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OldOld said:
I am a christian but I don't think non-believers will all go to hell. I have many kind people in my lifewho are not Christians. I don't think they will go to hell.
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It probably depends a lot on which Christian sect you are in. I don't recall that claim being defended as a truth in my Lutheran Church. There may have been a part of Lutheran doctrine that spoke to the issue, but I don't remember being beaten over the head with it. My grandmother was a Baptist, and she beat me over the head with it. Drove it home to me as soon as I was old enough to have a rudimentary conversation. And she had a detailed knowledge of Hell that would make any prophet seem like a lightweight.
 
Who_so_ever said:
The Bible says it. Not a particular denomination. And it isn't as if I like it any better than unbelievers.
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No, what it is varies from denomination to another, just as it does from one Christian to another. The description in the Bible isn't even as frightening as some Christians would have it.
 
Going to church is not a requirement for salvation. Our Pastor has never stated that Christians who do not go to church would go to hell.
There were no churches here on earth during Jesus’ time. Churches that had buildings and such began appearing after the resurrection.

We had a beautiful church service on Easter Sunday. The altar with the choir singing was a sight to be remembered.
 
oldman said:
Going to church is not a requirement for salvation. Our Pastor has never stated that Christians who do not go to church would go to hell.
There were no churches here on earth during Jesus’ time. Churches that had buildings and such began appearing after the resurrection.

We had a beautiful church service on Easter Sunday. The altar with the choir singing was a sight to be remembered.
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Church has nothing to do with salvation. Correct. :)
 
Who_so_ever said:
Hmm. Wonder why atheists are always asking me to prove there IS a God.
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Well...cause you say he exists.

They very notion that there is no evidence that something exist-nothing at all, not even a little scrap of evidence whatsoever-and you want someone to prove that it doesn't exist, says a lot.

Faith is not proof of something. I like others grew up in religion, and had belief of something higher than myself, but...when logic dictates you step back and look at something with an open mind, you begin to see that blind faith is not logical.

As just dave says, it's not up to us to prove he doesn't exist.
 
There is an organizational Church of Christ today all over the globe - I have attended one. There once in our neighborhood used to be Churches of God ; they faded away ; petros the small rock and petra the large rock were spoken of in the bible apparently describing the beginnings of the christian church way back in antiquity in the Middle East. Here it is read and digest it make wholesome reading!:

The Church of Christ discussed? only a small discussion but very wholesome?
 
Tazx said:
Well...cause you say he exists.

They very notion that there is no evidence that something exist-nothing at all, not even a little scrap of evidence whatsoever-and you want someone to prove that it doesn't exist, says a lot.

Faith is not proof of something. I like others grew up in religion, and had belief of something higher than myself, but...when logic dictates you step back and look at something with an open mind, you begin to see that blind faith is not logical.

As just dave says, it's not up to us to prove he doesn't exist.
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Blind faith isn't logical. A lot of godly things aren't logical, because we aren't God. Simple.
 
strong believers in god reinforce their beliefs with religious tasks such as prayer, biblical readings, sermons, religious activities and the people they hang with.
With these types of reinforcement and repetitious activities it is no wonder that believers are reluctant to challenge their beliefs.
 
Mr. Ed said:
strong believers in god reinforce their beliefs with religious tasks such as prayer, biblical readings, sermons, religious activities and the people they hang with.
With these types of reinforcement and repetitious activities it is no wonder that believers are reluctant to challenge their beliefs.
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NO you're not viewing it right - all the things they are doing is because of their belief in God NOT to keep re-inforcing it - their belief comes first ; then their daily/weekly practices whatever they may be. they can still believe in God and forget the tasks [like holiday times] but the belief stays permanently.
 
God should be capitalized in references to the deity of all monotheistic religions. The lowercase "god" is generally used only in reference to gods and goddesses of polytheistic religions. So, when referring to the "God" in the Christian belief, it should always capitalized. It is a proper noun (a name) not a designation. Insistence upon writing it lowercase when clearly referring to the proper noun is improper, or petty ad-hominem. It is neither right nor wrong to capitalize or not capitalize pronouns that refer to God. That is a matter of personal conviction, preference, and context.
 
Who_so_ever said:
And it isn't up to me to prove He does. Every person will find that out for themselves upon death, if not before.
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The reason I liked your post is because that right there, that condescending attitude that is shown...'you'll find out upon death', is insinuating that we all atheists will find out there is a God.
So many religious individuals talk down to those that question religion in such a holier than thou attitude.

Religion was created for 3 reasons...1) To control the masses (crusades, heretics, witch hunts, Royal control, etc) to control those that questioned or did not obey the king and by that also questioning the church. 2) To answer the unanswerable question. Where did we come from? How was all this created? 3) For the church to get rich. Back in the earliest of days the churches always had free land given by the king or queen, free reign to preach whatever, free labor, crosses made of gold, jewels for stones, in many cases forced tithing, and that carries on to this day. That's not what Jesus preached. He did not preach gold, silver, precious jewels, or cathedrals that are wondrous.

Why is the Church, Re Vatican and its world wide reach in most every country, the richest tax exempt corp on the planet?

Funny, as I mentioned I was raised Christian for many years. I never understood the teachings of the Bible as they never did make sense to me.
Why do you need to be told to be good? If I am not, being told there is a God who will judge me and if I am not worthy, send me to Hell...seems like a threat, not a teaching.
First...does he have an agreement with the devil? Like a trade deal? Lol.
Why if you confess your sins, all is forgiven and you can go to heaven. So a serial mass murderer can confess, express his regret and ask for forgiveness and its' ok? Too simple.

