Holy Smokes! Trump's Solutions & Details Unprecedented for Early Campaigning!

I'm afraid you're both still missing the point of this thread as explained in post #50. These posts are all off-topic to America's issues and solutions (I don't see it as a cultural clash but rather a choice to bash Trump and his family personally). I already posted Trump on the issues with 2 interviews in the OP that were focused on America's issues and his ideas for solutions rather than the personal mess surrounding the 1st debate. I was hoping for a discussion that gave member's own solutions if you disagree with Trump's. I even listed the issues. Unfortunately, all posts are still hung up on the personal mess part….it's been done. You may start your own thread of Trump Bashing if you'd like.

I didn't need to accept your apology, Shalimar, because there was no need for an apology. As I said, "My feelings were not hurt". I don't need anyone's apology, nor expect any, nor ask for any. You did nothing wrong except to post off-topic as did everyone. You're certainly free to Trump Bash in a Trump bashing thread. You're also welcome to bash Trump's political soutions to America's issues in this thread.
 

QuickSilver said:
So what if there is nothing serious about Trump and his "solutions" to discuss? Guess the thread can die then.
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Sure. If you don't find anything serious about America's issues and solutions then this is not the thread to post in.
 

Actually Lara, posters have addressed some of the issues you raised as OP. Granted not all until QS most recent post. Certainly you are under no compulsion to accept any remark apology or otherwise that I offer. I think it is difficult to expect posters to accept your assumptions of their intent/motives around certain posts without being perceived as less than willing to entertain political viewpoints that differ from what you consider to be acceptable. In discussing politics, a capacity to avoid personalizing another's viewpoint is often valuable. That said, unless we all preach to the choir, disappointment is at times inevitable. We can choose to be gracious and let it go, or not. Have a nice day.
 
The man with a plan: Donald trump’s 5-part strategy to make america great again

Trump's 5 Part Strategy

In #1 Foreign Interventions Must Require Cost-Sharing Plans to Reduce U.S. Costs and Guarantee Veterans and Their Families Are Protected) I liked "Money, itself is a weapon".

I also liked #3: Crack Down on China’s Currency Manipulation by Calculating Taxes on Imports Based on How Much a Manufacturing Country’s Currency is Undervalued.
 
Shalimar said:
QS, I may be wrong, but I think it was my original irreverent comment about Melania's sensuality that was perceived as disgusting and filthy. I think you will receive only a slap on the wrist. I don't think apologies are being accepted at the present time whether warranted or not. Perhaps that is less than courteous also? Once again, the culture clash. The Canadianim would not even blink at this satirical content.
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Neither would the British.
 
Election of our president is serious business and should be treated as such. I find it very disappointing that there are those that would even consider Trump as
presidential material. His lacking of qualifications have been out there for all to see, one only has to be aware. The fact that the majority see him as a joke
should be reason enough to reexamine any thoughts of his worthiness. Any lacking of worthiness should be a big part of our assessment of a president. Trump's lacking of worthiness is clear and abundant.


Disappointments are universal.
 
Shalimar said:
Actually Lara, posters have addressed some of the issues you raised as OP…you are under no compulsion to accept any remark or apology..that I offer
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Yes, some have posted on the political issues like AprilT, az, and meanderer. I'm only disappointed that it has turned into trashing people as of late.

I accept your apology but the slander was toward Trump's wife, not me. And why is it called "Canadian Humor" when you trash a woman but you say Trump is guilty when he says something much milder than you did against a woman? He was insult-joking in the same way. Is "Canadian Humor" perhaps a card to play when a crutch is needed?

Edit: I missed Meanderer's post #61 on Trump's 5-Part Strategy Plan with his opinion. That's what this thread is all about. Thank you!
 
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Jackie22 said:
Election of our president is serious business and should be treated as such. I find it very disappointing that there are those that would even consider Trump as
presidential material. His lacking of qualifications have been out there for all to see, one only has to be aware. The fact that the majority see him as a joke
should be reason enough to reexamine any thoughts of his worthiness. Any lacking of worthiness should be a big part of our assessment of a president. Trump's lacking of worthiness is clear and abundant.


