Immigration Is Damaging Britain...You Don't Say....I Didn't Know That!!!

It is telling us that the young are naive...
 

Ameriscot said:
Yep. Which Americans? It's a multicultural country as is Australia. And in London there are people from every country in the world.
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Oh! Now don't you worry Ameriscot, there are MILLIONS of Americans and Australians who are against MASS immigration.
In fact, as for Australia...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-the-boats-policy-solve-europe-migrant-crisis

Five years later Australia has implemented one of the harshest border policies in the world. It is characterised by three core points: turning or towing back boats of asylum seekers at sea; forcing asylum seekers to live in detention centres across the Pacific in Nauru and Papua New Guinea; and guaranteeing they will never be resettled in Australia.
 
Shalimar said:
On Boozer's graph, I found it interesting that the people most concerned with the immigration question were 65 and older, while interest declined considerably as age decreased. What is this discrepancy telling us?
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Of course It is telling us that older people are much wiser Shalimar!
I know I am! :playful::D

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Uh huh. Unless I am mistaken, Oz tough border policy was largely attributed to the former Prime Minister Abbot, rampant racist and chauvinist extraordinaire. It will be interesting to see what occurs under the new leader.
 
Shalimar said:
Uh huh. Unless I am mistaken, Oz tough border policy was largely attributed to the former Prime Minister Abbot, rampant racist and chauvinist extraordinaire. It will be interesting to see what occurs under the new leader.
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For goodness sake Shalimar.
With respect, you do appear to have a 'thing' about racism, do you not?:D
For me, this has absolutely nothing to do with racism.

It has only to do with MASS immigration and the no brainer fact that NO country can sustain it without ruining the fabrick of it's society.:mad:
 
boozercruiser said:
Oh! Now don't you worry Ameriscot, there are MILLIONS of Americans and Australians who are against MASS immigration.
In fact, as for Australia...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-the-boats-policy-solve-europe-migrant-crisis

Five years later Australia has implemented one of the harshest border policies in the world. It is characterised by three core points: turning or towing back boats of asylum seekers at sea; forcing asylum seekers to live in detention centres across the Pacific in Nauru and Papua New Guinea; and guaranteeing they will never be resettled in Australia.
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Mass immigration? Hardly.

The few wretched individuals who have washed up on our northern shores hardly amount to mass immigration. In the worst year 20,647 arrived by boat and there was a terrible incident where a boat foundered on the rocks at Christmas Island and a lot of people drowned. That upset people, understandably.

The government has only gotten away with this policy of demonization of asylum seekers by drawing an opaque curtain over them so that we Australians never see a face, never see a little child and as far as possible know nothing about the conditions to which they are condemned in our name.

It isn't working too well now and we are learning of the murders, rapes and appalling treatment of people who have committed no crime for which they could be charged in any court of law.

IMO someone should be hauled before the ICC over Australia's treatment of asylum seekers, particularly the treatment of the children.
 
Warrigal said:
Mass immigration? Hardly.

The few wretched individuals who have washed up on our northern shores hardly amount to mass immigration. In the worst year 20,647 arrived by boat and there was a terrible incident where a boat foundered on the rocks at Christmas Island and a lot of people drowned. That upset people, understandably.

The government has only gotten away with this policy of demonization of asylum seekers by drawing an opaque curtain over them so that we Australians never see a face, never see a little child and as far as possible know nothing about the conditions to which they are condemned in our name.

It isn't working too well now and we are learning of the murders, rapes and appalling treatment of people who have committed no crime for which they could be charged in any court of law.

IMO someone should be hauled before the ICC over Australia's treatment of asylum seekers, particularly the treatment of the children.
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England has had over four million immigrants (and that's only the ones we know about) during the last 5 years.
Well over 300,000 this year alone.
Now with our population, as is.
THAT is MASS immigration!
 
Please do not patronise me Boozer. I have a "thing" about many things I view as unjust. In that particular post, I referenced the fact that Mr. Abbot's policies were affected by his views on race. Ask Warri for clarification if you doubt me, she is far more intelligent about Oz than I. I did not call you out as a racist. If I were sexist, at this point, I would suggest you calm down. Lol.
 
Shalimar said:
Please do not patronise me Boozer. I have a "thing" about many things I view as unjust. In that particular post, I referenced the fact that Mr. Abbot's policies were affected by his views on race. Ask Warri for clarification if you doubt me, she is far more intelligent about Oz than I. I did not call you out as a racist. If I were sexist, at this point, I would suggest you calm down. Lol.
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I wasn't meaning to patronise you at all Shalimar.
Honest I wasn't.

And I agree...

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Shalimar said:
Uh huh. Unless I am mistaken, Oz tough border policy was largely attributed to the former Prime Minister Abbot, rampant racist and chauvinist extraordinaire. It will be interesting to see what occurs under the new leader.
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Not true, Shalimar. Mandatory detention was actually introduced by a Labor government before John Howard came to power. It was on Australian soil though and the refugees had access to our legal system.

