Some parents trying to rationalize drug use legal or illegal.

[Axel Slingerland]

However smoking in another room or outside in the garden or similar while your children are home is not a risk to them.

If they don't see you, I agree that presents no danger. How could it? Unless they can smell it later, and in you were in another room they very likely would smell it (and breathe it) later.

But smelling smoke after the fact is nothing compared to them seeing you smoke. If they see you smoking at all, that tells them it's ok to smoke. Kids remember and rationalize things on their own. "Mom and Dad do it, it must be ok." Chances are when they get to be young adults, they will smoke too.

For example, my aunt smoked. In the house, in front of her kids. They had to breathe her second hand smoke. She found a pack of cigarettes and a book of matches in her son's room when he was 8 years old. She went ballistic. She said something to my Mom (who also smoked in the house, etc.) about it and to my Mom's credit, she said. "You taught him to do that." My aunt yelled at her "I did not!" My Mom told her "Yes, you did. We learned to smoke from our parents, our children learned to smoke from us."

That is what went through my mind when my son said to me "Are you having another cigarette, Daddy?" People always say "Children say the darnedest things." I always think "Yeah, specially when they think the darnedest things."

I'm trying to be on a high horse or any of that. It's just that as someone who started smoking when I was 10, smoked for 40 years and now have a bad case of COPD, I just care about smokers and kids that live with smokers. They should not be forced to make the choice of Smoke or Choke like I did.

 

[Twostep]

It might be a long wait. Some of them went to nursing homes when they became unable to care for their own basic needs.

Unfortunately you seem to have a point there. Those beds might be better used by those who did not cause their situation.that

 

[Mr. Ed]

The war on drugs was BS, once again big brother pulled the strings to strike fear into the minds of society. I am a fan of hallucinogenics, although I have not tripped in years, I would still participate if given the opportunity again. What does this post have to do about child safety? Nothing, I just had an uncontrollable urge to participate.

 

[KSav]

And does that includes caffeine, for which recent statistics show 94% of adults drink coffee, tea, caffeine beverages, or energy drinks? It is also an ingredient in many over the counter respiratory medical drugs. And then of course there are many over the counter drugs like benzodiazepines 12% of adults use and 10% that medicate with sleep aids. Plus wine, beer, and other alcohol beverages.

Benzodiazepines are a controlled substance and are actually not available over the counter, thank God.

 

[January]

I agree with C50, when you're in charge of a young child you should never be mentally impaired by weed or alcohol. Would you want your child's teacher or baby sitter to be drunk or stoned? It's not "on a high horse" to expect drivers and care givers to be sober.

drunk or stoned - no

Adult baby sitter having one or two beers on a hot afternoon or a glass of wine with dinner - OK

People doing that are still sober.

and of course I expect drivers t o be under the driving limit - nobody advocated otherwise.

There is dosage and context and degree.

 

[January]

But smelling smoke after the fact is nothing compared to them seeing you smoke. If they see you smoking at all, that tells them it's ok to smoke. Kids remember and rationalize things on their own. "Mom and Dad do it, it must be ok." Chances are when they get to be young adults, they will smoke too.

yes it is true that children of smokers are more likely to smoke themselves - however I still think, it is better to be open with your children and not hide smoking from them (that would set example of being sneaky and dishonest)
Smoke outside or away from them t o avoid passive smoking issues - but be honest about it and let them know it is addictive and how hard it is to stop etc.

 

[Twostep]

drunk or stoned - no

Adult baby sitter having one or two beers on a hot afternoon or a glass of wine with dinner - OK

People doing that are still sober.

and of course I expect drivers t o be under the driving limit - nobody advocated otherwise.

There is dosage and context and degree.

If a sitter cannot wait to drink until the job is done why should a cop, a pilot, a nurse?

 

[Twostep]

yes it is true that children of smokers are more likely to smoke themselves - however I still think, it is better to be open with your children and not hide smoking from them (that would set example of being sneaky and dishonest)
Smoke outside or away from them t o avoid passive smoking issues - but be honest about it and let them know it is addictive and how hard it is to stop etc.

