Christian philosophy and the Big Bang

Warrigal

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I just read this elsewhere and I'm pasting it verbatim. It is vey philosophical and although there is a Christian thread running through it, it does not mention Jesus or God and is something that people of all faiths and none might resonate with.

A word from Richard Rohr:

We Are Already One
There was no place in the universe that was separate from the originating power of the universe. Each thing of the universe had its very roots in this realm....

--Brian Swimme and Thomas Berry

Believe it or not, it was actually a Roman Catholic priest who first proposed the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe. Georges Lemaître, a Belgian priest, astronomer, and physics professor, not only proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, he was the first to note in 1927 that the expanding universe might be traced back to a single point of origin called a singularity. As Ilia Delio describes, "Science would say it appeared like a little quantum size blip on the screen [Creatio ex nihilo] and inflated rapidly like a balloon and since that time, it has been expanding."
Delio explains the implications for this cosmology--our story of the universe:

Every human person desires to love and to be loved, to belong to another, because we come from another. We are born social and relational. We yearn to belong, to be part of a larger whole that includes not only friends and family but neighbors, community, trees, flowers, sun, earth, stars. We are born of nature and are part of nature; that is, we are born into a web of life and are part of a web of life. We cannot know what this means, however, without seeing ourselves within the story of the Big Bang universe. Human life must be traced back to the time when life was deeply one, a Singularity, whereby the intensity of mass-energy exploded into consciousness. Deep in our DNA we belong to the stars, the trees, and the galaxies.

Deep within we long for unity because, at the most fundamental level, we are already one. We belong to one another because we have the same source of love; the love that flows through the trees is the same love that flows through my being. . . . We are deeply connected in this flow of love, beginning on the level of nature where we are the closest of kin because the earth is our mother.

We began as one and our goal is oneness. Studying evolution, Teilhard de Chardin found that increased complexity and increased consciousness ironically lead to greater unity at a much higher level--which we would call love. We must always be reminded, it seems, that unity is not the same as uniformity. Not at all! With increased complexity, there is actually greater diversity and a greater enjoyment of that very diversity, which is the fruit of love. As Teilhard says, "Everything that rises must converge." We are in the midst of that convergence today--and seemingly at an accelerated pace--both in terms of good and resistance to the good.

I was particularly struck by this sentence: "Every human person desires to love and to be loved, to belong to another, because we come from another."
 

I agree with that almost entirely, Warri. I thought the piece was very well written and an excellent summation of the big picture. I have known love and value it above all else, but I would not equate the flow of the universe and the unity of everything with the human emotion and concept of love.
This is really an excellent piece. It prompts me to recall others I have read over the years that have come to similar conclusions. The truth of things seems to have been staring us in the face since ancient times. Its acknowledgement only seems to occur to a few.
 
Yes Underock. Contained within many ancient writing and stories we can find some deep truths about humanity. I even find them in modern stories like Star Trek. That doesn't mean that I believe Star Trek to contain all the wisdom of the universe, but it does occasionally drop a philosophical pearl. I like to gather in pearls of wisdom wherever I find them.
 

Yes Underock. Contained within many ancient writing and stories we can find some deep truths about humanity. I even find them in modern stories like Star Trek. That doesn't mean that I believe Star Trek to contain all the wisdom of the universe, but it does occasionally drop a philosophical pearl. I like to gather in pearls of wisdom wherever I find them.

There might even be a few rolling around on the floor right here. I think one fell out of my mouth just a few minutes ago! :rofl:

Ain't nothing wrong with Star Trek. It was my youngest's favorite show. I took an old photo of him, pasted a hand painted Star Ship Captain's shirt on it and pasted both on to a Hubble deep space photo. Its looking at me right now. He would have been very pleased.
 
I liked it, it was well written, but I have to take exception to the "we belong to one another" part as well as "we desire to love and to be loved".

Whether because of faulty wiring, bad life experiences or the much-vaunted diversity he spoke of, there are many who shun human contact.
 
All generalisations fail at some point, but as a general rule...

Even Newton's laws of motion fail when approaching light speed. Still they are useful equations for everyday considerations.
 
Well Phil and Underock, it seems that philosophers are rather thin on the ground today.
Thanks for contributing and not leaving me stranded. :thanks:
 
Yes, but they get browned off with me when I start one of those.
My higher minded threads are largely ignored.

O well, no more Mrs Nicegal. :grin:
 
No, no, don't get discouraged. This place NEEDS some class, if only to counter the "What Underwear Do You Wear?" and "Here's Another Pointless Game" threads.

Personally, this piece resonated with me because of several of its more Taoist tones, so it's all good. ;)
 
Yes. Warrigal. Don't stop posting. If you do, I'm left with Phil, and I only understand him about half the time. :shrug:
Actually, I think we're being kind of pompous here. I think we have an above average group on here. Some pretty thoughtful stuff comes along fairly regularly.
 
This "heavy" stuff needs to be balanced with the mundane, like a discussion of manties, or more recently, Bernie Briefs...
 
You guys are just being pretentious. We know you are fascinated by undergarments but won't admit it...
 
I liked it, it was well written, but I have to take exception to the "we belong to one another" part as well as "we desire to love and to be loved".

Whether because of faulty wiring, bad life experiences or the much-vaunted diversity he spoke of, there are many who shun human contact.

Any one who says they don't desire to love and be loved is lying.

Those who shun human contact are miserable human beings who have obviously been very hurt.
 
:lofl: In my world undergarments are essential items. I was christened Methodist.

In my world, commando is the Way, the Power and the Glory.

Any one who says they don't desire to love and be loved is lying.

That's a rather all-encompassing statement, is it not?

Those who shun human contact are miserable human beings who have obviously been very hurt.

Not necessarily ... again, you're making a blanket statement.
 
In my world, commando is the Way, the Power and the Glory.



That's a rather all-encompassing statement, is it not?



Not necessarily ... again, you're making a blanket statement.

Yes they are blanket statements. I don't believe any psychologically healthy human being does not desire love.
 

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