And so...the "recession" begins

i agree , this situation isn’t sustainable, but my thing is it should never have happened in the first place .

the global economies were fine as it was and american manufacturers were seeing record profits over seas
I don’t disagree.

A little quiet tweaking could have accomplished a great deal.

The constant ‘in your face’ chaos is very difficult to deal with.

It reminds me of this old quote.

“If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made.”
- Otto von Bismarck

America and the world have had a front row seat in the slaughterhouse.
 

i agree , this situation isn’t sustainable, but my thing is it should never have happened in the first place .

the global economies were fine as it was and american manufacturers were seeing record profits over seas
I have wondered if the motive behind this tariff business was even economics to begin with. In the back of my mind, I speculated that it may be nothing more than a power play to bolster someone's ego. It sounded a little too far out to announce that in public. But when something makes no sense, it leaves room for all kinds of explanations that make no sense.
 
I have wondered if the motive behind this tariff business was even economics to begin with. In the back of my mind, I speculated that it may be nothing more than a power play to bolster someone's ego. It sounded a little too far out to announce that in public. But when something makes no sense, it leaves room for all kinds of explanations that make no sense.
i don’t want to get in to politics here , and it really is impossible to discuss investing and economics right now without involving poor political decisions so i will have to refrain from what i really want to say because of forum rules
 

I like what Buffet said just a few weeks ago, "China needs the U.S. more than the U.S. needs China." I believe that for the most part, Warren is straight on.
"while there are reports circulating that claim Warren Buffett said "China needs us more than we need them," Berkshire Hathaway has issued a press release denying these statements. The company stated that all reports of such comments being made by Buffett are false.

Yahoo Finance reported that CNBC reporter Becky Quick stated that Buffett said any quotes circulating on social media about the current economic situation that are purportedly from him are not authentic. Buffett also stated that he is not speaking to anyone about the markets, economy, or tariffs between now and the annual Berkshire Hathaway meeting."
 
I think what American needs to focus on is moving manufacture of essential items for infrastructure and commerce back to the US, if possible. For example manufacture our own auto components or at the very least find a variety of sources. Keep steel production in the US. And energy, especially renewable types.

Let China make all the cheap toys and other trinkets. If we can do without it, let someone else produce it.
 
"while there are reports circulating that claim Warren Buffett said "China needs us more than we need them," Berkshire Hathaway has issued a press release denying these statements. The company stated that all reports of such comments being made by Buffett are false.

Yahoo Finance reported that CNBC reporter Becky Quick stated that Buffett said any quotes circulating on social media about the current economic situation that are purportedly from him are not authentic. Buffett also stated that he is not speaking to anyone about the markets, economy, or tariffs between now and the annual Berkshire Hathaway meeting."
Welcome to the internet, the only source of reliable information.;)
 
You can only make products here if you can compete against those who don’t

We used to manufacture our industrial water pumps here where we worked

Our competitors were not and eventually we couldn’t win a bid no how

We got a state of the art Cnc factory in china to make the pump castings

We assembled them , engineered them and quality controlled them right here in Long Island

If it wasn’t for outsourcing 320 people here wouldn’t have jobs today

So far the old tariffs added 40 dollars to the cost and we charge our customers 45 more

The only one who loses are our American consumers who are forced to pay the tariffs , no one else is paying them
 
I am not puzzled at all, dilettante. Communists will always rush to defend and promote Communism.
But I am very saddened.
A sweeping assumption.

Yes, China has a Communist form of government but seeking to trade with China does not make someone a Communist. Capitalists have been quick to take advantage of the opportunities that they saw when China joined the rest of the world to trade their goods. When it comes to international trade, I don't see them being much different to South Korea.

Just bigger.
 
I think what American needs to focus on is moving manufacture of essential items for infrastructure and commerce back to the US, if possible. For example manufacture our own auto components or at the very least find a variety of sources. Keep steel production in the US. And energy, especially renewable types.

Let China make all the cheap toys and other trinkets. If we can do without it, let someone else produce it.
Ok. So the federal government will go into great details to pick which product should get tariffs.
 
China is tremendously dependent on the US market to sustain its current system. No other comes close, and that's exactly why they are in such a panic. They just can't afford to lose 1/5 or more of their export markets.

I'm puzzled at the rush to defend and promote Communism here.
China is not in a panic precisely because they are a communistic regime. The population will not rise up against the regime for fear of brutal suppression. Remember Tiananmen Square? Tanks were sent to roll over protesters.