It is hard to stop. Don't do it. Your parents are loosers?

 

[January]

If a sitter cannot wait to drink until the job is done why should a cop, a pilot, a nurse?

Sure, if that is a requirement of the job.

Question was would you mind - no I wouldn't mind in the dosage I described.

If other people would, then up to them to set conditions of employment for their baby sitters.

 

[January]

It is hard to stop. Don't do it. Your parents are loosers?

No, my parents didn't smoke nor do I. My comment was in general,not about myself.

Of course it is better not to start smoking, nobody disputes that. But parents are also human and have the same limitations and imperfections as everyone else.

Although I have never been a smoker I would not be so arrogant as to call other people losers just because they have different imperfections to me.

 

[Axel Slingerland]

yes it is true that children of smokers are more likely to smoke themselves - however I still think, it is better to be open with your children and not hide smoking from them (that would set example of being sneaky and dishonest)
Smoke outside or away from them t o avoid passive smoking issues - but be honest about it and let them know it is addictive and how hard it is to stop etc.

Of course, it's better. And back in those days I probably would have done exactly what you said. However, I now know that all that stuff about quitting smoking being harder than kicking a heroin habit is total BS. All you need to do is find a little motivation within yourself and to really (as in actually) want to do it and you can. You can do it in three days. Then it's all a matter of training your brain to stop thinking like a smoker.

I smoked three packs a day of menthol cigarettes for the better part of the 40 years that I smoked. I went to see my Doctor and she said she could hear the "beginning crackles of Emphysema" in my lungs, I asked her what that meant. She said if I kept smoking I would possibly have a full blown case of Emphysema in about 10 years. That was all the motivation I needed and since I had been thinking about trying to quit for awhile anyway, I did that same day.

I went home and thinking that all I would find is how to make a good cold turkey sandwich (because you know Google has a bad habit of picking whatever words you search for and ignores the rest of whatever you search for, even back in 2006), I did a Google search for "quit smoking cold turkey" and it turned up WhyQuit. With the information it has, and a serious intention to quit, I did. I just quit, and have never even had a single urge for a smoke after the first three days. And as I implied before, that was in 2006. That has been 19 years ago on February 10th.

But having been one, and like most smokers I absolutely hated it when people preached to me about smoking, I swore I would never do that. Then after I actually did quit, and having an attack of common sense, I tell everyone that IF they want help to quit, I would be happy to help. However, I do not push it on anyone. You have to ask me or bring it up in some way, like this thread. But no matter what you do, it's your decision. I'll offer advice based on what I know, however limited that may be, but pushing anything on anyone isn't my style.

As far as my participation in this thread goes, this is not advice. I'm just making conversation...

 

[Lilac]

The presence of cannabinoids in the system which could have been ingested legally only indicate past usage, not whether one is currently under the influence. In this case he was not charged w DUI one might presume that, in fact, he wasn't under the influence at the time of the accident.

He might have also had caffeine or sugar or a million other things in his system, but no one would conclude those things had anything to do w the crash so why presume the cannabinoids did other than fitting one's narrative.

In Ohio, being charged with Aggravated Vehicle Homicide means he was under the influence of a substance while he was driving causing the death of another. In this case he was under the influence of marijuana when he cause the death of the other driver.

Section 2903.06 | Aggravated vehicular homicide - vehicular homicide - vehicular manslaughter. ​

Link: Section 2903.06 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

(A) No person, while operating or participating in the operation of a motor vehicle, motorcycle, utility vehicle, mini-truck, snowmobile, locomotive, watercraft, or aircraft, shall cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another's pregnancy in any of the following ways:
(1)(a) As the proximate result of committing a violation of division (A) of section 4511.19 of the Revised Code or of a substantially equivalent municipal ordinance;
(b) As the proximate result of committing a violation of division (A) of section 1547.11 of the Revised Code or of a substantially equivalent municipal ordinance;

Section 1547.11 - Operation, control, or manipulation under influence of alcohol or drugs

