My first responder son and the riots in LA

1st. need to recognize this thread is about Ronni's son & his difficulty while doing the job he went to L A for. No surprise to me that peaceful protest turned into a chance for bad actors to take advantage of the mass of people. Ronni's son should be congratulated for the job he is doing.


@ VaughanJB, OneEyedDiva & Teacher Terry

I understand the difference between legal immigration & illegal immigration.

I understand that seeking out & removing illegal immigrants is a priority that was a key feature of the last election.

I understand that it's not likely for ICE agents to seek out illegal immigrants in areas with a low population of illegal immigrants.

I understand that in instances where more than one illegal is present there is the potential & real possibility that an immigrant here legally will be detained.

I understand that illegal immigrants that are not criminals are not sent to prisons in their country of origin. And that a few people like Kilmar Abrego Garcia are special cases.

I understand that our economy is successful in part due to illegal immigrants doing jobs legal immigrants & native born don't want to do. Not a mystery to me why. What do any of you three think about why that is?

My preference is to do as is being done now. Reduce illegal immigration at the border. Send criminal illegals to prisons that accept them. Process those willing to self deport.

The exception to current policy would be when possible those caught up in a raid investigate their circumstances.
 

Knight said:
Maybe GP44 is confusing paid protestor with paid activists


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In essence, activism can be a paid profession for some, while others choose to dedicate their time and efforts as volunteers. The financial aspect of activism is dependent on the specific opportunities available and the choices individuals make about how they contribute to social change.

Political is one option & this L A protest turned riot seems to me to fit political.
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Just look up Crowds on Demand!
If they aren’t paying people to demonstrate then why does that come up when you search how to get paid for demonstrating.
Do I have to answer the ad and infiltrate the demonstration and get killed exposing it for what it is before all of you super intelligent people will believe anything?
All I’m saying is that some of these people out there are getting paid to carry signs and march in those protests.
How much they have to do to get paid I don’t know!
I started noticing that the same looking people were doing all of the demonstrating in Chicago and looked at who it said they represented on the signs and saw that most of the demonstrations in Chicago were supported by Socialist and Communist organizations.
IT AINT THAT HARD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW-YOU BASICALLY GOT TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THAT THE SAME PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR MOST OF THESES DEMONSTRATIONS.
IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW JUST KEEP CALLING IT CONSPIRACY THEORY. I DONT CARE BUT YOU ARE LYING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
 
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GP44 said:
Just look up Crowds on Demand!
If they aren’t paying people to demonstrate then why does that come up when you search how to get paid for demonstrating.
Do I have to answer the ad and infiltrate the demonstration and get killed exposing it for what it is before all of you super intelligent people will believe anything?
All I’m saying is that some of these people out there are getting paid to carry signs and march in those protests.
How much they have to do to get paid I don’t know!
I started noticing that the same looking people were doing all of the demonstrating in Chicago and looked at who it said they represented on the signs and saw that most of the demonstrations in Chicago were supported by Socialist and Communist organizations.
IT AINT THAT HARD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW-YOU BASICALLY GOT TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THAT THE SAME PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR MOST OF THESES DEMONSTRATIONS.
IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW JUST KEEP CALLING IT CONSPIRACY THEORY. I DONT CARE BUT YOU ARE LYING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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Are you suggesting the estimated 4-6 million Americans who demonstrated at some 2100 events on No Kings Day were being paid? Or that the protestors in 20 international countries were being paid?

Gee... nobody offered me a dime. There were, however, numerous kind souls passing out free snacks and bottles of water...
 

