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Maybe they want to choose who they sleep with? Pimps never go away!
 

January said:
Not really sure what point you are making here - I don't believe any system or any country is perfect - but I certainly dont think pure capitalism is the best option.

I am in favour of a degree of socialism.

Given no country is now pure capitalism or pure socialism, the question is only where on the spectrum is the right balance.
IMO places with universal health care, education, a reasonable welfare safety net are at the right balance. IMO that would not include USA.
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@January - Gruntlabor's point is that although the US is NOT perfect, we are a lesser evil in the world in comparison to so many other countries.

I could provide factual links from the Internet from credible sources to back up this point/perspective. But there are too many on this forum who will be triggered by a challenge to their belief system that they will resort to name calling or accusations. It is not worth my time.

You will find very few people in the US who are truly against a degree of socialism. Believe it or not, we ARE a very generous nation. I think the problem most people have when it comes to socialism is the fraud, abuse and people "gaming the system" of the social programs.

I will leave it at that because this thread had crossed over into the NO politics realm about 70 posts ago:)
 
UpstateGal said:
Gruntlabor's point is that although the US is NOT perfect, we are a lesser evil in the world in comparison to so many other countries.
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I didnt say people in the US are oppossed to any degree of socialism - in fact that was my point - that nowhere and almost nobody supports pure capitalism or pure socialism - views differs on where on the spectrum is the right balance not on which of the two extremes is the answer.

and IMO there are many countries who have the balance better than US
 

January said:
almost nobody supports pure capitalism or pure socialism
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Then why even bring it into the discussion?

It really just sounds like sour grapes. The US is turning to supporting its own people again. Extracting wealth and throwing the candy to the mobs to try to bribe them not to start WW III isn't sustainable. We can't afford it now that we have milked our own productive population all but dry trying to keep it going this long.

We'll see how long these socialist practices last once the beneficiaries have to fund them domestically.

There is already severe crumbling in Europe, where to keep their war going they are talking about taking the savings of their own citizens to fund it. With that the priority how long before a lot more gets defunded? But this has been coming for many years.
 
I worked in Russia and other Soviet Block countries for a US company. What you have to offer and who you know - everything was available.
Every other week I have a long chat with a friend who was a government employee in the DDR, is a US citizen and has a sense of bone dry humor. We go at it from curtains to Beef Wellington. How did you beat the system?
 
UpstateGal said:
@January - Gruntlabor's point is that although the US is NOT perfect, we are a lesser evil in the world in comparison to so many other countries.

I could provide factual links from the Internet from credible sources to back up this point/perspective. But there are too many on this forum who will be triggered by a challenge to their belief system that they will resort to name calling or accusations. It is not worth my time.

You will find very few people in the US who are truly against a degree of socialism. Believe it or not, we ARE a very generous nation. I think the problem most people have when it comes to socialism is the fraud, abuse and people "gaming the system" of the social programs.

I will leave it at that because this thread had crossed over into the NO politics realm about 70 posts ago:)
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:) It's like the old Arabian proverb about allowing the camel's nose in the tent, isn't it? As much as you like him, you can't allow it because you soon will have the rest of him, which is communism.
Capitalism is overweight today because of the corruption of government. We can recover good government with term limits and other means.
 
January said:
I partly agree with her. I don't think pure capitalism is the right answer either.

So I am in favour of a degree of socialism - universal health care and education, for example.
It isn't a false dichotomy of either extreme of capitalism or socialism - it is a matter of finding the right balance or position on the spectrum.

And yes she is 'enjoying the fruits of your great country' - that doesn't mean she can't express a view on what should be changed or what, in her opinion,would be changes for the better.
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Thank goodness you are in Australia.
 
gruntlabor said:
We can recover good government with term limits and other means.
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I think we need some new ideas.

We have term limits at the State level here. What it has led to is Legislators with limited power and forced to knuckle under to monied interests to get elected, and they've become "the hands" of unelected cabals.
 
dilettante said:
in Europe, where to keep their war going they are talking about taking the savings of their own citizens to fund it.
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The banks have that in place here. It's called 'Bailing In'. They call our accounts 'loans' and 'accounts payable'. They will use this ploy in the last throes of the downfall of the U.S.
Really, we're doomed.
 
In the USA the parking lots will hold 500 / 1000 cars, the stores hold the 2 per vehicle.
Most stand in line self-checking out. Sometimes most of the Self Checkouts closed.
Products gradually degrading due to Overhead, quality control, Import quotas and on
and on. Never will forget the absence of paper products in 2021 / 2022.

Fewer and fewer RR cars, more and more 18-wheelers sitting alongside the roads.
$7 Diesel fuel prices due to legislation. Capitalism has failed, American workers
don't care about who they are working for, and it's not socialism that's causing it.
Causing it? Thas the Joke!

Pinheads making crazy ideas into facts! Most haven't a clue how to do business!
Listening to other pinheads ideas is what's happening. Borrowed digital monies ?

My friends 18 wheeler tractor near 190,000 miles a year, is down now getting its yearly
couple of weeks exhausting, overhauls, brakes, Dual Axle trail Bushings, tires, motor,
Aux AC system, Lights wiring, etc.
 