Link: Section 1547.11 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

(A) No person shall operate or be in physical control of any vessel underway or shall manipulate any water skis, aquaplane, or similar device on the waters in this state if, at the time of the operation, control, or manipulation, any of the following applies:
(1) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a combination of them.
(2) The person has a concentration of eight-hundredths of one per cent or more by weight of alcohol per unit volume in the person's whole blood.
(3) The person has a concentration of ninety-six-thousandths of one per cent or more by weight per unit volume of alcohol in the person's blood serum or plasma.
(4) The person has a concentration of eleven-hundredths of one gram or more by weight of alcohol per one hundred milliliters of the person's urine.
(5) The person has a concentration of eight-hundredths of one gram or more by weight of alcohol per two hundred ten liters of the person's breath.
(6) Except as provided in division (H) of this section, the person has a concentration of any of the following controlled substances or metabolites of a controlled substance in the person's whole blood, blood serum or plasma, or urine that equals or exceeds any of the following:
(a) The person has a concentration of amphetamine in the person's urine of at least five hundred nanograms of amphetamine per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of amphetamine in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least one hundred nanograms of amphetamine per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.
(b) The person has a concentration of cocaine in the person's urine of at least one hundred fifty nanograms of cocaine per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of cocaine in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least fifty nanograms of cocaine per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.
(c) The person has a concentration of cocaine metabolite in the person's urine of at least one hundred fifty nanograms of cocaine metabolite per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of cocaine metabolite in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least fifty nanograms of cocaine metabolite per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.
(d) The person has a concentration of heroin in the person's urine of at least two thousand nanograms of heroin per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of heroin in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least fifty nanograms of heroin per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.
(e) The person has a concentration of heroin metabolite (6-monoacetyl morphine) in the person's urine of at least ten nanograms of heroin metabolite (6-monoacetyl morphine) per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of heroin metabolite (6-monoacetyl morphine) in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least ten nanograms of heroin metabolite (6-monoacetyl morphine) per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.
(f) The person has a concentration of L.S.D. in the person's urine of at least twenty-five nanograms of L.S.D. per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of L.S.D. in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least ten nanograms of L.S.D. per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.

(g) The person has a concentration of marihuana in the person's urine of at least ten nanograms of marihuana per milliliter of the person's urine or has a concentration of marihuana in the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma of at least two nanograms of marihuana per milliliter of the person's whole blood or blood serum or plasma.

 

[againstthegrain]

In Ohio, being over the legal limit for an intoxicant is not the SOLE reason one could be charged w aggravated vehicular homicide so it's a presumption that it was reason he was charged w AVH. Again if he was over the legal limit why wasn't that crime charged?

In Ohio, being charged with Aggravated Vehicle Homicide means he was under the influence of a substance while he was driving causing the death of another. In this case he was under the influence of marijuana when he cause the death of the other driver.

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[Lilac]

In Ohio, being over the legal limit for an intoxicant is not the SOLE reason one could be charged w aggravated vehicular homicide so it's a presumption that it was reason he was charged w AVH. Again if he was over the legal limit why wasn't that crime charged?

In this case, it is not a presumption as he did test positive for marijuana at the time of the accident & every article included that fact he had marijuana in his system.

This case didn't go to trial because the victim's family didn't want to have to live through the trial & said they wanted closure. It's not unusual for lower charges to be dropped & the more serious offenses are used for conviction & sentencing when pleading out making deals.

Very sad when people want to defend the use of marijuana when it has it has caused the death of an innocents instead of having the offender taking responsibility for what they have done.

 

[January]

Lilac, absolutely nobody was defending driving under the influence.

 

[VaughanJB]

I have tried alcohol. Other than that, I've never even tried Weed, and certainly nothing heavier.

From that, you might assume I'm anti-drug, and for much of my life that would be true. I have had close contact with someone badly into the Heroin scene.

All of that said, the war on drugs was won, and drugs were the victor. We can complain, moan, and proselytize as much as we want, but the fact remains, drugs have spread to all parts of our society.

