Against the vaccine? What about polio?

I have never met a person who believes in a flat earth. On a flat earth a ship wouldn't vanish on the horizon as it does. Ergo: No flat earth.
 
George1959 said:
I have never met a person who believes in a flat earth. On a flat earth a ship wouldn't vanish on the horizon as it does. Ergo: No flat earth.
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Well George, sorry to say, but ask any Navy person who has used the various Navy tech, (big eyes, or telephoto binoculars) and ships do not disappear over the horizon. Not saying the earth is not round, but in no way is the math they teach correct. On Navy ships, you can see them for a long distance by zooming in.
Also, there are many studies that show long distances mean nothing. There was University students in Toronto that set up cameras and laser levels on both sides of the great lakes and you could see both at equal level, and despite the math that says you shouldn't see the other shoreline, they did. There are actually many videos that show great distances that should not be able to with current round earth math. Salt flats measurements, canal studies, and many boat studies. Is it round or flat? If its round its way bigger than they say.
 

I was going to wait until after the new year...but just reading the news and more info coming out. So I caved!

Grim statistics reveal death skyrocketing in vaccinated populations, not unvaccinated​

The devastating truth behind the worldwide rollout of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines continues to come out, exposing a staggering reality that governments and corporations have either ignored or deliberately concealed. Official data released by the UK government has revealed an alarming surge in deaths among those who received the vaccination, starkly contrasting with the negligible impact on the unvaccinated population.

According to the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA), as of July 2022, over 18.9 million people had refused the first dose of the COVID-19 injection, with another 21.5 million people refusing the second dose. Furthermore, a significant portion of those who received the first dose later refused additional injections, with 2.6 million people refusing the second and 30.4 million refusing the third shot. These figures indicate a widespread rejection of the vaccine, yet the ramifications for those who did comply with this “lifesaving” intervention were ultimately catastrophic.

The data, published by the UK government’s Office for National Statistics (ONS) in the "Deaths by Vaccination Status" dataset, is unequivocal. Between July 2021 and May 2023, there were 965,609 deaths among the vaccinated, compared to just 60,903 deaths among the unvaccinated. This stark disparity is a damning indictment of the policies that mandated and promoted these vaccines.

The UK’s vaccinated population, which accounted for 95% of all COVID-19 deaths, has suffered disproportionately high death rates in each age group since July 2021. The most dramatic increases were observed among the 80 to 89-year-old age group, with the highest number of vaccinated all-cause deaths soaring to 19,914 in December 2022.

This was very alarming to the researchers, but not as troubling as understanding that it is happening in every country.

Government officials in the Philippines are raising the alarm after the nation has now recorded a staggering 290,000 deaths linked to Covid mRNA shots. Unlike other countries around the world, Filipino lawmakers are now sounding the alarm about the crisis and the government has launched a full investigation into the deaths.)-​

Notably, lawmakers have become alarmed that excess deaths surged among the public after they received Covid mRNA injections.
The hearings established that the deaths were not related to COVID-19 and that the spike only emerged after the “vaccines” that were meant to tackle the virus were rolled out for public use.)-

In the United States, a peer-reviewed study analyzed the data of an almost universally vaccinated population in King County, Washington, revealing an alarming 1,236% surge in excess cardiac arrest deaths among those who received COVID-19 mRNA injections. The study, led by Nicolas Hulscher and his team, exposed a clear link between the vaccines and unprecedented death rates.

The refusal of governments and corporations to take responsibility for these deaths and to rectify this medical disaster underscores a deeper problem. Instead of acknowledging the failures and addressing the suffering of the victims and their families, authorities have perpetuated a cycle of denial and misinformation.

Now, I am not saying anything against all vaccines. I am not anti-vax or pro-vax. But this is very alarming. The -rushed, untested, unsafetied-, c-19 vaccine was, and is a disaster.
I asked my brother once a question;
Would you go onto a car dealership and buy a untested, unsafetied car that they just built? Would you buy a house with no safety inspection or certification? No, no one would buy either. Yet you took part in the largest testing protocol ever with no thought to it.



And once again, silence from the govts on this matter.
 
After my Doctor of many years insisted, I did the Moderna vax with two boosters after careful study of the ingredients. I had a mild reaction after the third. A feeling of being tired after a good nights sleep. I refused the fourth since several people I knew contacted covid even after the boosters.

One lady I know, took the Pfizer vax and got blood clots after the original and both boosters. Being scared of Covid, she wanted the 4th, but her doc said no. You will die from blood clots before you will from Covid. I have heard anything good about the Pfizer vax.