GP44 said:
Just look up Crowds on Demand!
If they aren’t paying people to demonstrate then why does that come up when you search how to get paid for demonstrating.
Do I have to answer the ad and infiltrate the demonstration and get killed exposing it for what it is before all of you super intelligent people will believe anything?
All I’m saying is that some of these people out there are getting paid to carry signs and march in those protests.
How much they have to do to get paid I don’t know!
I started noticing that the same looking people were doing all of the demonstrating in Chicago and looked at who it said they represented on the signs and saw that most of the demonstrations in Chicago were supported by Socialist and Communist organizations.
IT AINT THAT HARD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW-YOU BASICALLY GOT TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THAT THE SAME PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR MOST OF THESES DEMONSTRATIONS.
IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW JUST KEEP CALLING IT CONSPIRACY THEORY. I DONT CARE BUT YOU ARE LYING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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While the existence of paid protestors is undeniable, it's important to remember that not all protests are orchestrated by paid actors. Many protests are driven by genuine public sentiment and grassroots activism. However, instances of paid protestors do occur, and they can be hired to support or oppose specific causes, to inflate the apparent size of a demonstration, or to disrupt or discredit protests.

A notable example of paid protesters in action is the company "Crowds on Demand," which has admitted to using paid individuals in various contexts, including at city council meetings and for political campaigns, according to Wikipedia. They have been known to recruit individuals to speak out in favor of or against certain development proposals, or to appear to support a particular politician or cause.

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relating this to the L A riots formerly known as peaceful protesting about ICE agents arresting Illegal immigrants I don't doubt that there were/are some paid protestors.
 
StarSong said:
Are you suggesting the estimated 4-6 million Americans who demonstrated at some 2100 events on No Kings Day were being paid? Or that the protestors in 20 international countries were being paid?

Gee... nobody offered me a dime. There were, however, numerous kind souls passing out free snacks and bottles of water...
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My friends and family are demonstrating all over the country and none of us are being paid. It’s a great lie that people on the right like to pull out of their hat because they can’t imagine people being that unhappy with their government. That is really the only power that the average person has.

I also think that something the right is missing is that there are groups that are national like indivisible that helped to organize these protests. Really that’s the only way that large protests can happen is if someone is organizing them. Social media is also used to help in the organization.
 
StarSong said:
Are you suggesting the estimated 4-6 million Americans who demonstrated at some 2100 events on No Kings Day were being paid? Or that the protestors in 20 international countries were being paid?

Gee... nobody offered me a dime. There were, however, numerous kind souls passing out free snacks and bottles of water...
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No! I don’t think that everybody is getting paid.
How did you find out that there were going to be big demonstrations on those days?
You surely didn’t just up and say “I’m tired of the way things are going so I will protest tomorrow.”
No! Someone is spending a lot of money to organize these big protests.
So if you’re not paid individually there is still a lot of money spent to get you to march.
 
Knight said:
While the existence of paid protestors is undeniable, it's important to remember that not all protests are orchestrated by paid actors. Many protests are driven by genuine public sentiment and grassroots activism. However, instances of paid protestors do occur, and they can be hired to support or oppose specific causes, to inflate the apparent size of a demonstration, or to disrupt or discredit protests.

A notable example of paid protesters in action is the company "Crowds on Demand," which has admitted to using paid individuals in various contexts, including at city council meetings and for political campaigns, according to Wikipedia. They have been known to recruit individuals to speak out in favor of or against certain development proposals, or to appear to support a particular politician or cause.

Google Search

relating this to the L A riots formerly known as peaceful protesting about ICE agents arresting Illegal immigrants I don't doubt that there were/are some paid protestors.
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I think you pretty well nailed it!
Just because I say that some people are being paid to demonstrate or protest some people have to try to prove me wrong by saying they weren’t paid.
Maybe they feel that they are being used when they find out that the same powerful people are behind a lot of these demonstrations and that it really has nothing to do with a just cause as much as it has to do with creating dissension.
 
Teacher Terry said:
My friends and family are demonstrating all over the country and none of us are being paid. It’s a great lie that people on the right like to pull out of their hat because they can’t imagine people being that unhappy with their government. That is really the only power that the average person has.

I also think that something the right is missing is that there are groups that are national like indivisible that helped to organize these protests. Really that’s the only way that large protests can happen is if someone is organizing them. Social media is also used to help in the organization.
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Can you imagine a world where protest is automatically demonized? What are people supposed to do then?

