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Lara said:
In this thread I only see a lot of hatred and anger from the Left and none from the Right. According to today's "Rassmussen's Presidential Tracking Report", Obama has a strong approval rate of 25% and a strong disapproval rate of 41%. Are you saying that Obama didn't make any promises he knew he couldn't keep? Who really knows until it happens? He's made plenty of promises that never happened. Example: Obama's promise regarding Obamacare, "If you want your healthcare plan you can keep it".
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Lara.... you are misreading the comments. I certainly don't feel hatred toward the people being fooled by "The Donald" Just pity.. They have been fooled by the GOP since the 60's.. Now they are being fooled by whatever "The Donald" is.. What's sad is that they allow themselves to be.. because Trump puts a voice to their anger and says things in the hateful way they really want to hear and most likely say behind closed doors. I guess that is what is meant by "taking our country back"... back to the days when it was OK to be bigoted and sexist.
 

Trump started with a little group of followers. But each week he is in the mix he gains thousands more. I don't think these are all of the far right Republican either. They seem to be of a good mix and likely even have some of the centered Democrats also wanting to see a move from the far far left more to the middle. As long as Trump keeps gaining followers the remaining candidates need to start observing and seeing what is Trumps magic for gaining more and more followers. Meanwhile Hillary seems to be losing her grip on the Democrat side.

Who knows how things will end up a year from now. Nobody that I can think of on this thread or elsewhere.
 
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In this great Country,If a peanut farmer, an Actor and a Haberdasher could become President, why couldn't a Realtor be President?
 

For the record I make no apologies for anything I posted in this thread. If politics upset you Lara maybe you should avoid posting on the subject. Here other than calling another member names, we all can post what we think. The OP can post what they choose but cannot control the replies to it.
 
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So true Jim. But some folks just don't care about others opinions at all and insist that their posts are to be recognized over the others. Really a small minded set of thinking. I do reject what some folks post and at times say so. That I suppose helps to make the scene more balanced than if I, like many have already done, just leave the forum completely after being put down by these few folks that think only their ideas are worth hearing by putting down personally those that disagree.

Personal attacks should not happen on this forum at all.
 
I watched Trump's rally in Alabama last night and was deeply troubled. He whipped up the anti-immigrant fervor of the crowd and it made me worry for any immigrants who found themselves in Mobile last night. This targeting of one group of people has dark echoes of past events in history and it never ends well. There was a time when I thought Trump to be a buffoon, but now I see him as a danger.
 
MaryZPA said:
I watched Trump's rally in Alabama last night and was deeply troubled. He whipped up the anti-immigrant fervor of the crowd and it made me worry for any immigrants who found themselves in Mobile last night. This targeting of one group of people has dark echoes of past events in history and it never ends well. There was a time when I thought Trump to be a buffoon, but now I see him as a danger.
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He is a danger! If by some bizarre chance he got the repub nomination, I think the voter turnout for Democrats would increase dramatically.
 
MaryZPA said:
I watched Trump's rally in Alabama last night and was deeply troubled. He whipped up the anti-immigrant fervor of the crowd and it made me worry for any immigrants who found themselves in Mobile last night. This targeting of one group of people has dark echoes of past events in history and it never ends well. There was a time when I thought Trump to be a buffoon, but now I see him as a danger.
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Mary you have it right. Someone said "why not a Realtor" as president. The answer is, it's not a Realtor we are discussing, it's an individual named Donald Trump. Why not a Trump? Does mainstream America really want a person who is exploiting a racial divide for President. He is playing to the most basic hate groups in the country. If America ever gets to be the kind of place he would have us be, I would not want to be American. Luckily when the average, intelligent citizen steps into the polling booth it will not be voting for the likes of that hateful Jerk.
 
There is a lot of anti illegal-immigrant fervor in this Country and it doesn't need to be "whipped up". Imagine, a candidate whipping up fervor at a political rally. Maybe they all should be declared "dangerous"!:D
 
Jim, this isn't like you. Trump is a hate monger. He is pandering to the most vile of emotions. No Actor, No peanut farmer ever ran a campaign like this "realtor".
 
I'm stunned in the realtor v peanut farmer back and fourth that it hasn't been brought up that that 'peanut farmer' was a naval officer, had nuclear training/experience with the Navy and a governor. Or that realtor graduated an Ivy League school as did several previous president or famous/infamous professional politicians and made & oversaw several multi million dollar projects.
 
This immigrant problem has been big since way before even Obama. We have appropriate ways to enter this country but across the Mexican border without permission is not one of those legal ways to do it. Prior to these run in and hide immigrants we had those annual groups that would come to the US for work in mostly farm work as I remember it. Then in winter, they would all return to their homes in Mexico. Then again as hand work became available in the US they would return for another season. Somewhere along the years it was decided to allow all those here to get permission to stay. Once that happened it seems to have turned on the sneak from Mexico method of entering into the US. For far too long that type of entry has been allowed, and even promoted by some politicians as just OK. No efforts to really change that has been successful but it should. Allow all that want to enter the US do so but in an organized way, on their way to jobs and homes, not to the welfare types of care.