I get my flu vax early every year. It works for me; no flu, since I started it several years ago. I also took all the shingles vax with no problem. I understand the science behind these vaccines, but never could the Covid.
 
This thread was obviously politically motivated and completely dumb from the beginning.

Polio vaccines have nothing to do with Covid vaccines. The Polio vaccines given today don't even have anything to do with the ones used decades ago. Well, maybe they do to those from here:

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Yes it got off topic. Some or most of the posts should be elsewhere.

But to automatically go to politically motivated? Doesn't make sense. I myself have no political affiliation, I am not Liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, left or right....I am truth motivated. Statistical motivated. Facts motivated.
Nothing more, nothing less.
 
As for Polio Vaccine....

On December 13, Fortune published an article claiming that the polio vaccine is “safe and effective” and thanks to this vaccine, “20 million people who would’ve otherwise been paralyzed by polio are walking today.”
This statement is a gross misunderstanding of the scientific literature, and is a laughable assertion that defies simple mathematics.

Did the polio vaccine save 20 million children from paralysis?
While polio can become a serious disease, especially in the case of immunocompromised children, the risk of paralysis is relatively low. According to the FDA, only about 0.001% of poliovirus infections lead to paralysis. The last wild poliovirus case reported in the U.S. was in 1979, according to the CDC. Most infections are asymptomatic, and only a small percentage result in severe illness. This raises questions about the balance between vaccine benefits and risks, particularly in regions where wild poliovirus has been eradicated.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), there were 350,000 reported polio cases globally in 1988, with one in 200 infections leading to irreversible paralysis. This translates to approximately 1,750 paralysis cases that year. Factoring in a 1.2% annual population growth rate, the estimated number of paralysis cases between 1988 and 2024 would be around 80,910—far lower than the 20 million figure cited by Fortune.

The U.S., despite not seeing a wild poliovirus case since 1979, exclusively uses the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), which is injected and contains a dead poliovirus. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), IPV is safe and effective at preventing severe disease but does not stop transmission or infection. This means vaccinated individuals can still carry and spread the virus, even if they don’t fall ill. This means that recently vaccinated individuals are the ones who pose risks to immunocompromised individuals.

Currently, only one stand-alone IPV product, IPOL, is licensed in the U.S., manufactured by Sanofi. However, concerns have been raised about its safety. A 2022 petition to the FDA highlighted that IPOL is produced using genetically modified monkey kidney cells, which could carry viral contaminants. The petition also criticized the lack of long-term safety studies, as clinical trials monitored participants for only three days post-vaccination. Despite these concerns, the FDA has not withdrawn its approval.
The global perspective: OPV and vaccine-derived polio
Outside the U.S., the oral polio vaccine (OPV) is used in mass vaccination campaigns. Unlike IPV, OPV prevents transmission but carries a unique risk: the weakened vaccine-virus can mutate and cause outbreaks of vaccine-derived polio. This has led to cases in Gaza, New York, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where seven children were paralyzed in 2023 after exposure to a vaccine-derived strain.

The WHO acknowledges this risk but continues to use OPV in global eradication efforts. A new genetically modified OPV, nOPV2, was developed to reduce this risk, but its deployment has not eliminated the problem entirely.

All polio vaccines used today are genetically modified, a departure from the original vaccines developed by Dr. Jonas Salk and Dr. Albert Sabin. IPOL, for instance, is produced using immortalized monkey kidney cells, a process that has sparked ethical and safety debates. Critics argue that the long-term effects of these modifications have not been adequately studied.
 
The new Mpox/Smallpox vaccine.

Read down on the bottom of page 16. Risk benefits...

ACAM2000 may cause myocarditis, pericarditis, encephalitis, encephalomyelitis, encephalopathy,progressive vaccinia, generalized vaccinia, severe vaccinial skin infections, erythema multiforme major,eczema vaccinatum, accidental eye infection, fetal vaccinia and fetal death.

Then...
The risks of ACAM2000 may result in severe disability, permanent neurological sequelae or death.• Risk mitigation strategies include communication of risks and benefits by including a Box Warning and Warnings and Precautions in Section 5 of the PI to describe the risks of ACAM2000, and direct counseling prior to vaccination according to individual risks and benefits.

This was just approved. Seriously, how does this get approved.

https://www.fda.gov/media/181552/download?attachment
 
This just broke...
A Florida Grand Jury has determined that Big Pharma engaged in a "pattern of deceptive and obfuscatory behavior" while promoting COVID-19 vaccines to generate billions in profit, all while concealing adverse side effects from the public.
 
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