And so...the "recession" begins

Magna-Carta said:
From what I can tell, the articles posted here are referring to a Civic Hybrid, which if it is going to be built in the US in 2028, seems likely it will be the next generation Civic.
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They are already built here, or co-produced in both Japan and Indiana now. The news is about a new plant to expand production, and the Japan production for the N.A. market moving here from Japan.

Even the ones "built" in Canada are really built in Indiana, then go to Canada where sedan bodies are slapped on. The hatchback is all Indiana.

None of this is difficult. The tariffs are working.
 

dilettante said:
They are already built here, or co-produced in both Japan and Indiana now. The news is about a new plant to expand production, and the Japan production for the N.A. market moving here from Japan.

Even the ones "built" in Canada are really built in Indiana, then go to Canada where sedan bodies are slapped on. The hatchback is all Indiana.

None of this is difficult. The tariffs are working.
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Ok, but i don't think it quite works that way. Do you mean painted 'bodies' are built in Indiana, shipped to Canada, then subframes, suspension & steering, engines and transmission, electrics, and interior trim are fitted to the body on Canadian assembly lines?
 

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Magna-Carta said:
Ok, but i don't think it quite works that way. Do you mean painted 'bodies' are built in Indiana, shipped to Canada, then subframes, suspension & steering, engines and transmission, electrics, and interior trim are fitted to the body on Canadian assembly lines?
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You have it the wrong way around.
 
dilettante said:
You have it the wrong way around.
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Go for it -- let me know what I've got the wrong way around.

In the meantime, there is no doubt in my mind yet that the 25% auto tariff has influenced Honda's decision to move its own production of the Civic hybrid to the US. As for anything else surrounding Honda, I'm not so sure, but there is time yet.
 
Canada takes the engines and drivetrain and a lot of smaller parts and builds a car around them. Those parts substantially come from Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Georgia. Other parts come from Japan and currently China.
 
Magna-Carta said:
Go for it -- let me know what I've got the wrong way around.
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Then only viable way, is for the suppliers to the Indiana plant, also ship to Canada, where the bodies are welded and painted... awaiting the suppliers. Of course, it is also highly likely that some of that suppliers are in Canada... supplying both plants. BTW... all Honda cars are uni-body with no on-frame construction.
 
I heard that Ford is going to produce a new full size ScoobyDooesque Van in Detroit to cater to the polyamorous fad of Gen Y and Z. The groupings will literally be able to live together in the vehicle. Moms and Dads are all for this new cult machine, as the freeloaders will finally move out of the house. Make Detroit Sexy Again! 😘
 
dilettante said:
Canada takes the engines and drivetrain and a lot of smaller parts and builds a car around them. Those parts substantially come from Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Georgia. Other parts come from Japan and currently China.
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Ok, now I think I see where you are coming from.

The car manufacturer I work for casts, machines, and builds its own engines in the UK. It also has automotive parts suppliers for its vehicles both in the UK; from many other suppliers in other European countries, and from parts suppliers in Japan. These days, in this modern world, building a vehicle is often a global effort. Wherever the part is the least expensive for the quality demanded, and where the expertise might be. It's all about being competitive in a global market. And not overpricing the car out of the market due to domestic labour charges.

I don't see globalisation in the automotive industry a weakness or trick -- it’s the norm. Significantly promoted by the US, or at least by its car manufacturers in recent decades -- as it tries to keep overheads down and compete with non-domestic manufacturers.
 
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I got sick and tired of wasting the evening with 15 minutes of air doom in the 70's.
Then ya have the neighbors in the 90's - 2010's ____ till near or after midnight !

I see GMC 2025 as huge priced increased a sitting forever on a lot. There is a 20 acre
Lot full of Sierras for sale near me.

Bullying? What I understand is B.S.
 
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dilettante said:
They are already built here, or co-produced in both Japan and Indiana now. The news is about a new plant to expand production, and the Japan production for the N.A. market moving here from Japan.

Even the ones "built" in Canada are really built in Indiana, then go to Canada where sedan bodies are slapped on. The hatchback is all Indiana.

None of this is difficult. The tariffs are working.
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''The tariffs are working.''

