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The share of Americans medically obese is projected to rise to almost 50% by 2035
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David777
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Average adult eats way too much daily at meals, continually stretching, growing the size of their elastic stomach and gastrointestinal tract. The GI tract enlarges and contracts over time depending on how much we regularly consume, and that affects how hungry or content we feel. People also, given modern availability of food, eat too often, a self control issue because eating food is pleasurable and for many people about the only significant pleasure they have each day.
Physiologically, one does not need 3 meals a day plus frequent snacking. Most of our ancestors didn't primarily because meal preparation took more daily time, more effort, was often a limited resource, and lack of refrigeration limited much food that we take for granted in this modern era. Eating too often year after year also ages our body structure's at a higher rate due to more gastrointestinal tract cycles than human body's have optimally evolved to endure.
I only usually eat breakfast if on the road or if I will be busy at lunch or in the afternoon, as during hiking or skiing days. I am in no way hungry until noon, so that is an easy pattern to change to if one lets go of the pleasure factors. Otherwise, usually eat 2 meals a day but on some days will binge, especially on desserts.
Another issue is our packaged home use food market portions and our restaurant served portions are way too large. That is a recent pushed marketing phenomenon dogma that was not the case when I grew up. That also is a key negative factor on why in recent decades, food costs have risen beyond mere cost of living factors. We are eating larger portions than necessary just as those retailers keep pushing because they have bought into marketing $$$ wisdom that leads to higher profit margins, regardless of whether such is actually always true or healthy for society.
We modern humans are also eating far too much red meat and greasy foods because they are pleasurable. Our ancestors, except if they were nobles or the king didn't. The whole worldwide red meat industry is also a key factor in these way over-populated times that the planet is increasingly suffering. One does NOT need to eat a huge hamburger or pizza several times a week. It's all in your head, Blimpy.
Not considering wine or hard liquor, the average US adult consumes 10 ounces of beer daily, that is 1.25 cups of alcoholic liquid. However, many people rarely drink, so for those many that do drink and are obese those quantities are higher with some research showing those with high BMI's at 14-21 standard 12 ounce beer cans per week. Woh!
Note, this person does eat way too much sugar, though that does not affect my body weight much nor have I developed diabetes. And am not a fan of alcoholic beverages or its dominant embedded culture. I will drink a few sips of sweet wine occasionally.
Many of the supermarket packaged foods I buy, I will split contents in half if possible because the full contents are twice what this small person needs to feel full, given I have purposely reduced the average size of my GI tract. A few days ago bought a Trader Joe's small frozen pizza, supposedly for one person. Well it tasted great for being frozen but was twice the size I would have made given a choice as sawing the frozen size in half with a coping saw wasn't a reasonable option.
Physiologically, one does not need 3 meals a day plus frequent snacking. Most of our ancestors didn't primarily because meal preparation took more daily time, more effort, was often a limited resource, and lack of refrigeration limited much food that we take for granted in this modern era. Eating too often year after year also ages our body structure's at a higher rate due to more gastrointestinal tract cycles than human body's have optimally evolved to endure.
I only usually eat breakfast if on the road or if I will be busy at lunch or in the afternoon, as during hiking or skiing days. I am in no way hungry until noon, so that is an easy pattern to change to if one lets go of the pleasure factors. Otherwise, usually eat 2 meals a day but on some days will binge, especially on desserts.
Another issue is our packaged home use food market portions and our restaurant served portions are way too large. That is a recent pushed marketing phenomenon dogma that was not the case when I grew up. That also is a key negative factor on why in recent decades, food costs have risen beyond mere cost of living factors. We are eating larger portions than necessary just as those retailers keep pushing because they have bought into marketing $$$ wisdom that leads to higher profit margins, regardless of whether such is actually always true or healthy for society.
We modern humans are also eating far too much red meat and greasy foods because they are pleasurable. Our ancestors, except if they were nobles or the king didn't. The whole worldwide red meat industry is also a key factor in these way over-populated times that the planet is increasingly suffering. One does NOT need to eat a huge hamburger or pizza several times a week. It's all in your head, Blimpy.