Jesus never had a church. He never asked for anything. No money, no gifts, no praise required. He was a carpenter. So the teachings say. But I wonder why there is no mention of his first 30 years of life in any teachings? Was he just hiding out? Was he not known at all?
And of the immaculate conception...Hmmm, that perplexes me.

Now, in other thoughts...there is quite a bit of evidence (true or not) of the Annunaki creating man. Gods, plural creating mankind. There is also a lot of scrolls, and tablets...Sumerian, Egyptian, Cambodian, Peruvian etc, and many others showing carvings/paintings/writings of alien peoples, flying saucers, gods from the sky and so on.

Why do we discount that? More evidence of that than God or Jesus.

Sorry if I went on...
 
MACKTEXAS said:
God should be capitalized in references to the deity of all monotheistic religions. The lowercase "god" is generally used only in reference to gods and goddesses of polytheistic religions. So, when referring to the "God" in the Christian belief, it should always capitalized. It is a proper noun (a name) not a designation. Insistence upon writing it lowercase when clearly referring to the proper noun is improper, or petty ad-hominem. It is neither right nor wrong to capitalize or not capitalize pronouns that refer to God. That is a matter of personal conviction, preference, and context.
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So there you dismiss other religions and also refer to God as a person. Once again giving a name to person or deity that there is no proof of is not logical. No different that invisible childhood friends!
 
Tazx said:
So there you dismiss other religions and also refer to God as a person. Once again giving a name to person or deity that there is no proof of is not logical. No different that invisible childhood friends!
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I dismissed nothing, nor did I give a name to any person or deity, nor make any determination as to proof or logic. I simply cited proper rules of grammar and correct spelling.
 
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Tazx said:
The reason I liked your post is because that right there, that condescending attitude that is shown...'you'll find out upon death', is insinuating that we all atheists will find out there is a God.
So many religious individuals talk down to those that question religion in such a holier than thou attitude.
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Well, I for one was not talking down to anyone. It is a truth and I simply stated it. I don't think I am holier than thou.
Tazx said:
Religion was created for 3 reasons...1) To control the masses (crusades, heretics, witch hunts, Royal control, etc) to control those that questioned or did not obey the king and by that also questioning the church. 2) To answer the unanswerable question. Where did we come from? How was all this created? 3) For the church to get rich. Back in the earliest of days the churches always had free land given by the king or queen, free reign to preach whatever, free labor, crosses made of gold, jewels for stones, in many cases forced tithing, and that carries on to this day. That's not what Jesus preached. He did not preach gold, silver, precious jewels, or cathedrals that are wondrous.

Why is the Church, Re Vatican and its world wide reach in most every country, the richest tax exempt corp on the planet?
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Catholicism..... no comment.
Tazx said:
Funny, as I mentioned I was raised Christian for many years. I never understood the teachings of the Bible as they never did make sense to me.
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That happens when a person doesn't open their heart to God fully. I didn't understand a lot of stuff. Much that I still don't.
Tazx said:
Why do you need to be told to be good? If I am not, being told there is a God who will judge me and if I am not worthy, send me to Hell...seems like a threat, not a teaching.
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And you said you were brought up Christian? First, God doesn't judge if we are "worthy" or not. We all sin, we aren't worthy. That's why Jesus had to come and make the ultimate sacrifice for us. Two, God doesn't send anyone to hell. We are all headed there. God saves us, if we ask.
Tazx said:
Jesus never had a church.
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He and His followers were/are the church. Do you mean building?
Tazx said:
He never asked for anything. No money, no gifts, no praise required.
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He didn't need anything. He was God in human form.
Tazx said:
He was a carpenter. So the teachings say. But I wonder why there is no mention of his first 30 years of life in any teachings? Was he just hiding out? Was he not known at all?
And of the immaculate conception...Hmmm, that perplexes me.
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What is it you need to know of the first 30 years? He was preparing Himself to do the job He was sent to do.
Of course immaculate conception perplexes you. So should the beginning of the earth, if you're not Christian.
 
Who_so_ever said:
Well, I for one was not talking down to anyone. It is a truth and I simply stated it. I don't think I am holier than thou.

Catholicism..... no comment.

That happens when a person doesn't open their heart to God fully. I didn't understand a lot of stuff. Much that I still don't.

And you said you were brought up Christian? First, God doesn't judge if we are "worthy" or not. We all sin, we aren't worthy. That's why Jesus had to come and make the ultimate sacrifice for us. Two, God doesn't send anyone to hell. We are all headed there. God saves us, if we ask.

He and His followers were/are the church. Do you mean building?

He didn't need anything. He was God in human form.

What is it you need to know of the first 30 years? He was preparing Himself to do the job He was sent to do.
Of course immaculate conception perplexes you. So should the beginning of the earth, if you're not Christian.
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Wow, a lot talk but nothing said.
 
Tazx said:
Ok, but to Capitalize something according to rules of Grammar...should it not be a real proven thing?
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Since I have no interest in pursuing a circular discussion that's headed nowhere, I will be disengaging after this post. It was incorrect to capitalize the word I changed to bold in your context above, since it was used in the middle of a sentence.
 

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