Is there an ongoing battle between good and evil forces?

In the 1500s, Christians put to death "witches" for their witchcraft. Those Christians believed they were doing "good" by ridding the world of witches, and by their deaths, witches could enter heaven. Yet, if you were accused of witchcraft, that would not be considered "good". An act between people is a fact, like the burning of witches, it's neither "good" nor "evil". It's just "is". People have to determine what's "good" or "evil". There really is no "good' or "evil", but peoples' value judgements.

No god does exist, not only the Christian god. People have a moral compass, they don't need any religion to tell them what is wrong. Even the other animals like deer don't fight until one of the opponents is dead.
In the US, in 2023 there were almost 20 thousand murders, and over 400,000 rapes. I would call every single one of those events "evil" and clearly demonstrate that many, many folks are totally lacking in any form of a "moral compass". And while the deer may not (or may) fight to the finish, the wolves and coyotes kill the deer for food, and in the sea, the big fish eat the small fish. That's Mother Nature.

So if these posts are the basis of your denial of God, I'd say you need to come up with something better.
 

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Absolutely. Here's proof someone recently captured with their iPhone...

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No god does exist, not only the Christian god. People have a moral compass, they don't need any religion to tell them what is wrong. Even the other animals like deer don't fight until one of the opponents is de
 
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Evil Spirits are real. But they have no desire to attack the unbelievers so unbelievers think they don't exist. Evil Spirits only focus their spiritual attacks on the believers...of course. Believers are the ones the Evil Spirits want to take down, hoping to weaken them, hoping that they will think God has abandoned them. Hoping to win them over. Causing them to question. And using every Evil trick in their book.

God will allow this test of the believer's faith for a time but He will rescue the steadfast believers in His perfect time. He makes all things beautiful in His time. He is teaching the believers and showing them His way. How do I know? It's personal.
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I think there is ongoing battle to keep us from resorting to our base instincts. These are most commonly defined as being ego, lust, greed, and anger. We live in a community, and increasingly over the decades that community has grown larger. Yet selfishness and other human traits have come to divide us. And, it's pretty much innate in all of us.
what is "karma" ? what exactly is it?
No god does exist, not only the Christian god. People have a moral compass, they don't need any religion to tell them what is wrong. Even the other animals like deer don't fight until one of the opponents is dead.
you wouldn't know what was wrong unless it was told to you. Who told you what was wrong and why do you believe it?
 
No god does exist, not only the Christian god. People have a moral compass, they don't need any religion to tell them what is wrong. Even the other animals like deer don't fight until one of the opponents is dead.
where does the moral compass come from? I can point a magnetic compass and find true north but where does the moral compass come from??????????? please explain
 
Last time my "evil" visited there was a pot with water and quarters next to the front door. My response to the "what is this about?" - "better be safe, pennies may not do the job". It was an uneventful and pleasant dinner.
 
I would like to know where you got this moral compass. Who determined the morals in this compass?
Sin, without being defined is not sin. So where do you get your direction?
Rather a puzzle.
 
I think there is ongoing battle to keep us from resorting to our base instincts. These are most commonly defined as being ego, lust, greed, and anger. We live in a community, and increasingly over the decades that community has grown larger. Yet selfishness and other human traits have come to divide us. And, it's pretty much innate in all of us.
So which way do you go? Do what is right?? what is right?
Do what you want without regard for anyone else. So why the guilt, after??
Yeah, ego, lust, greed and anger. Your absolutely right...................yet you can't sleep at night. You can't forget and you can't make it go away. Where does that come from???
 
I think that "good" and "evil" are human constructs, and they vary widely.
If one believes in the existence of a higher power whose will is carried out, then in that form good and evil do not exist as distinctions.
 
where do you get your basic values from? those both Good and bad? What's good? what's bad. ?????????
Stealing is fine, killing is fine. No God, no commandments. Do as you please. Yet you sense some values. Some rights, some wrongs. Where does that come from?
Good and evil are human constructs?????????? Why, as a human would I even consider good and bad????????? Human constructs??????? Your born, you don't know a damn thing. Your parents raise you, love you, instill upon you how to behave, how to deal with others. Where did they get their understanding from???????
Think about it.
Human constructs....................BS
You didn't know a thing until your parents told you. you didn't know right from wrong until they told you. Now you know?
Think about it.
 
my parents went to church regularly I am told and met there - and got married there and then apart from the christenings never went again but insisted that us kids did - I worked out in my evil little mind it was just to get us out of the house and give them some quiet time. I got married in church as did my bro and sis - but I was the only one who continued and at one point became a lay-preacher myself

Ps: this could turn into a fascinating long term discussion/exploration so no need to rush it - the question I think to start with is "where did God /Gods / and religious practices all start from at the beginning of human evolution - otherwise we are just guessing atm?
 
