Has PC gone too far... Take 2

Warrigal said:
Swimming in the nude? Really?
That's only happened over here when the boys went swimming in the dam on a rural property.
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If the lake behind the dam was quite large and went for miles did you folks still call it a dam or did you call it lake such and so? Here it is river such and such behind a dam or lake whatever.
 
BobF said:
If the lake behind the dam was quite large and went for miles did you folks still call it a dam or did you call it lake such and so? Here it is river such and such behind a dam or lake whatever.
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Australia is a very dry country and the dam I referred to would be an agricultural one constructed with a digger to collect run off water for the cattle or the sheep.
Big dams do tend to be called Lake Such and Such but you aren't allowed to swim in the catchment area or the dam itself.
 
QuickSilver said:
I would think that the girls have little to worry about from someone who considers herself to be a female.. I don't think "he" is interested in using that male equipment or ogle the girls do you? Or do you consider the mere presence of a ***** to be a threat?
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Good thinking Quick,
I'm sure the 14 15 and 16 year old girls in the locker room feel the same way as you. good grief you're out of touch.
 
Dudewho said:
Good thinking Quick,
I'm sure the 14 15 and 16 year old girls in the locker room feel the same way as you. good grief you're out of touch.
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Right... because I was NEVER 14 15 or 16

Guess you didn't read all my posts... I would have had no problem with a transgender in the locker room... so long as there were shower curtains for everyone. I have never been in a girls locker room where there weren't... But apparently in this particular locker room only the transgender had curtains... so I can understand her feeling singled out.
 
That's what the school did but that's not good enough for your buddies at the obama a ministration. They want full equal rights nothing special for this child. also I don't believe you were ever a teenage girl.
 
Quick,
Maybe you can help me out, I just got arrested in the female changing room in Belk department store. they are not buying theI' "m feeling female today" and "what are you afraid of my *****" defense.
 
Dudewho said:
Quick,
Maybe you can help me out, I just got arrested in the female changing room in Belk department store. they are not buying theI' "m feeling female today" and "what are you afraid of my *****" defense.
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I wouldn't worry too much, when you get to Juvenile Hall they'll just call your Dad to come get ya and maybe suggest some intense counseling. Sarcasm breeds sarcasm.
 
QuickSilver said:
I went to Kelly at 43rd & California.. Showers were individual stalls with curtains.. Boys swam in the nude.. We had ugly green tank suits.
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QS, how glad I am you substantiated my description. Or maybe I should not say it, ya mightn't wanna make the likes of ME happy!

Seriously, then, the nude swimming was not confined to suburbs, but perhaps county-wide? Some sort of health decision or something. For me, it just didn't "hold water", then, or now. Those of us boys not yet "developed" were looked-down upon by the others. Produced mental scars? Hell, I already had plenty of those on my own, and then, after nearly drowning in that damned pool, pulled out gasping, looking like a half-dead little squirt, the snickering, Coach demanding why was I in the deep end, etc.

Gotta admit, given the "public" circumstances, nary a single boy showed "bodily interest" in any other. imp
 
BobF said:
If the lake behind the dam was quite large and went for miles did you folks still call it a dam or did you call it lake such and so? Here it is river such and such behind a dam or lake whatever.
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Bob, FYI, nude swimming is done in the lake behind the dam, and nude trolling on the crest, on top of it. imp
 
Well... for sure Kelly wasn't in the suburbs... it was smack dab in the middle of Chicago proper.


I don't know why boys had to swim in the nude.. It doesn't make sense does it... It wasn't a matter of having to provide suits as they had suits for the girls. I remember grabbing a suit out of a box and heading to the showers and then to the pool... Those that could swim wore white swim caps... those that couldn't swim wore red caps.. Then after swim class hitting the locker room again and putting the wet suit in a plastic tub.
 
QS, I'm like you, I've never know of this boys swimming nude thing and I've live in the burbs and in cities. I'm scratching my head on that one, never even heard about it.

But wouldn't you know it:

http://www.chicagonow.com/open-heart/2014/08/swimming-naked-in-gym-class-really-happened/

I should add, some people say this is a myth, I can't really confirm one way or the other except there are a number of claims around the net it happened.
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes.. the boys swam nude... and we used to try to figure out a way to peek in... but never could.. the doors were guarded
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Oh, OK, I guess I misunderstood, so this happened at a school you attended as well? Were the people in charge priest? Just wondering is all, such a weird requirement as from what I've been reading, it was mandatory and quite a few boys weren't happy about it.
 
