Arizona has the guns, Chicago has the crime.

Warrigal

Warrigal

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Manatee, you shouldn't tempt me this way.

I saw this statement as a signature on one of your posts, and peculiar creature that I am, I had to investigate to see if it is true.

Here is my fact check finding.

Given that Chicago is a city and Arizona is a state, I couldn't find a direct comparison but I did find this link that compares murder rates nationally and by state http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

In the table showing murder statistics ranked by 2103, highest to lowest, Illinois and Arizona are very close together at 11th and 12th. Both are above the state average for states without the death penalty and fairly close to the average of states with the death penalty.

Fact check conclusion - your statement is false. Sorry. :hide:
 

:confused:Why is a resident of Sydney, Australia so interested in crime stats in Arizona and Chicago? Do you have friends/family in those places? Are you planning to visit?
 
I think that in the US that is a fair question to ask of anyone. No laws in our Republic to deny that freedom. It is as fair as those left minded ones asking the other posters if they 'really' believe the US ways are really better. I sure like our freedoms pretty much. Personal put downs are really not good. Many times I have been told this.
 
QuickSilver said:
Arizona has cactus..... Chicago has poverty and street gangs..
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The Cactuses are only nasty when you do not leave them alone! Shortly after we moved to Arizona from Indiana, a news clip told of two guys outside of Tucson shooting shotguns at the big Saguaro Cactuses, one of them went to pose next to his target, and it promptly fell over, killing him. Conservation people estimated it's weight at about 17,000 lbs. imp
 
applecruncher said:
Meanwhile, again:~~~>>> Why would someone living in Sydney, Australia be remotely interested in crime in Arizona or Chicago? Please, enlighten me! :)
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I've only just woken up and it might be too early in the conversation to answer AC's question but she's asked it twice so I will explain.

#1 Manatee made a claim in another thread (which I wrongly thought was a signature) that Chicago has the crime and Arizona has the guns. As someone with a mathematical education I couldn't let that pass because to compare a rural state to a major city doesn't make a lot of sense. So I googled "US crime rates state by state" and looked for comparisons between Illinois and Arizona. The site I found had nothing to do with guns. It was comparing murder rates state by state and highlighting states with and without the death penalty, which is another analysis entirely. Still, the stats showed little difference between Arizona and Illinois on murder rates over quite a long period, which was a surprise to me. I did expect Illinois to be worse, but it really isn't.

So, as a fact checker, I came to the conclusion that Manatees claim was misleading at best. I'd go as far as to say it was wrong.

Is truth searching only relevant if one is a native born American.

Anyone looking for dirt on Australia should start some threads on ill treatment of asylum seekers, or domestic violence against women and you will find rich pickings. I will join in of course. I can only talk about sharks and spiders for so long before everything has been said.
 
Warrigal, thanks for answering. I have no negative feelings about Australia. In fact, in a different thread I posted about my best friend joining her husband who was in Australia on business and she was enchanted. I saw their beautiful pictires and video......loved the kangaroos, of course. The pouches are very different from what we see on cartoons. :) And boxing kangaroos always crack...me...up!!

Anyway, thanks again.
 
Shirley said:
But why did you feel the need to prove Manatee wrong?
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Because the statement had a sniff of propaganda about it. Mantras like that one are easy to remember and easy to repeat. If true, that is not a bad thing but if false it can become fixed truth in people's minds. To me a false statement is a challenge. I have to check it out and sometimes I do find that it contains at least some truth.

George Orwell (Animal Farm; 1984) wrote about this. A simple slogan or sentence can have a very powerful role in manipulating people.
 
By the way, I'm now off to visit my husband in hospital. I'll be gone for about 4 hours.

May I suggest everyone settle down.

If anyone has the energy, please try to find comparative crime stats for Chicago and Phoenix.
Does Chicago have the worse stats or are they in the same ball park?
That would conclude the analysis.
 
Warrigal said:
By the way, I'm now off to visit my husband in hospital. I'll be gone for about 4 hours.

May I suggest everyone settle down.

If anyone has the energy, please try to find comparative crime stats for Chicago and Phoenix.
Does Chicago have the worse stats or are they in the same ball park?
That would conclude the analysis.
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I posted that above Warri. Check it out when you can. BTW I wish you well on your hospital visit.
 
Jim, I looked and looked but I could not find it if you posted statistics comparing Chicago & Phoenix gun death statistics. I may have misunderstood what you meant.

I tried to find the statistics myself on line and could not.
 
Thanks, I went back and I found it.
It is just reporting crimes in general but not gun specific.
I notice Chicago is safe for women;
they never get raped there!
..or maybe it is not reported.
Interesting stats.

I am considering adding my little saying on my posts, rhat I use at other forums.
You know like the one you have :
Arizona home of guns, more guns, no permit required and murders every single day.....

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I am afraid to because I would be hated here if I did. So wisdom tells me not to do it. :positive:


 

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