Not considering wine or hard liquor, the average US adult consumes 10 ounces of beer daily, that is 1.25 cups of alcoholic liquid. However, many people rarely drink, so for those many that do drink and are obese those quantities are higher with some research showing those with high BMI's at 14-21 standard 12 ounce beer cans per week. Woh!
Note, this person does eat way too much sugar, though that does not affect my body weight much nor have I developed diabetes. And am not a fan of alcoholic beverages or its dominant embedded culture. I will drink a few sips of sweet wine occasionally.
Many of the supermarket packaged foods I buy, I will split contents in half if possible because the full contents are twice what this small person needs to feel full, given I have purposely reduced the average size of my GI tract. A few days ago bought a Trader Joe's small frozen pizza, supposedly for one person. Well it tasted great for being frozen but was twice the size I would have made given a choice as sawing the frozen size in half with a coping saw wasn't a reasonable option.
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hollydolly
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that's exactly how it was ....no fat people...
hollydolly
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Oh and the other thing is.. historically if people started to gain weight enough that it affected their bodies in the form of pain when they walked..they would diet..or take up exercise or both... now what happens in a lot of cases, they continue their unhealthy lifestyle, and just hop on a mobility scooter instead of walking.. which of course makes the problem much worse..
Then they claim disablity benefits....
Then they claim disablity benefits....
KSav
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I'm not sure why you targeted me in particular with this.
You must not read my posts. I've repeatedly mentioned that I quit drinking several months ago. But thanks for mansplaining.
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outlander
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@Della
I'm not judging anyone based on their weight. I'd guess the majority of overweight people wish they were slimmer, but fail to commit to do something about it. That is a lack of self discipline methinks?
If one chooses to be overweight and is happy with it, more power to them
Not meaning to offend anyone personally, but this thread was about an obesity problem in the USA. I was just pointing out one possible strategy that was straight forward and simple that requires a life style change and self discipline.
I'm not judging anyone based on their weight. I'd guess the majority of overweight people wish they were slimmer, but fail to commit to do something about it. That is a lack of self discipline methinks?
If one chooses to be overweight and is happy with it, more power to them
Not meaning to offend anyone personally, but this thread was about an obesity problem in the USA. I was just pointing out one possible strategy that was straight forward and simple that requires a life style change and self discipline.
MarciKS
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I put on weight cuz of my COPD. Plus my dietary habits are not great. I try.
Dr.Colosso
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I gained weight and wanted to lose it so I went to the Dutch Nutrition centre app to put in there what I ate, count calories.
What's your weight? Height? Filled it in. App: Are you sure? You gained a lot in a year. Me annoyed: yes I'm sure.
Oh well don't worry. Maybe you are not even overweight. You're just growing.
Growing?? Over 50? Shrinking maybe.
LOL the year before my thin teen son had used the app cause he wanted to gain muscle and weight. App thought I was a teen boy. I changed the age and changed it to female.
App: You're obese. Lose weight.
Hey!! Where are the sympathetic don't worry sweatheart words now? Bozo app! It discriminates lol.
horseless carriage
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It was about nobody but myself. Compliments to you though, well done.I'm not sure why you targeted me in particular with this.
You must not read my posts. I've repeatedly mentioned that I quit drinking several months ago. But thanks for mansplaining.
KSav
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I apologize, @horseless carriage. Because you quoted my post I assumed you were addressing me specifically.
I shouldn't have been snarky. I'm having a tough day and should have stayed offline today.
off topic, but I've seen this vid before, and the girl in the white mini dress and black belt, second row, certainly catches a young man's eye. Or an old man's. Just sayin'...
asp3
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I agree with Irishdude, I think with the reduction in price for GLP1 drugs obesity will start going down eventually.
I also agree with the people who say that it isn't a simple self discipline problem. There are certain behaviors some people need extra help to overcome and overeating is one of them. They need to learn to think a different way in order to be able to combat their overeating. It isn't a simple matter of them not being interested in eating in a more healthy way.
However one thing that I will say is that some people who do get help to change the way they eat decide it's too difficult or unpleasant and choose to ignore or reject the things they've learned. however that might be just another aspect of what made them overweight in the first place.
