Jimmy Carter dead aged 100

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He died at his home on Sunday afternoon, local time.

“My father was a hero, not only to me but to everyone who believes in peace, human rights, and unselfish love,” Mr Carter’s son, Chip Carter, said in a statement.

“My brothers, sister and I shared him with the rest of the world through these common beliefs. The world is our family because of the way he brought people together, and we thank you for honouring his memory by continuing to live these shared beliefs.”

R.I.P. Sweet man, your legacy will live on.

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I liked Jimmy Carter in all aspects of his life and careers.

Geezuz the man has passed on, are the negative comments really necessary?

For my part, I don’t give a flip because there is no one single U.S. President that didn’t manage to make someone unhappy. They can’t please everyone. He was a good honest, Christian man ——-

RIP President Carter.
 
Lewkat said:
He wasn't a savvy president at all. Smart man otherwise, but he was out of his element in the Oval Office.

He wanted peace and tried so hard to grasp it. Rest in peace, Jimmy.
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Did a little digging and came up with the following:
“beset by inflation, energy shortages, intraparty challenges and foreign crises……”

-None of those issues are necessarily his fault but signs of the times. I remember that the energy crisis affected Canada too at the time and caused our PM to take an unpopular decision that Albertan’s curse him for today, in spite of the fact that it was done for the good of the country. So you had energy shortages, we had energy shortages and probably most other countries had energy shortages

Inflation - he managed to tame the inflationary crisis that was in place when he took office, but unfortunately, that ‘taming’ also caused an uptick in unemployment and a recession.

Intraparty challenges - well nothing has changed there. It’s the same today and even worse.

Foreign crisis - he did manage to get a peace deal between Israel and Egypt

Gave the Panama Canal back to the country who’s land it is in.

Had to deal with the Iranian crisis when the Shah was overthrown, but was that his fault or the result of some other administrations decision to overthrow a government and place their own in that role, in the first place? And remembering how brutal I’ve heard the Shah was, it had to be expected that at some point, he would be taken out. Unfortunately for President Carter, it was during his administration. And is it reasonable to blame him for the failure to get the hostages out, or should that blame actually go to the people who worked out a failed plan?
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'‘Eizenstat wrote that Carter "was not a great president, but he was a good and productive one. He delivered results, many of which were realized only after he left office. He was a man of almost unyielding principle. ….he had become "renowned the world over as the epitome of the caring, compassionate, best sort of American statesman ... an exemplar of behavior for all national leaders (in retirement)."
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/29/432214948/carters-single-white-house-term-controversy
 
Debrah N. said:
Had to deal with the Iranian crisis when the Shah was overthrown, but was that his fault or the result of some other administrations decision to overthrow a government and place their own in that role, in the first place? And remembering how brutal I’ve heard the Shah was, it had to be expected that at some point, he would be taken out. Unfortunately for President Carter, it was during his administration. And is it reasonable to blame him for the failure to get the hostages out, or should that blame actually go to the people who worked out a failed plan?
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November 4, 1979 did Carter in. The hostages were in the US news constantly. James Michener--an ardent liberal who lived in the Middle East when the battle between progressives and Islamic fundamentalists was yet undecided--wrote in a 1980 Washington Post OP Ed:

In the election my wife and my secretary, both strong Democrats with the former an official of the party, felt that they could not vote for Jimmy Carter, so I knew that my side was doomed. They could not vote for him because he had shown no consistency, had given much evidence of being unable to cope with tangled problems and had surrounded himself with an extremely limited group of men from Georgia.​
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I was more generous in my assessment. I thought Carter had striven to do a good job, but when pressures increased he vacillated more than I liked. Having lived for some time in Iran and for a lot of time in Moslem nations, I knew from the moment the hostages were taken that this affair could not end well, and Carter's pusillanimous response did not help. Indeed, it seemed as if the administration contained no one with a knowledge of Islam or of traditional Islamic reactions to situations.​
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I supported Carter in his insistence on human liberty and believe that he accomplished much with his program, but as one who had lived abroad a good deal I had to confess that some of his actions in this field were naive. Certainly they were counterproductive. It is probably unwise to build foreign policy upon moral outrage; but is just as unwise to suppress moral outrage if the causes for it are odious. Carter did not pick his way adroitly through these conflicting truths.​
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I think Carter was a good man whose Christian values were forged in ending Jim Crow and he couldn't fathom the ideals and fervor of Islamic fundamentalism; because of this, he couldn't negotiate with them because they perceived him as weak.