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I have harmed people with intent, I knew what I was doing at the time so I have no excuse but to own up to my actions. I regret the harm I caused yet it was surprisingly easy at the time. Would I do it again? I hope not, but I cannot dismiss it all together because it is a part of the whole me. It doesn't matter how much a person may change because you will always be the person you were.
The struggle between good and evil is not really a struggle at all, it is what we choose to do.
People think of evil as a force that tempts them to behave badly without being accountable for their actions. Whatever you choose in life is on you so stop praying to do better and just do it.
 
Did the devil tempt Jesus or did Jesus have a moment of vulnerability that caused him to question his character?
If you follow christian tradition you probably believe the devil was/is an actual being that tempted Christ? At that time, Jesus was on his own without god's help so the story goes. Jesus using freewill chose not to succumb to temptation and rid himself from temptation.

I believe the story is a metaphor for anyone in possession of freewill and the characteristics of goodness portrayed by Jesus. This is something I have and practice everyday. Most people seek this way of life through religion and religious practices to no avail. Some reach a place of understanding through rigorous studies and meditation, While others like myself stumble upon it while learning to cope with trauma and mental illness. It doesn't matter how you get here because once you are here you are here for good, not that you want to leave. The more you learn the more you know infinity.
 
I see good and evil around me everyday? - they are played out in all societies on earth to either lesser or larger views. Humans appear to have the propensity to be good and honest and non- cheating or greedy or the opposite. Just open up you news and you'll always find it. Now whether this is merely a biological artifact of human development or spiritual dimension is up for discussion - but whatever we discuss - it is still there everyday of our lives and seems to certainly be more prominent in city dwellers [some not all] than country ones? Sounds like a good result story and change Mr Ed - enjoy your future developments with the good spirits!!!
 
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I think that "good" and "evil" are human constructs, and they vary widely.
If one believes in the existence of a higher power whose will is carried out, then in that form good and evil do not exist as distinctions.
What is good? What is evil? Who or what determines??
Where does good and evil come from? Rob my neighbor, steal from his house. So what??? Not bad, not good, just wanted what he had and I wanted.
No good, no evil.
Make any sense?
 
I have harmed people with intent, I knew what I was doing at the time so I have no excuse but to own up to my actions. I regret the harm I caused yet it was surprisingly easy at the time. Would I do it again? I hope not, but I cannot dismiss it all together because it is a part of the whole me. It doesn't matter how much a person may change because you will always be the person you were.
The struggle between good and evil is not really a struggle at all, it is what we choose to do.
People think of evil as a force that tempts them to behave badly without being accountable for their actions. Whatever you choose in life is on you so stop praying to do better and just do it.
ahhh but the guilt after you do something you know is wrong. Where does it come from? just a quetion
 
prisons are over-crowded around the world almost ; drugs are big time for some ; and yet I would hazard a guess that 75% of the worlds popn are reasonably honest and kind and helpful? but what is it that can swing us from one side to the other and turn us into a totally different person? Is it the bible ; Hindhu scriptures ; buddhists tomes ; wise sages of old etc etc - were does this apparent innate sense of wrong and right good and evil come from? we all struggle with it ; deal with it or ignore each day?
 
Here's the thing. All people, all people are a combination of good and bad.
According to Gods word we are all sinners regardless of our good things. If you don't believe in God than ignore the previous sentence.
Yet you deal with this value system. Where did it come from? Your parents, society in general??? where? Why does it continue to effect how you act, what you do?

Some statements from Gods word:

James 4:17 ESV /​

So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Isaiah 5:20 ESV /​

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Proverbs 14:12 ESV /​

There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.

John 3:19-21 ESV /​

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

Mark 7:20-23 ESV /​

And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Romans 7:15-22 ESV /​

For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. ...

If you don't believe in a higher power then all these things are rubbish. If you can't explain how you feel, can't find an answer, then try looking into that which you don't believe.
Nothing to lose.
No one, least me, is going to try and convince you. I believe in God, obviously.
He is the origin of us. He created us. He knew what he was doing. We have only to acknowledge that and then move forward.
Otherwise your quest for answers will go on until you die.
Just my opinion.
 
try the book of Job he deals with it very eloquently - one of Gods little saturday afternoons dissertations perhaps?
 


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