AprilT said:
Oh, OK, I guess I misunderstood, so this happened at a school you attended as well? Were the people in charge priest? Just wondering is all, such a weird requirement as from what I've been reading, it was mandatory and quite a few boys weren't happy about it.
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Kelly was a Chicago PUBLIC School..... boys swam naked at ALL Chicago public high schools.. Girls wore suits.

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Something I might say about political correctness is that of course like any cause it can be taken to ridiculous extremes. Someone who irks the heck out of me is Caitlyn Jenner. It's not because I'm against people being transgendered. During my teen years I was mistaken for a boy more than once, gender-bending can be empowering. But Caitlyn like all the other reality stars is just too " Look at me! Look at me!! Keep me in the headlines and look at me!!!". Enough already...

I posted on one site a story that I think sums up tolerance and PC in a good way. Forgive me if I put it here already, but I don't think I did. In the late nineties there was a band called Hootie and the Blowfish. Darius Rucker was the singer and one of the finest baritones of all time. I love Darius and have seen him perform numerous times. The most recently was a few years back.

Between songs he was talking to the audience. He mentioned that his road crew had recently introduced him to the music of David Allen Coe. Another background cultural reference, DAC was what they called "Outlaw Country". He had a bunch of mainstream hits as well as a bunch of other great songs that veer so far off political correctness they're almost laughable.

An excellent singer/songwriter in his own right, but he could make someone who uses the "n" word on a daily basis wince with some of his tunes. So back to Darius...instead of looking at Coe's whole catalog and going NO NO BAD BAD...he heard some great music in there. He even led a sing a long to " You Never Even Called Me by My Name" and he brought down the house.

Do ya'll get the message in there?
 
Shalimar said:
April, you have a point.
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On the other hand, there are plenty of musicians who's music I like a lot but they don't much care for the likes of people my skin tone, nothing political about it when I tap my finger to their tune as long as the music moves me, I'm not thinking political correctness, same with some of my friends who roll their eyes at me and me at them time to time for points of views we disagree on.

I do take exception with the excellence of this Coe person, but to each their own.

http://www.countrystandardtime.com/d/article.asp?xid=360



http://itsaboutracestupid.blogspot.com/2009/05/david-alan-coe-unrepentent-racist.html


from above link, some lyrics from one of his songs:

(asterisks not in original)

"Now women make me think of consolation
prison makes me think of isolation
ni**ers made me vote for segregation
and cocaine makes me" [you get the idea]
and later,
"Well it's hard to work for a dollar a week
and the Ku Klux Klan is bigger
so take the sheets off of your bed
and let's go hang a ni**er"
 
AprilT said:
QS, I'm like you, I've never know of this boys swimming nude thing and I've live in the burbs and in cities. I'm scratching my head on that one, never even heard about it.

But wouldn't you know it:

http://www.chicagonow.com/open-heart/2014/08/swimming-naked-in-gym-class-really-happened/

I should add, some people say this is a myth, I can't really confirm one way or the other except there are a number of claims around the net it happened.
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Quote from the above link:

“The reasons for this barbaric and hurtful practice were ill-founded,” Richard Senelick, a neurologist and medical director of the Rehabilitation Institute of San Antonio, writes in The Atlantic. “The need for hygiene, the fear of bathing suit threads clogging the pool or the desire to ‘build cohesion’ between young men,” Senelick believed, resulted in boys’ “shame and embarrassment.”


I can attest to the fact that from 1956 to 1960, I swam nude in high school gym class, one day a week. Traumatic, "shamed, and embarrassed?" Get a life, fer Chrissakes! Yeah, at first it seemed weird; after that, the novelty gone, it became fun (for those who did not sink in the deep end!). Though, any who had previously been to any of the local public pools, already knew that everyone had to shower, and submit to a foot inspection. The showering for men & boys was done communally. First I ever heard, or knew, of pubic hair, was in the showers at Forest Park Pool, about age 12 (guess I had none yet!).

