Would you open your home to a refuge family?

I think part of being a good person/patriot, Christian or otherwise is to endeavour to improve ourselves and our country. Neither Canada or America have a stellar rep. caring for our poor or homeless, vets included. Improvements are needed, not to destroy, but to raise up. The verses from Mathew are inspirational, a clear reminder that we are indeed our brother's/sister's keeper. Ultimately, the true measure of a person is their humanity, or lack of it. Also important to remember, I think, disagreement over ideology/social constructs, remains just that, it is not, nor should be, an indictment of another person worthiness.
 

In the middle of downtown Boston, there is a building with a sign above the door saying New England Center For Homeless Veterans. I thought that was one of the saddest things I ever saw. Here's their web site:
http://nechv.org/

But of course, equating the needs of these two groups is like equating apples and oranges. They are not the same thing at all, and anybody who wants to help both groups can.

I believe that with a humanitarian crisis like the current one going on, we are obligated as a nation to do something to help. That is not the same thing as insisting that people personally open up their homes and families to refugees. We all have different circumstances and living arrangements; some can and some can't. Taking in complete strangers does entail a level of risk that not all are comfortable with. So in general, I agree with those here who recommend supporting the organizations dedicated to helping those in need. Those who want to go further can certainly do so, but nobody should be guilt tripped into doing it.

I am very dubious about Biblical quotes out of context being used to justify, or oppose, anything. The Bible is so full of contradictions that it can be used to make any point at all, including commanding people to commit acts of barbarism. If anyone doubts that, I suggest that they go back and read Leviticus.

As for the impact on our economy, probably they aren't enough in number for that to be significant. (Unlike Germany). They are not likely to take any more jobs away from Americans than any other immigrant group.
If we were agreeing to take in millions, my answer would be different.

Interesting discussion.
 
I'm wondering though if it will not come to people taking in refugees. If we agree to take in thousands of families, where will the go? Will be build refugee camps with tents or lean-to's Of course these camps will be a thousand percent better than what these people are fleeing, but will do little to assimilate them.. not like being taken in by Americans will.. And I agree Sunny... taking in a family is not possible for everyone.. but we wouldn't need everyone to do it.. just those willing and able.
 

QuickSilver said:
So you are supporting them?
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If I may answer.
I happen to know that Venus does indeed do a lot of Charity Work.
She pays her taxes.
We rely on our government to use those taxes to help and support British citizens.
But the government do a very poor job in that.
Instead they choose to .give 13 BILLION POUNDS in overseas aid.

Most of that is wasted by the despots.

Charity begins at home!
 
QuickSilver said:
So Paying ones taxes and giving to or working for a few charities is sufficient...
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The answer to that in my opinion is YES! More than enough.

If I respectfully may mention your previous post Quicksilver...

'I'm wondering though if it will not come to people taking in refugees. If we agree to take in thousands of families, where will the go? Will be build refugee camps with tents or lean-to's Of course these camps will be a thousand percent better than what these people are fleeing, but will do little to assimilate them.. not like being taken in by Americans will.. And I agree Sunny... taking in a family is not possible for everyone.. but we wouldn't need everyone to do it.. just those willing and able'.

I agree with all that you say there.
So may I ask what YOU are doing to make YOUR actions sufficient to help so called refugees, and economic migrants?

If you are doing anywhere near as much as Venus is doing, then good on you and all.

Perhaps you can telephone some of them offering help?
After all, a lot of them do seem to be clothed in the latest fashions, and have the latest smart phones.:D
 
I have no idea what venus is doing...nor do I really care.. AGAIN... the OP was if you would or wouldn't shelter a refugee family. I'll add to that.. IF they were brought to the States and needing someone to house them and sponsor them. I wasn't aware we were in a contest over who does what for charity.

My answer is.....yes I would take in a family.. It feels to me like those who say they would not, feel the need to justify that by claiming to do this or that for charity or for poor families, or as YOU did BC... denigrate and insult the refugees... No need to justify a NO answer... It is what it is. If you wouldn't then you wouldn't... Don't give a rats ass what else you do to ease your conscience.
 
QuickSilver said:
I have no idea what venus is doing...nor do I really care.. AGAIN... the OP was if you would or wouldn't shelter a refugee family. I'll add to that.. IF they were brought to the States and needing someone to house them and sponsor them. I wasn't aware we were in a contest over who does what for charity.

My answer is.....yes I would take in a family.. It feels to me like those who say they would not, feel the need to justify that by claiming to do this or that for charity or for poor families or whatever... No need to justify a NO answer... It is what it is.
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Again if I may respectfully quote you Quicksilver...

'I have no idea what venus is doing...nor do I really care'.

If that is the case, why make the comment to Venus...

'So you are supporting them'?

Then to me...

'So Paying ones taxes and giving to or working for a few charities is sufficient'...

Judging by your above replies there it appears to be a bit hypocritical.
But then.
My guess is that you don't really care about what I think either!:D

But then you see, with respect, you and I are different because I care about what other people think.
Perhaps I might just learn something from them?
 
Guess I must be slow this morning... As I have no idea WHAT you are trying to argue about.... oh well.... go for it.. I'm getting another cup of coffee..
 