This is typical internet-thinking, where if a handful of people are bad actors, then everyone is cast as one, or a protest is completely invalidated and deserving of severe treatment from the authorities. All you have to do is plant the seed that some protestors are paid, and suddenly everyone who cares enough to get out there is suddenly tarnished.

Without protest women wouldn't be able to vote among many other examples. It's terrible how far society has fallen, imo.
 
I have also been protesting. I’m not getting paid. I am doing it because I felt helpless and hopeless sitting around doing nothing about a situation that is very troubling to me.
I found the protests in the same way that I found Senior Forums. I searched the internet.
There was a lot there. I found protests in my area and I signed up to attend.
The people who organized it were volunteers and they were looking for more volunteers.
After I attended the first protest, I was notified of all subsequent protests in my area. That’s how it works.
 
MaidMarian said:
I have also been protesting. I’m not getting paid. I am doing it because I felt helpless and hopeless sitting around doing nothing about a situation that is very troubling to me.
I found the protests in the same way that I found Senior Forums. I searched the internet.
There was a lot there. I found protests in my area and I signed up to attend.
The people who organized it were volunteers and they were looking for more volunteers.
After I attended the first protest, I was notified of all subsequent protests in my area. That’s how it works.
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We all know what the protests are about. I protest with my words on FB along with what seems to be millions of others. Every time I see a human snatched off the street by masked thugs leaving children and family behind I feel sick to my stomach. Just one of the many things making people take to streets to protest.
 
GP44 said:
I think you pretty well nailed it!
Just because I say that some people are being paid to demonstrate or protest some people have to try to prove me wrong by saying they weren’t paid.
Maybe they feel that they are being used when they find out that the same powerful people are behind a lot of these demonstrations and that it really has nothing to do with a just cause as much as it has to do with creating dissension.
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How very wrong you are. People who are demonstrating know exactly and specifically why they're marching. The term "No Kings" is self-explanatory.
 
GP44 said:
I think you pretty well nailed it!
Just because I say that some people are being paid to demonstrate or protest some people have to try to prove me wrong by saying they weren’t paid.
Maybe they feel that they are being used when they find out that the same powerful people are behind a lot of these demonstrations and that it really has nothing to do with a just cause as much as it has to do with creating dissension.
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You should attend a protest and see for yourself what it’s all about. You might be pleasantly surprised!
 
Professional agitators can be paid to cause a disturbance so there’s a ‘reason’ for authorities to attend.

After big sporting events, there can be professional agitators who raise hell so others will too and then the looting can begin.
 
Jules said:
Professional agitators can be paid to cause a disturbance so there’s a ‘reason’ for authorities to attend.

After big sporting events, there can be professional agitators who raise hell so others will too and then ? the looting can begin.
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This begs the question of who motivates me professional agitators and why?
 
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I want to protest your protests but I don’t have to get out and carry a sign around to do that.
The reason why I want to protest is that so many young people are turning away from everything that you call news.
They don’t want to get into the big controversy.
Part of the reason that they don’t watch the news is because the main stream media decided that it was it was okay to perpetuate false news as long as it fit an agenda.
We all know what it’s about.
You can’t blame people from turning away from the news when the news media thinks it is more important to be activists than it is to tell the truth and to report honest news.
The news media went along with the story that Biden was fit to run until it became obvious that his brain had turned to applesauce.
They knew that Kamala flip flopped on issues but didn’t report that because it didn’t fit the agenda.
Who knows if the news media will ever recover enough credibility that anyone will believe anything that is reported any more as a fact.
It isn’t a matter of if you are on the winning side any more as much as what you will do to win.
Sometimes over half of the news is just about politics while there is a whole world worth of things that happen every day.
They could start by reporting those kinds of things instead of trying to cram propaganda down our throats constantly.
So you can march and yell all you want to but I don’t think you’re helping cure the problems as much as your contribution to them.
Did you ever notice that the crooked news media always highlights every protest.
 
@GP44
You clearly have an axe to grind but to really sharpen it you're supposed to grind both sides.
 

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