Much worse than the nude experience, was the deplorable smell and conditions in the locker room. The floors, concrete, after years of bare-foot use, body-oils, who knows what-all, were slick and slimy. I'm describing my high school, remember. My nephews both attended Riverside-Brookfield High, 4 years apart, swam nude. Their friends in wrestling events from all around the area, Melrose Park, Proviso East and West, confirmed to them, they too, swam nude. It was not an option. You participated, or, failing to get a Doctor's excuse, failed Phys. Ed. imp
 
I beg to differ with your opinion, these are the lyrics to "Would You Be My Lady". Perhaps the singer is addressing a not so perfect past but can she love him as he is? A very sweet, romantic song...a man asking his woman to accept him and he will love her unconditionally in return.

Would you hold on to my hand when I get lonely?
Could I come to you whenever I'm in need?
Would you always have a place for me to lay my body down?
Would you be my lady, in the morning, would you be lady?
Would you walk with me across the bridges I forgot to burn?
Could you face the future looking at my past?
If I took the time to teach you all the things you'll need to learn
To be my lady, in the evening, would you be my lady?
Does it matter to you that you're not my first love?
Would you let a thing like that stand in your way?
If I said you was the woman that could ease my troubled mind
Would you be my lady, when I need you, would you be my lady?
Would you walk with me across the bridges I forgot to burn?
Could you face the future looking at my past?
If I took the time to teach you all things you'll need to learn
To be my lady, in the morning, would you be my lady?
Would you always have a place for me to lay my body down?

Then this tune is called "If That Ain't Country". We had a whole bunch of neighbors in Pennsylvania like this not even 10 years ago, rebel flags waving on the front porch, and they were proud. It is what it is.

The old man was covered with tattoos and scars
He got some in prison and others in bars
The rest he got workin' on old junk cars in the daytime
They looked like tombstones in our yard
And I never seen him when he wasn't tired and mean
He sold used parts to make ends meet
Covered with grease from his head to his feet
Cussin' the sweat and the Texas heat and mosquiters
And the neighbors said we lived like hicks
But they brung their cars for pa to fix anyhow
He was veteran-proud tried and true
He'd fought till his heart was black and blue
Didn't know how he'd made it through the hard times
He bought our house on the GI Bill
But it wasn't worth all he had to kill to git it
He drank pearl in a can and Jack Daniels black
Chewed tobacco from a mail pouch sack
Had an old dog that was trained to attack sometimes
He'd get drunk and mean as a rattlesnake
And there wasn't too much that he would take from a stranger
There were thirteen kids and a bunch of dogs
A house full of chickens and a yard full of hogs
I spent the summertime cuttin' up logs for the winter
Tryin' like the devil to find the Lord
Workin' like a ****** for my room and board
Coal-burin' stove no natural gas if that ain't country I'll kiss your ass
If that ain't country it'll hairlip the pope
If that ain't country it's a damn good joke
I've seen the Grand Ole Opry and I've met Johnny Cash
If that ain't country I'll kiss your ass
[ steel ]
Mama sells eggs at a grocery store my oldest sister is a first-rate whore
Dad says she can't come home anymore and he means it
Ma just sits and keeps her silence
Sister she left cause dad got violent and he knows it
Mama she's old far beyond her time
From chopping tobacco and I've seen her cryin'
When blood started flowin' from her calloused hand and it hurt me
She'd just keep workin' tryin' to help the old man
To the end of one row and back again like always
She's been through hell since junior went to jail
When the lights go out she ain't never failed
To get down on her knees and pray because she loves him
Told all the neighbors he was off in the war
Fightin' for freedom he's good to the core and she's proud
Now our place was a graveyard for automobiles
At the end of the porch there was four stacks of wheels
And tires for sale for a dollar or two cash
There was fifty holes in an old tin roof
Me and my family we was livin' proof
The people who forgot about poor white trash
And if that ain't country I'll kiss your ass
If that ain't country...
I'm thinking tonight of my blue eyes concerning the great speckled bird
I didn't know God made honky tonk angels and went back to the wild side of life.
 
QuickSilver said:
Personally, I've never been in a locker room shower that didn't have curtains.
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My junior high school had completely open showers. One of the worst times of life for many people and this is what we got. That and nasty gym teachers.
 

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