QuickSilver said:
Guess I must be slow this morning... As I have no idea WHAT you are trying to argue about.... oh well.... go for it.. I'm getting another cup of coffee..
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Yes Quicksilver.
Even I have lost the plot now!:playful:

So coming back to the original question.

NO, would not open my home to a so called refugee.
Apart from what I have said in earlier posts (if you can understand them)!:cool:

If I do I could also be helping one of those ICIS chappies to get established, and then either blow us up, or chop our heads off!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...efugees-Germany-Syrian-ISIS-infiltrators.html


How many are genuine? As Europe locks down its borders, eye witnesses claim fewer than a third of refugees who have made it to Germany are Syrian – and some are even ISIS infiltrators

  • Refugees who are fleeing areas of Syria torn apart by war say they are being joined by thousands of imposters
  • Desperate refugees claim as many as seven in every ten migrants heading to Europe are lying about their past
  • The relentless flow of migrants has overwhelmed the EU mainland, with Germany temporarily shutting its borders with Austria, Slovakia and Holland pledging tighter border controls and Hungary completing a razor-wire fence
By SPECIAL REPORT BY SUE REID IN BERLIN
PUBLISHED: 23:30, 15 September 2015 | UPDATED: 00:37, 16 September 2015




Chain-smoking outside a coffee bar in Germany’s capital, young Syrian Mohammad Al-Abaan bangs his hand loudly on the table as three teenage girls walk past in Islamic robes.
‘Look at them!’ he says. ‘They pretend to be migrants from my country, but they lie. Their skin is blacker than ours. I know they are Arab-speaking Muslims from Sudan in Africa. Every day, more Africans, Afghanis, Iraqis, Iranians, Lebanese, and lots of others, slip through the door opened by Germany to us Syrians.’
These are strong words, particularly as Mohammad has only just set foot in Europe himself, arriving in Berlin a week ago by train from Hungary with his friend Ismail Gannom.
 
BC....Thanks for clarifying your positions... see I AM capable of "Understanding" many things... but they really have to make sense...



It appears to me that Europe is bearing the brunt of this immigration thing.. I can only imagine if that happened here... We set our collective hair on fire when a few thousand children cross our southern boarder.

I would imagine for them to get here they would have to come by boat of plane.. hard for them to do if uninvited. Therefore I would think that those getting the privilege of coming to the States would be well vetted.
 
Just a simple question: Do you not think that by opening the gates for all of the political and economic refugees that wish to migrate to Europe, we are simply transferring all of the problems to a focal point? Economically, all of the European countries are in a downward trend anyway, so by allowing millions of additional people to dilute the indigenous people will make those countries even poorer.

Surely, the more people who do migrate into Europe will only encourage those left behind to do the same. There are billions of people who are worse off than us. They all want a higher standard of living than what they have now, and that is very understandable. However, we are looking at the possibility of major geographical relocations.
 
What is unfortunate is that we DON'T take care of our homeless children and our poor.. If we did there wouldn't be so many would there..? It's not for lack of not having the means.. we are the richest country in the world.. Just a tiny cut in our Military budget would do the trick... but we really don't want to.. We have a factor of our society and certainly a political party that begrudges anyone getting help on their tax dollar. Food stamps, Federal assistance, and even unemployment benefits are always in the crosshairs of budget cuts.. People are denigrated and admonished for needing help....So yes... I DO tend to agree that we should help our own first..If only we would.
 
With our current debt of $18 trillion we are not the richest country in the world at all. We may have the power to be the richest but we are not as our debts just keep on rising every day. We need a government willing to work to bring this debt back down and get all that borrowed money working back in the US where it started from.

This kind of debt is not party related as it has been authorized by some of both parties. But right now we need a controlling group willing to stop more spending and to work on ending our deficit.
 
If I may come in here, and please put me straight if I got this totally wrong.

These immigrants that are escaping their war torn countries are hell bent on getting to Britain for safety of their families yet their passing through just as safe countries to reach us.

Now its a fact that our government have put some of these refugees in 5* hotels for months whilst sorting out free housing and benefits to the tune that they never need work again. Others they have housed in council houses as top priority yet neglected our own citizens that have been waiting to be housed for months on end.

In their eyes no country is suitable to their needs save ours as they know our government is an easy touch, OH yes they do talk the talk but their afraid to walk the walk.

They also play the racial card when it comes to ask them to respect our laws instead they demand that our laws are changed to suit them, yet if we visit their country they ensure their laws are abided or face jail or even in some extreme cases a death penalty.

Can I ask our American friends who are in favour of offering housing to these people, Have the American government actually offered these immigrants safe passage into your country offering them a better life.??

My answer to the original Question is definitely no, We have enough destitute people of our own that need helping without an insurmountable influx of immigrants.

Roy
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm wondering though if it will not come to people taking in refugees. If we agree to take in thousands of families, where will the go? Will be build refugee camps with tents or lean-to's Of course these camps will be a thousand percent better than what these people are fleeing, but will do little to assimilate them.. not like being taken in by Americans will.. And I agree Sunny... taking in a family is not possible for everyone.. but we wouldn't need everyone to do it.. just those willing and able.
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How 'bout opening up some of the closed military installations around the country to house them. A lot of them have quarters, including family quarters, on the installation.
 
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