I have lived in areas where they have settled in various states across the country. Most are just wanting to have jobs so they can take care of their families. The way things are going is they get low paying jobs with no protections. I am talking of legal protections. Correcting this mess will fix lots of the US problems and give our immigrants full protection of our country.
 
We have an immigration issue that needs to be addressed and discussed rationally. I'm absolutely certain that the best solution isn't inciting hatred towards immigrants, legal or illegal.
 
BobF said:
This immigrant problem has been big since way before even Obama. We have appropriate ways to enter this country but across the Mexican border without permission is not one of those legal ways to do it. Prior to these run in and hide immigrants we had those annual groups that would come to the US for work in mostly farm work as I remember it. Then in winter, they would all return to their homes in Mexico. Then again as hand work became available in the US they would return for another season. Somewhere along the years it was decided to allow all those here to get permission to stay. Once that happened it seems to have turned on the sneak from Mexico method of entering into the US. For far too long that type of entry has been allowed, and even promoted by some politicians as just OK. No efforts to really change that has been successful but it should. Allow all that want to enter the US do so but in an organized way, on their way to jobs and homes, not to the welfare types of care.

I have lived in areas where they have settled in various states across the country. Most are just wanting to have jobs so they can take care of their families. The way things are going is they get low paying jobs with no protections. I am talking of legal protections. Correcting this mess will fix lots of the US problems and give our immigrants full protection of our country.
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Ever notice with all the pro ILLEGAL immigration debates,forums,stories very few if any seem to be pushing to clear the back log or wait time to become a US citizen, or to expedite their deportation hearings so both sides know where they stand legally.

And yes the immigrant problem legal or ILLEGAL HAS been an issue for decades. And it's not just Hispanics. In many cities it has been migrants from the Caribbean Islands or south east Asia. No matter the city or country of origin the problem exists because the laws and processes in place haven't been fully practiced and/or given top priority.

Some people are sheep and will always follow the herd. Some simply wait for the herd to start moving(on an issue). Same for Sanders, in college and union circles what he preaches is king. His crowds show it although it's still a feat if the ground people for Trump and Sanders to get staff to tell friend and family to go and/or bring others. We're not seeing new sediments or desires but the motivation to actually do something about them.
 
http://thinkprogress.org/immigratio...nspired-brothers-beat-up-homeless-latino-man/

A pair of siblings in Boston, Massachusetts targeted and ambushed a 58-year-old homeless Latino man because one brother was “inspired in part” by 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, the Boston Globe reported.
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Police arrived on the scene early Wednesday to a homeless man covered in urine, whose nose was broken and chest and arms were battered. The victim told police that “he was awakened by two men urinating on his face.” He said they ripped away his blankets and sleeping bag, hit him in the face and the head, and punched him several times. According to the Boston Globe, several witnesses saw the homeless man being attacked.
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Sadly, I am not surprised. This is how mindless hatred spreads among the emotionally disaffected. The potential for damage is huge. Never underestimate the power of rhetoric. Hitler is the most extreme example of the dangers of unbridled, twisted nationalism. No, I am not equating Mr. Trump with that monster, merely illustrating the dangers of fomenting hatred of minorities etc. "
 
BobF said:
This immigrant problem has been big since way before even Obama. We have appropriate ways to enter this country but across the Mexican border without permission is not one of those legal ways to do it. Prior to these run in and hide immigrants we had those annual groups that would come to the US for work in mostly farm work as I remember it. Then in winter, they would all return to their homes in Mexico. Then again as hand work became available in the US they would return for another season.
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I remember this, it was called the Bracero Program:

The program was voted out of existence by Congress in 1964, under mounting criticism for exploiting Mexican workers and depriving American workers of jobs. One of the factors spurring action by Congress was a September 1963 bus accident near Chualar in the Salinas Valley, killing 32 people, mostly braceros, and injuring 25. It was the worst road accident in U.S. history. The bus was an illegally converted flatbed truck, which was typical of the unsafe conditions braceros had to endure.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_program

Immigration reform is desperately needed, no need to make millions of people criminals, the jails are already past design capacity...

Anybody here like what Hitler did to the Jews and eastern Europeans? Rounding up millions of illegal immigrants and sending them back would require the same type of logistics.

Anybody advocating the roundup and deportation of millions of people is just not playing with a full deck, and simply has more HOT air than solutions.
 
Anybody advocating the roundup and deportation of millions of people is just not playing with a full deck, and simply has more HOT air than solutions.
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Can you imagine what that would look like.. Thousands of freight trains with cattle cars filled with people.. ... hmmmm... where have we seen that before?
 
I haven't read the article yet( in fact I've not opened the magazine yet) but TIME came today. On the front the face of Donald Trump and the caption "Deal with it". I am hopeful that we will.
 
QuickSilver said:
http://thinkprogress.org/immigratio...nspired-brothers-beat-up-homeless-latino-man/



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I doubt that Trump really 'inspired' these two. One of them is a known & documented/arrested racist dating back to 2001 after beating up a Morrocan coffee shop worker after 9-11. These losers thought they could curry favor by invoking a popular person. If Elvis was in the news they probably would've used his name. Trump also cameout against the attacks.
 

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