There is much concern about drugs crossing the border, mainly from Mexico and China, but too few ask the really difficult question: Why do so many people want to take these drugs. After all, there is no market without users. More time and money needs to be invested in understanding why there are so many users and demand.

Prohibiting weed is a lost cause, and even at this point silly. That war was over some time ago. It should be legalized to a large extent.

Driving while intoxicated should be extended (if it isn't already) to punish those who take drugs and drive.

As society where people didn't feel a desire to take brain altering drugs would be ideal, but we're so far from that now that it's a dream and nothing more.

 

[Axel Slingerland]

I'm trying to be on a high horse or any of that. It's just that as someone who started smoking when I was 10, smoked for 40 years and now have a bad case of COPD, I just care about smokers and kids that live with smokers.

This a classic example of what I was talking about when I said I sometimes forget a word here and there, and sometimes it changes the meaning of a sentence, and it looks like I said the opposite of what I meant... So if I may, allow m to correct myself.

I'm not trying to be on a high horse or any of that.

Sorry about that. Senior moment.

 

[CallMeKate]

Sorry about that. Senior moment.

I've been doing that for decades... and often it's the very same thing you mentioned, Axel... forgetting the word "not." It's appalling when I see I've done it without catching it because like you said, it says the total opposite of what I wanted to say. And believe me, it's made me almost paranoid about proofreading an article a bajillion times since I'm a freelance writer and my publishers wouldn't be amused. @Axel Slingerland

 

[hollydolly]

This a classic example of what I was talking about when I said I sometimes forget a word here and there, and sometimes it changes the meaning of a sentence, and it looks like I said the opposite of what I meant... So if I may, allow m to correct myself.


Sorry about that. Senior moment.

Don't apologise, it's something that happens all the time here.. easily rectified once it's pointed out...

I'm the worst of the lot because my keyboard despite being realtively new, just misses letters all the time... it drives me nuts.. and I press send without proof reading half the time, and have to go back and edit...

 

[StarSong]

Even after proofreading I find errors in my posts.

 

[Jeni]

My parents were heavy smokers ... 3 of 4 kids followed the course ... i was the one who said nope.
I do not feel all kids follow a bad example..... maybe parents should teach kids to examine an issue on their own instead of follow the crowd attitude.
at an older age my mom went cold turkey after quad- bypass surgery.... my siblings still smoked even though they had illness from it starting.
drinking and other drug use are same type of thing .... many kids think it is OK or they will not get addicted or have issues like a parent but in the end it all ends similar or worse. if more kids were taught critical thinking skills they may say NO like i did ....
i imagined myself having to pay for a bad habit and chose to use that $$ in a better way... made that decision at about 10-12 yrs old. Because i had a grandparent that pointed out what a budget breaker bad habits were.

 

[StarSong]

but too few ask the really difficult question: Why do so many people want to take these drugs. After all, there is no market without users. More time and money needs to be invested in understanding why there are so many users and demand.

There's no mystery about why there's such a big market for mind/body altering substances. People use (legal and illegal) drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc., because they're pleasurable.

Animal studies clearly demonstrate that other species will imbibe when given the opportunity. Mice show preference for cocaine, for instance, over mating or food. Indeed, they'll literally starve to death rather than opting for food over coke.

 

[Pepper]

Why do so many people want to take these drugs. After all, there is no market without users. More time and money needs to be invested in understanding why there are so many users and demand.

BECAUSE
Life sucks and then you die.

 

[Twostep]

BECAUSE
Life sucks and then you die.

Life is what you make of it.

 

[Twostep]

There's no mystery about why there's such a big market for mind/body altering substances. People use (legal and illegal) drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc., because they're pleasurable.

Animal studies clearly demonstrate that other species will imbibe when given the opportunity. Mice show preference for cocaine, for instance, over mating or food. Indeed, they'll literally starve to death rather than opting for food over coke.

Do we need animal studies putting them through addiction to show what you can see on the streets of every metro?