about half the world where you needed a vax pass (highly illegal), you had to prove you were vaxxed to go into places. Somehow we had to tell you we were not vaxxed, and shunned from society. (Thankfully we were in a common sense country and didn't have that stupidity).
They would post in the media/news all the time when an unvaxxed person was in the hospital, or when an unvaxxed died. But when someone dies now, they dont say if their vaxxed/unvaxxed. Hmmm, wonder why? Is it the fact that the stats constantly coming out are blowing those garbage lies up? Recent reports are turbo cancers, myo and peri carditis overwhelming hospital depts. Where did we here that before. Oh right during the pandemic lies. When hospitals were so overwhelmed!!
Despite websites like -film your hospital, and oh yeah all those tik tok videos of perfectly choreographed doctors and nurses doing dances-apparently had the time to practice for hours to make those dances...I thought they were overwhelmed? Ha!

So was there some kind of change why all of a sudden this info is private?
This is a double standard if I have ever seen one. Why wont govts release stats about how many people with disorders and diseases are vaxxed? Apparently private medical info isnt private, so where is this info? Seems to only work one way.

The reason I am pi&&ed off, is because both our families fell for this stupidity. The only ones -my wife and I, our son and his wife, and our daughter and her boyfriend- did not get it or fall for that garbage. But My wifes mother, my mother, my idiotic brother, my sons girlfriends parents and our daughters boyfriends parents, all took that crap. Our sons wife-her parents have myocarditis..my wifes mother has neuropathy, my mother has neuropathy and a bone issue, our daughter boyfriends parents have mysterious headaches, and my dumb a&& brother who was in a field ready unit, is now with chronic breathing problems and has body weakness. None of these people had any of these issues prior to that useless deadly shot.

Doctors all over the world are starting to call out these shots for what they are. But no one seems to want to hear the truth. Instead parroting the same garbage as always. Still believers till the end.

When people said that the unvaxxed should be denied healthcare, put into camps or should die because we wont get the shot...well the tables are turned now, but apparently this time its wrong if I say you took it, you suffer!
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Babe, you listed way to little of the side effects our family members got- don't forget that after the shots your brother got "covid" multiple times, as did his wife- he got blood clots, vertigo, some random other issues that kept him off work. Your uncle died of turbo cancer- your mother has circulation issues, extreme shaking- not sure what it's called- she has memory loss - so does my mom- the list goes on...all healthy before the shots...just saying
 
Tazx's_better_half said:
Babe, you listed way to little of the side effects our family members got- don't forget that after the shots your brother got "covid" multiple times, as did his wife- he got blood clots, vertigo, some random other issues that kept him off work. Your uncle died of turbo cancer- your mother has circulation issues, extreme shaking- not sure what it's called- she has memory loss - so does my mom- the list goes on...all healthy before the shots...just saying
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My bad. Didn't want to go on and on, but your right...as always!
 
The original post was asking us "anti-vaxers" which I'm very proud to hold that title by the way - what about the polio vaccine.

Well, I actually haven't researched much about that vaccine and it was administered before my time- but I wonder if it caused some long-term issues, I don't want to type out a super long post of what exactly I mean - but it seems that the Boomer generation, who some I know got polio and the vaccine (by the way polio was onset post vaccination - my husband's mother was one of them who proudly talks about her polio episode that almost left her paralyzed- thankfully she got the shot though- BEFORE)...

Anyways, something is just off with some of them...especially the ones who smoke...hard to explain in just a few words.
 
Tazx's_better_half said:
The original post was asking us "anti-vaxers" which I'm very proud to hold that title by the way - what about the polio vaccine.

Well, I actually haven't researched much about that vaccine and it was administered before my time- but I wonder if it caused some long-term issues, I don't want to type out a super long post of what exactly I mean - but it seems that the Boomer generation, who some I know got polio and the vaccine (by the way polio was onset post vaccination - my husband's mother was one of them who proudly talks about her polio episode that almost left her paralyzed- thankfully she got the shot though- BEFORE)...

Anyways, something is just off with some of them...especially the ones who smoke...hard to explain in just a few words.
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Yeah funny more cases of Polio and severe side effects AFTER the Polio shot.
 
Everybody who was looking around noticed that after the Covid shots the cases of young people who died "suddenly and unexpected" increased significantly.

Even some of the less severe effects were dramatic. I know an orthopedic technician who got an autoimmune disease which led to extensive inflammation of the tissue of both underarms. He tried to get it under control with cortisone, compression bandages and compression stockings for his arms, but had no success and had to give up his profession and shop.
 
babs, make sure statistics provided are from reputable sources.

We have had no cases of polio in most countries of the world for several years now - it is on track to be next disease eradicated from the world.

Clearly there are not more polio cases since advent of the vaccine.

good summary here and graphs part way down page Polio
 
January said:
babs, make sure statistics provided are from reputable sources.

We have had no cases of polio in most countries of the world for several years now - it is on track to be next disease eradicated from the world.

Clearly there are not more polio cases since advent of the vaccine.

good summary here and graphs part way down page Polio
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I'm not sure he
January said:
babs, make sure statistics provided are from reputable sources.

We have had no cases of polio in most countries of the world for several years now - it is on track to be next disease eradicated from the world.

Clearly there are not more polio cases since advent of the vaccine.

good summary here and graphs part way down page Polio
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I didn't expect he had any statistics to back up his claim.
Thank you for all the good information. Science rules.
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From that article: " So far, no paralytic cases have been found, and the risk of an outbreak in these countries with high vaccination rates is deemed fairly low."

so they are finding polio virus in waste waters - they are not finding polio disease in people.
 
January said:
From that article: " So far, no paralytic cases have been found, and the risk of an outbreak in these countries with high vaccination rates is deemed fairly low."

so they are finding polio virus in waste waters - they are not finding polio disease in people.
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I recall from my parental instructions in my childhood that waste waters were common environments for polio. This was before we had a vaccine. And it was probably why they came up with vaccines. Even washing our hands as we were told, I had friends that were crippled from polio.
 
"The polio virus is still circulating worldwide. In 2022, an unvaccinated man in Rockland County, N.Y., was paralyzed by polio. Earlier this year, the virus paralyzed a child in Gaza, the first case in the region in 25 years, which prompted a mass vaccination campaign against polio.


“We still need to give the polio vaccine as long as these strains are in the environment,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. If the vaccine is eliminated, Dr. Offit said, “these strains will do just what they did in Gaza and do just what they did to this man in Rockland County.”"
 

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