Disappointments are universal.
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What Trump has tapped into is the hatred and the anger on the Right. Look how these people have been lied to by their politicians in order to manipulate them into voting for them. Every GOP candidate has made promises they knew darn well they couldn't keep.. Like banning gay marriage. overturning Obamacare, and Roe vs Wade.... as well as bringing Obama himself to his knees.. Didn't happen.. Our President is stronger than ever. So sure.. these people feel duped... which they were.... and they are angry about it and eager to throw their support to a true master manipulator like Trump. They are being duped again..only this time by someone who is saying all the hateful things they wish they could say... one would think they would learn..
 
QuickSilver said:
What Trump has tapped into is the hatred and the anger on the Right. Look how these people have been lied to by their politicians in order to manipulate them into voting for them. Every GOP candidate has made promises they knew darn well they couldn't keep.. Like banning gay marriage. overturning Obamacare, and Roe vs Wade.... as well as bringing Obama himself to his knees.. Didn't happen.. Our President is stronger than ever. So sure.. these people feel duped... which they were.... and they are angry about it and eager to throw their support to a true master manipulator like Trump. They are being duped again.. one would think they would learn..
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As always, you hit the nail on the head.
 
QS, many people practice the art of selective listening. Pablum for the public as it were. They want to feel safe, without having to think for themselves. That is one of the cornerstones of effective manipulation techniques. Conditioning on a grand scale. Scary isn't it?
 
Lara, I do not believe I slandered anyone. But given your comments around my supposed motives, I sense a double standard at work. I have done my best to be gracious. C'est tout, c'est fini. Pax.
 
QuickSilver said:
What Trump has tapped into is the hatred and the anger on the Right. Look how these people have been lied to by their politicians in order to manipulate them into voting for them. Every GOP candidate has made promises they knew darn well they couldn't keep.. Like banning gay marriage. overturning Obamacare, and Roe vs Wade.... as well as bringing Obama himself to his knees.. Didn't happen.. Our President is stronger than ever. So sure.. these people feel duped... which they were.... and they are angry about it and eager to throw their support to a true master manipulator like Trump. They are being duped again..only this time by someone who is saying all the hateful things they wish they could say... one would think they would learn..
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This is very true and apparent in his immigration and race stance....just tell'em what they want to hear.
 
If you listen close to Trump.. 90% of what he talks about is playing on anger. He is also making lot's of promises without bothering to outline exactly HOW he intends to carry them out.. But he is giving people "hope" I guess.. unfortunately it's based on virtually nothing of substance. For example.. his stance on the 10+ million of undocumented immigrants and their American citizen children. Deport them!!! They all have to GO!!!! Exactly HOW are you going to do that Donald? How will you round up 10 million people? How will you PAY for it? When pressed by a reporter... he had no answer.. When asked "what if they have nowhere to to? "We'll work with them" was his answer. What apparently appeals to a portion of the Republican base is turning America into some sort of Jack Boot Police state.. So I guess if you are White.. you will feel safe..
 
What I find difficult to comprehend is how he gets away with changing his stance so often during the last few years. Isn't that perceived as waffling? Hardly presidential. Leads one to surmise a certain expediency might be at work.
 
Shalimar said:
QS, I think you mean white and male? Women of any colour are not secure under Trump's policies.
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Yes... I agree..

What's sad is that he is forcing many of the other GOP candidates to adopt some of his lunacy.. Even Bush used the word "Anchor Baby"... Which even if Bush wins the nomination will be played over and over.... and in Spanish. NO candidate has ever won the Presidency without getting at least 35% of the Hispanic vote. I believe Romney only got 27%.... and all he did was support "self deportation"... What percentage of the Hispanic vote do you suppose the GOP will be getting in 2016?
 
QuickSilver said:
What Trump has tapped into is the hatred and the anger on the Right. Look how these people have been lied to by their politicians in order to manipulate them into voting for them. Every GOP candidate has made promises they knew darn well they couldn't keep.. Like banning gay marriage. overturning Obamacare, and Roe vs Wade.... as well as bringing Obama himself to his knees.. Didn't happen.. Our President is stronger than ever. So sure.. these people feel duped... which they were.... and they are angry about it and eager to throw their support to a true master manipulator like Trump. They are being duped again..only this time by someone who is saying all the hateful things they wish they could say... one would think they would learn..
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In this thread I only see a lot of hatred and anger from the Left and none from the Right. According to today's "Rassmussen's Presidential Tracking Report", Obama has a strong approval rate of 25% and a strong disapproval rate of 41%. Are you saying that Obama didn't make any promises he knew he couldn't keep? Who really knows until it happens? He's made plenty of promises that never happened. Example: Obama's promise regarding Obamacare, "If you want your healthcare plan you can keep it".
 