(If you like historical fiction, Michener's Caravans based on his time in Afghanistan is prophetic and heartbreaking.)
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I felt he wasn't any great shakes as president, but Jimmy Carter was one heck of a good man! I was so sad to read he had died, but the last time I saw him on TV was at Rosalynn's funeral I wasn't sure he knew what was going on. Whatever pain he had is over, and the world will miss him.
 
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AnnieA said:
November 4, 1979 did Carter in. The hostages were in the US news constantly. James Michener--an ardent liberal who lived in Afghanistan when the battle between progressives and Islamic fundamentalists was yet undecided--wrote in a 1980 Washington Post OP Ed:

In the election my wife and my secretary, both strong Democrats with the former an official of the party, felt that they could not vote for Jimmy Carter, so I knew that my side was doomed. They could not vote for him because he had shown no consistency, had given much evidence of being unable to cope with tangled problems and had surrounded himself with an extremely limited group of men from Georgia.​
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I was more generous in my assessment. I thought Carter had striven to do a good job, but when pressures increased he vacillated more than I liked. Having lived for some time in Iran and for a lot of time in Moslem nations, I knew from the moment the hostages were taken that this affair could not end well, and Carter's pusillanimous response did not help. Indeed, it seemed as if the administration contained no one with a knowledge of Islam or of traditional Islamic reactions to situations.​
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I supported Carter in his insistence on human liberty and believe that he accomplished much with his program, but as one who had lived abroad a good deal I had to confess that some of his actions in this field were naive. Certainly they were counterproductive. It is probably unwise to build foreign policy upon moral outrage; but is just as unwise to suppress moral outrage if the causes for it are odious. Carter did not pick his way adroitly through these conflicting truths.​
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I think Carter was a good man whose Christian values were forged in ending Jim Crow and he couldn't fathom the ideals and fervor of Islamic fundamentalism; because of this, he couldn't negotiate with them because they perceived him as weak.

(If you like historical fiction, Michener's Caravans based on his time in Afghanistan is prophetic and heartbreaking.)
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Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing. One thing I've always noticed is how frequently, bad outcomes are laid on the guy at the top, even if he isn't the one who made the plans. I can't help but think that the military generals and intelligence agencies were the ones who formulated the botched rescue attempts and in their zeal to prove themselves, perhaps made 'empty' promises to gain approval to go ahead. And as is usual it went on to become a case of 'the buck stops at the top'.
 
The Carter administration got blamed for a lot of things that weren't his fault. High inflation began in the late '60s and peaked in 1980, but he gets blamed for it. The oil embargo of 1973 caused gas shortages and fueled inflation, but Carter gets blamed for it. And there was the Iranian hostage crisis, which he also gets blamed for.

Carter was just president during a difficult time and was ineffective at managing the problems, but he didn't cause them.
 
Imogene said:
Geezuz the man has passed on, are the negative comments really necessary?
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We're talkin' politics, so there's no need to be positive. This ain't the Butterflies are cute thread. It's supposed to get ugly. That's why we have politics.
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JustDave said:
We're talkin' politics, so there's no need to be positive. This ain't the Butterflies are cute thread. It's supposed to get ugly. That's why we have politics.
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No, this thread is NOT politics. It’s about a man’s passing.

I am sure you’re plenty old enough to have been told by your mother if you can’t say anything nice about a newly deceased person don’t say anything at all.

Start another thread if you’re that intent on ripping the man to shreds.

You picked the wrong female to go up against if that’s what you’re trying to do.
 
Imogene said:
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No, this thread is NOT politics. It’s about a man’s passing.

I am sure you’re plenty old enough to have been told by your mother if you can’t say anything nice about a newly deceased person don’t say anything at all.

Start another thread if you’re that intent on ripping the man to shreds.

You picked the wrong female to go up against if that’s what you’re trying to do.
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Good grief. I liked Carter. I think you're looking for a reason to beat on someone. I was being sarcastic mirroring the inappropriate behavior of others. Go beat on them. Politics are not allowed. You didn't start that, others did. I was just pointing it out.
 
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