Then John Howard came into power and used the boat people as a political chip. Australians have a deep vein of xenophobia and the children overboard lie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair) won him an election he looked like losing. The asylum seekers became known as "illegals" even though they were breaking no laws and after 911 the fear was that terrorists were lurking among them, just waiting to bomb Australians. Howard passed legislation declaring that large parts of our northern coast and islands weren't part of Australia for the purpose of being considered to have arrived here. This allowed him to ignore international responsibilities to the asylum seekers and they could not have access to the courts. At best they had temporary protection visas and could be shipped back home if the government decided that they were no longer in danger. Howard introduced the Pacific Solution where asylum seekers were dumped on Nauru and Manus I. (PNG)

When Labor was returned to office it was partly because Rudd said "me too" to everything that Howard was doing except for the industrial relations policies. Howard had taken a step too far in cutting workers pay and conditions and it not only cost him government, it cost him his seat in parliament.

Rudd did nothing much to help the asylum seekers but he did dismantle the Pacific Solution and kept refugees on the mainland again. Then the numbers began to increase. From 2009 to 2013 they rose from 2726 to 20,647. Julia Gillard tried to negotiate a regional approach to the problem but was blocked in the senate. This would have involved the establishment of assessment centres in Malaysia and Indonesia with immigration accepting countries taking them from there in an orderly fashion. Anyone who came by boat would simply have been returned to a regional centre to wait their turn. An appeal to the High Court said that we couldn't send anyone to a country that was not a party to the Geneva Convention under our current legislation and the senate refused to allow the legislation to be changes. So it was back to Manus and Nauru. The old camps were dismantled so the refugees were sent to a tropical hell hole to live in tents in the blazing sun. This included pregnant women and nursing mothers.

Tony Abbott is only the last in a long line of abusers of vulnerable people. He made "Stop the Boats" his election mantra and he achieved this aim by very ruthless means. At least we think he achieved his aim but the secrecy surrounding boat towbacks and refoulement means we have no idea what has happened to these people. It is even against the law for Australians working for the camps to talk to a UN representative when they visit. To do so is to risk imprisonment. This applies to medical staff and teachers as well as guards. We do know that a Syrian man, desperate to end his imprisonment on Nauru has been talked into going back to Syria and an Afghan man was sent back to Kabul but was murdered by the Taliban as he tried to return to his home in the north. This tiny pieces of information are very worrying to people who care about our obligations as a civilised country.

Abbott is gone but neither his successor nor his chief opponent is prepared to take the electoral risk of bringing the asylum seekers back to the mainland for processing. At the moment there is scant processing taking place anywhere. The people are in a limbo that looks more like hell.

There is a case before the High Court commencing soon and interestingly Nauru has suddenly said it will process all of its detainees in a week and turn them loose on the island. They will not be free to leave it, however. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/australian-offshore-processing-examined-by-high-court/6828464

The whole policy, from Keating to Turnbull has been one of escalating bastardry and the Australian people are to blame for it. Do not copy us.
 
Not unless the UN condemns us because there is bipartisan support for it and terrorism is being whipped up as a boogey man right now and that will play into the next election in 2016. Only the Greens continue to fight against it.
 
Susie said:
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Gee, D.W., you're kinda going overboard here; I'm almost, but not entirely, scared of your overpowering intellect!
Maybe you could visit another country for a while (Indonesia, China, Japan) and learn to do comparisons between countries regarding refugee strategies!
Then on your return you could "teach" our gov. to behave "properly".
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Susie if I've understood your post correctly you are saying that Australia is not as bad as some in the way we treat asylum seekers. So what? That doesn't make what we are doing right. I believe that Andrew Wilkie, a Tassie pollie, has lodged a complaint with The UN over our treatment of refugees.
 
Wow. Welcome to Personal Attacks R Us. Lol. Often the last bastion of a poor argument. True patriotism lies in the willingness of a people to hold their country/government to account, no matter how uncomfortable the circumstances, and work from within to affect change. For example, Americans faced difficult choices in the implementation of civil rights during the sixties. I applaud their patriotism, just as I now applaud Warri's.
 
Clarity, I wish to state very clearly that I am not equating what is happening in Oz today with the level of violence and struggle that characterized the civil rights struggle, or intending to paint Oz as the poster child for inhuman treatment of minors. My intent was to support Warri and others like her in their honest appraisal of what is occurring in their country, and their distress regarding these practices.
 
Shalimar said:
Clarity, I wish to state very clearly that I am not equating what is happening in Oz today with the level of violence and struggle that characterized the civil rights struggle, or intending to paint Oz as the poster child for inhuman treatment of minors. My intent was to support Warri and others like her in their honest appraisal of what is occurring in their country, and their distress regarding these practices.
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No worries Shalimar. Not all Australians support the government's policies regarding refugees. Our shame is that so many do.
 
Oops, typo on my last post. Merde, this oold computer will not permit me to edit anything. Aargh. I meant to say migrants, not infer that Oz is locking up it's children. Eeewwww! Pleeeez don't feed me to the sharks. Mea culpa.
 
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