Highly debatable
 
Geeze I feel like jumping in here…but only know for sure what I see. If I thought the tariffs were a thought out financial plan with each country thoughtfully considered I might be less opposed. But using tariffs as a club does not seem a long term helpful game plan to me…and the ill will generated by the accompanying rhetoric will last for years . You better believe that every country who has been either threatened or insulted will reexamine their trade…and if they can figure out an alternative to the US they will indeed. I certainly would…
 
Muskrat said:
Geeze I feel like jumping in here…but only know for sure what I see. If I thought the tariffs were a thought out financial plan with each country thoughtfully considered I might be less opposed. But using tariffs as a club does not seem a long term helpful game plan to me…and the ill will generated by the accompanying rhetoric will last for years . You better believe that every country who has been either threatened or insulted will reexamine their trade…and if they can figure out an alternative to the US they will indeed. I certainly would…
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Some prices like real maple syrup are now insane as think Vermont is only place here it is produced and only a fraction of what is consumed .
 
NotCompSavvy said:
Some prices like real maple syrup are now insane as think Vermont is only place here it is produced and only a fraction of what is consumed .
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For my pantry back-up shelf, I bought a bottle of pure, organic, Canadian maple syrup at Costco a few weeks ago. No price change at that point. A liter was still about $12.

It's the only Canadian food item I use - or at least the only one I can bring to mind.
 
dilettante said:
I guess you didn't watch the "Carney Comes To Town" event the other day.

He arrived hat-in-hand, and left empty-handed.
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That wasn't my take at all. In fact, he was rather firm about Canada never becoming a US 51st state.

Carney wants peace and normal relationships restored with his neighbor. Not a revolutionary concept. Certainly not a position of weakness.
 
Right now we are still living off the after effects of the economic boom that the current regime inheirited from the previous administration. When those have dissapated and the full affect of the current regimes policies are in place my prediction is as follows"

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Muskrat said:
Geeze I feel like jumping in here…but only know for sure what I see. If I thought the tariffs were a thought out financial plan with each country thoughtfully considered I might be less opposed. But using tariffs as a club does not seem a long term helpful game plan to me…and the ill will generated by the accompanying rhetoric will last for years . You better believe that every country who has been either threatened or insulted will reexamine their trade…and if they can figure out an alternative to the US they will indeed. I certainly would…
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The UK recently announced a trade deal with India, which has been in negotiation for about three years or more. These things take time. Trade agreements aren’t just handshakes in a back room somewhere or over the phone. They involve complex legal frameworks, regulatory alignment, and domestic political considerations in both countries.

The UK and US started trade deal talks in 2020, but as far as I know, the momentum slowed, in part due to the US side wanting to focus on other internal things. More recently, there were claims from the US that 60 or even 77 nations were queuing up to ‘kiss ass’ for trade deals. But which of those nations have publicly stated that negotiations are underway? Where in the queue are they? Has anyone clarified that?

Does the US actually have the diplomatic capacity to negotiate meaningful trade deals with 60 countries at the same time? Because unless it’s first-come, first-served, we’ll be into the next century before most of those agreements are finalised. Using tariffs as a way to kickstart trade negotiations seems more like a political manoeuvre than a serious economic strategy. It seems like a red herring to me.

When the US put the brakes on regarding negotiations with the UK, the UK started approaching individual US states. Drawing up memoranda of understanding (MoUs) with individual US states. It's clearly just symbolic, as only the US federal government can sign binding trade agreements. The UK did this to help demonstrate they are still committed to a UK-US trade deal and not just sitting idle, even if Washington was.
 
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Magna-Carta said:
The UK recently announced a trade deal with India, which has been in negotiation for about three years or more. These things take time. Trade agreements aren’t just handshakes in a back room somewhere or over the phone. They involve complex legal frameworks, regulatory alignment, and domestic political considerations in both countries.
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Australia has (had?) a free trade agreement with US that is apparently useless although as far as I know it has not been repudiated. We also had a trade deficit, meaning that we import more US goods than we send the other way.

Nevertheless, POTUS slapped us with an unjustified 10% tariffs on our exports to America.

Our now re-elected Prime Minister is playing it cool, just as was done when China sought to punish us with tariffs. Trump says he is good friends with PM Albanese. He could, at the stroke of a sharpie, restore our free trade agreement but I'm not holding my breath.

Meanwhile, popular sentiment had turned away from US and there are a lot of angry Australians now boycotting US goods. The current situation played a big part in the re-election of the Labor government last Saturday. More's the point it contributed to the Leader of the Opposition losing his own seat. That rarely happens in Australian politics.
 
Warrigal said:
We also had a trade deficit, meaning that we import more US goods than we send the other way.
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That was last year. Not looking good this year. The UK is the one that should be crying foul, imo.
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