Meanderer said:
Trump's 5 Part Strategy

In #1 Foreign Interventions Must Require Cost-Sharing Plans to Reduce U.S. Costs and Guarantee Veterans and Their Families Are Protected) I liked "Money, itself is a weapon".

I also liked #3: Crack Down on China’s Currency Manipulation by Calculating Taxes on Imports Based on How Much a Manufacturing Country’s Currency is Undervalued.
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I almost missed seeing this gem! Let me review your link and get back to you later. I have to go for now.
 
I thought this was a thread about Mr. Trump. Surely any direct discussion of the President is off topic? Also, The only left wing poster on this thread as of yet is me. The others are moderates. I certainly feel no hatred toward any segment of American politics, regardless of my personal political stance. That is the Canadian way. Please do not presume to dictate my feelings. If you were cognizant of Canadian law, and the very strict statutes limiting free speech if deemed to incite hatred, which is a serious crime, you would not suggest I am disseminating such. That is a slanderous comment, and deeply insulting to any Canadian.
 
Too challenge Trump so badly is forgetting some things from the Democrat past. Trump is definitely learning about our political system and it's curious ways of doing things. It was not always this way over the many, 200+ years of the US government, with folks of little party alliance and political training. Only in this last, since 1960's, time frame. How about that haberdasher from Missouri back in the 1940's. A quiet man that remained quiet even after he ordered some very strong orders for our people.

I don't think we need to have those that can speak from both sides of their mouth at the same time, as most politicians can and do do.

We, both Democrats and Republicans plus the larger group of independents, will have nothing to concern about till after the nomination debates get going and the number of candidates gets reduced, or increased on the Democrats side, for such twisted posts to have any meaning at all.

Sad to see this thread so messed up by a few irrational ones that only post hate and nothing worth reading.
 
Shalimar said:
I thought this was a thread about Mr. Trump. Surely any direct discussion of the President is off topic? Also, The only left wing poster on this thread as of yet is me. The others are moderates. I certainly feel no hatred toward any segment of American politics, regardless of my personal political stance. That is the Canadian way. Please do not presume to dictate my feelings. If you were cognizant of Canadian law, and the very strict statutes limiting free speech if deemed to incite hatred, which is a serious crime, you would not suggest I am disseminating such. That is a slanderous comment, and deeply insulting to any Canadian.
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I usually stay clear of US political discussions, but I am left wing as well, not moderate. I've been more concerned recently with UK politics.
 
BobF said:
Too challenge Trump so badly is forgetting some things from the Democrat past. Trump is definitely learning about our political system and it's curious ways of doing things. It was not always this way over the many, 200+ years of the US government, with folks of little party alliance and political training. Only in this last, since 1960's, time frame. How about that haberdasher from Missouri back in the 1940's. A quiet man that remained quiet even after he ordered some very strong orders for our people.

I don't think we need to have those that can speak from both sides of their mouth at the same time, as most politicians can and do do.

We, both Democrats and Republicans plus the larger group of independents, will have nothing to concern about till after the nomination debates get going and the number of candidates gets reduced, or increased on the Democrats side, for such twisted posts to have any meaning at all.

Sad to see this thread so messed up by a few irrational ones that only post hate and nothing worth reading.
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Yes, sad. And yes, Trump is clearly learning about the process. He's got a year to brush up. Remember when Obama would read every word from the tele-prompter whenever speaking to the public? He had speech writers too. Trump is paying for his own campaign, doesn't have speech writers, and speaks his own mind without tele-prompters. I think that's why people are giving him leeway for his misspoken lines. He readily admits that his views have evolved over the years. The younger generation likes that because it shows growth and keeping up with the times. Trump is real…you know exactly what you're getting. I think a lot of young people are ready for that and that includes the young at heart. It's the 21st century. Seniors have a different way of looking at things than the younger generation of voters.
 
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