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Used to be 2-300 head of feeder pigs running around a cement poor, eating and crapping, following 40 or so
feeder steers crapping and hogs cleaning up. Now its all in a building with a wet sewer system, spraying the filth
out on the farmlands and stinking up the whole area every week. The hogs slaughter at around 200 lbs and the steers
around 1000 lbs, tough and chewy too. Life is good, unless you swallow the wads. I remember completely changing
my driving routs to avoid the stinking Counties of Iowa. Gag, Choke, loss of Appetite, hate of the neighbors too.
They named it stirring the shit pond!

The owners ? Caretakers living up wind of the mess.
 
dilettante said:
Then why even bring it into the discussion?

It really just sounds like sour grapes. The US is turning to supporting its own people again. Extracting wealth and throwing the candy to the mobs to try to bribe them not to start WW III isn't sustainable. We can't afford it now that we have milked our own productive population all but dry trying to keep it going this long.

We'll see how long these socialist practices last once the beneficiaries have to fund them domestically.

There is already severe crumbling in Europe, where to keep their war going they are talking about taking the savings of their own citizens to fund it. With that the priority how long before a lot more gets defunded? But this has been coming for many years.
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Sour grapes about what??? o_O

the whole discussion has been about socialism - from the beginning where OP's neice spoke about it, Ididnt bring it in. 😵‍💫
 
rwb said:
I certainly do NOT AGREE that MOST people in the US agree with a little socialism!!
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so are you saying most people in US agree with pure capitalism?? They don't want any government schools or roadworks or vaccination programs, for example?

because unless they do, then they agree with a degree of socialism

How much of a degree might vary - but almost nobody agrees with either pure extreme.
 
dilettante said:
Then why even bring it into the discussion?

It really just sounds like sour grapes. The US is turning to supporting its own people again. Extracting wealth and throwing the candy to the mobs to try to bribe them not to start WW III isn't sustainable. We can't afford it now that we have milked our own productive population all but dry trying to keep it going this long.

We'll see how long these socialist practices last once the beneficiaries have to fund them domestically.

There is already severe crumbling in Europe, where to keep their war going they are talking about taking the savings of their own citizens to fund it. With that the priority how long before a lot more gets defunded? But this has been coming for many years.
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There is no such thing as Europe and they.
 
January said:
so are you saying most people in US agree with pure capitalism?? They don't want any government schools or roadworks or vaccination programs, for example?

because unless they do, then they agree with a degree of socialism

How much of a degree might vary - but almost nobody agrees with either pure extreme.
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May I ask, January, in what way do you consider yourself a balanced socialist-capitalist?
Is it because you have currency in your pocket? If so, I would reply that you hope soon to rid yourself of filthy lucre and replace it with Universal Income and a digital economy.
 
Gardenlover said:
I recently had two guests, a niece and her friend. Things were going well for the most part, although they kept putting in little digs on how males were accountable for everything that is wrong in the world. Two nights ago it came to a head when the friend started raging on America and capitalism. She's enjoying all the fruits of our great country, yet she feels socialism is the answer. Everyone should be equal, regardless if they attempt to pull their own weight or not. The government should pay for everything from healthcare, education, housing, and good paying jobs.

Now, I'm a live and let live kind of guy, but she had me blowing a gasket. She had no answers, only complaints. I truly fear for the state of what is to come with this mindset that seems to be growing.

I spoke with my son and he said misandrist is rampant and that he refuses to date anyone with this prejudice.
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Women's lib, "wokeism", careers-not-kids, why get married?, and the like has grown into something that is..... ugly. It ain't enough for these young women to stay single; they want marriage to fall by the wayside. It's ain't enough for women to have equal rights; they want women to rule. The younger generations seem to want everyone to hate men like many of them do. (I rather like my man, his masculinity and head of the household role :D )
 
gruntlabor said:
May I ask, January, in what way do you consider yourself a balanced socialist-capitalist?
Is it because you have currency in your pocket? If so, I would reply that you hope soon to rid yourself of filthy lucre and replace it with Universal Income and a digital economy.
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I'm sure we all consider that our view on where the balance should be is the right one.

Not sure how rest of your post relates to this - I do not hope to replace present system with universal income nor did anything I posted imply that.
Whether we use digital currency or cash doesn't change this.
 
I won't bore the OP and others with a long story but. I have a 64 yr/old friend that feels the same/preaches the same. Every thing she dislikes about her life is someone else's fault , never hers.

Short example; After her two years in collage taking women's studies and computer basics . She thought she could join the Air Force and fly jets.
But said [her words] Noooo, some stupid peenis stood in her way and she could not. [yes i cleaned that up]And it just goes on from there, and has for all the years I have known her.
 
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rgp said:
I won't bore the OP and others with a long story but. I have a 64 yr/old friend that feels the same/preaches the same. Every thing she dislikes about her life is someone else fault , never hers.
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I wonder if it was her raisin' that turned her that way. That sort of attitude can be a generational thing.
 
Who_so_ever said:
. The younger generations seem to want everyone to hate men like many of them do
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Rather a sweeping generalisation there.

I don't see younger generations hating men nor wanting others to do so.

No doubt there a few extremists, as there are in any generation ( ETA like 64 year old mentioned above) - but I certainly dont think that is a 'many of them' thing. Any more than 1 64 year old represents many of our age group.
 

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