They can afford to lose 1/5 or more of their exports and still keep going. In reality, they are probably now resetting their industrial base to deal with other countries besides US.

What does US export to China that they cannot afford to do without?

Alternately, what does US import from China that the US manufacturers cannot do without, even if the tariff on the desirable products is more than 100%.

Will the world end if tariffs end up diminishing the amount of cheap plastic goods entering the US from China? I very much doubt it but it will cause some US businesses to close and some people to lose their jobs.

China can afford to be patient.

By the way, I am a realist***, not a communist.




*** but not when I'm being Pollyanna.
 
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The "tariffs" go into effect today, and we will All feel the effects in coming weeks/months. Actually, the US is being "ripped off" by other nations tariffs which are quite high. Most estimates say that the average household will be paying at least $4,000 a year more for goods than we currently pay. Here is a chart that shows how much the US is currently paying in other nations, compared to what we will be charging them.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/02/trump-reciprocal-tariffs-countries-chart-imports-united-states.html

If this global economic battle continues for any extended length of time, we may be in a real financial mess.
Actually, with a $36 trillion dollar debt, I believe we are already in a real financial mess.
 
I have wondered if the motive behind this tariff business was even economics to begin with. In the back of my mind, I speculated that it may be nothing more than a power play to bolster someone's ego. It sounded a little too far out to announce that in public. But when something makes no sense, it leaves room for all kinds of explanations that make no sense.

It seems to me that the implementation of global tariffs was never about just one thing. The conversations and public announcements on tariffs move so fast that it's difficult to keep up, and because of that we forget things along the way. It seems that global tariffs were introduced as a panacea for every perceived ill facing America.

Initially, it was about national security concerns and drug trafficking, illegal immigration & fentanyl -- pressurising neighbours to do something about it. Then as a tool to rebalance trade -- to pay for the trade deficit, which in effect initially comes out of the pockets of the consumer. Then as an import tax on its own companies that have set up in foreign countries, to make importing from their own factories in those countries financially unviable. To force them, at great cost, to bring manufacturing back to the US.

Then to use the tariffs to make Americas existing international supply chains unviable, in order to encourage domestic supply chains to be set up within the US only, again at great cost. Who ultimately pays for all of this if not the American consumer?

Then in the middle of all this, inform Canada on many occasions, that it could avoid these tariffs if it became the 51st State. Mentioned at a World Economic Forum in January, and mentioned several times since. These same tactics backfired in 1890s -- the McKinley Tariff. This, 130 years ago, only went to strengthen Canadian nationalism, and caused Canada to find markets elsewhere.

Then we have the tariffs implemented by the US because they do not like the European VAT system, which in effect is a European sales tax on all goods, including Europeans own domestically manufactured goods.

In a weeks time I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes up with another reason for the US global tariffs. When there are so many evolving reasons given for the tariffs, can we be sure that they will just fizzle out to something less significant, as someone here put it?

In the meantime, all this and more risks a significant recession, Both within the US and globally.
 
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One gets the impression sometimes that Usa is stretching itself too thinly which affects its own internal qualities of life - has it become the democratic watchdog of the world?
 
It seems to me that the implementation of global tariffs was never about just one thing.

In a weeks time I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes up with another reason for the US global tariffs. When there are so many evolving reasons given for the tariffs, can we be sure that they will just fizzle out to something less significant, as someone here put it?
I noticed this tactic before when the government gets an idea. It's starts floating trial balloons, and the ones that stick become part of what seems like a grand plan.
 
"while there are reports circulating that claim Warren Buffett said "China needs us more than we need them," Berkshire Hathaway has issued a press release denying these statements. The company stated that all reports of such comments being made by Buffett are false.

Yahoo Finance reported that CNBC reporter Becky Quick stated that Buffett said any quotes circulating on social media about the current economic situation that are purportedly from him are not authentic. Buffett also stated that he is not speaking to anyone about the markets, economy, or tariffs between now and the annual Berkshire Hathaway meeting."
He made the comment on CNBC about three weeks ago.
 
Sure looks like things are working out. Within 2 to 3 years a lot of jobs could be repatriated or simply moved into this market.

Honda's REACTION TO TARIFFS. Moving EVERYTHING to USA?!

The parts supply chain might take more time. But that's just automobile products. Power sports and other small-engine device production may be moved here as well, I just haven't seen any industry coverage yet.
 
when we see it we will believe it .

we will likely lose more jobs from lost sales over seas because of crazy tariffs then we gain here.

as well as higher prices for everything , after a company dumps billions here .

we americans will feel the brunt of this all
 


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