I also agree with the people who say that it isn't a simple self discipline problem. There are certain behaviors some people need extra help to overcome and overeating is one of them. They need to learn to think a different way in order to be able to combat their overeating. It isn't a simple matter of them not being interested in eating in a more healthy way.
However one thing that I will say is that some people who do get help to change the way they eat decide it's too difficult or unpleasant and choose to ignore or reject the things they've learned. however that might be just another aspect of what made them overweight in the first place.
Dr.Colosso
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It's so easy to become overweight when you're older. For women hormones try to make you keep the fat around your stomach. My parents would go on a diet together in their 50s to be thin for my sister's wedding. They'd go jogging.
My mom was always on a 1000 kcalorie diet. Dad just skipped sweets and pie and zjoot 5 kilo gone in a few weeks. My mom was so jealous. She lost it too, but not that fast. It was way more work. He was way taller, muscle, a man. Men may eat way more. He could just eat normal.
No way she could eat that much.
If you let it get out of hand it's not easy to get it off. If you eat 1500 kcalories as an older woman (men may eat 2000 or so), so bread with cheese for breakfast and lunch and dinner cooked potatoes, vegetables, meat or cheese or beans, you stay like that. If you want to get the fat off you have to skip breakfast or dinner or go train.
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Dr.Colosso
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This is from the Netherlands:
Government measures against overweight
Overweight and obesity are major public health problems. The national government wants to do more to prevent and reduce overweight and obesity. For example, by promoting healthy eating, making sports and exercise more attractive, and ensuring a healthier (eating) environment and better healthcare.
The government wants no more than 38% of adults to be overweight by 2040. And no more than 9.1% of young people. The National Prevention Agreement contains measures against overweight and obesity. The government is working with other parties to achieve this.
Healthy eating by:
encouraging consumers to buy more products in the supermarket that fit the Wheel of Five. For example, by communicating which products fit the Wheel of Five and making the healthy choice the easy choice;
making it clear to consumers which products are a better choice compared to similar products. To this end, the Nutri-Score food choice logo will be introduced on January 1, 2024; Reduce the number of calories and sugar in soft drinks, cookies, candy, chocolate, and dairy products. The target is to sell 30% fewer calories from soft drinks by 2025 compared to 2012;
Ensure that drinking water is easily accessible by installing additional water points in public places and schools.
Increase sports and exercise by:
Making a healthy lifestyle with more exercise more common in childcare. Half of childcare locations will soon be required to have a trained health professional;
Make it easier to cycle to school or work.
A healthier (eating) environment and better care by:
Healthier childcare, sports canteens, school canteens, amusement parks, company restaurants, etc. Approximately 60% of municipalities are JOGG municipalities. This number should increase. JOGG municipalities organize activities in the neighborhood and work with municipalities to create a healthy environment for children;
Work together on the health of young people, appropriate support, and care for overweight children; Adults can be coached to assess their lifestyle. They can receive a combined lifestyle intervention.
Making healthy weight normal for young people
When a healthy lifestyle is commonplace in the community, children and young people are more likely to have a healthy weight. Therefore, municipalities organize neighborhood activities and work towards a healthy environment for children. For example, by making sports canteens healthier.
Healthy schools
Schools (primary, secondary, and vocational) can earn a Healthy School label. Schools with this label always focus on healthy eating or more sports and exercise. Does your school need some help obtaining this label? Then it can receive (financial) support from the Healthy School program.
Healthy school canteens
Students should be able to choose healthy food and drinks more easily. That's why schools are increasingly making the offerings in school canteens healthier. They are also increasingly incorporating the topic of healthy eating into their policy plans. The Healthy School Canteen program of the Netherlands Nutrition Centre supports schools in this.
Healthy childcare
A healthy lifestyle should be a daily practice, even in childcare. Children develop their taste buds during the first few years of life. These years also determine how much they move. That's why there are free training courses for staff at preschools, such as childcare centers and playgroups, so they know how healthy childcare works.
Government measures against overweight
Overweight and obesity are major public health problems. The national government wants to do more to prevent and reduce overweight and obesity. For example, by promoting healthy eating, making sports and exercise more attractive, and ensuring a healthier (eating) environment and better healthcare.
The government wants no more than 38% of adults to be overweight by 2040. And no more than 9.1% of young people. The National Prevention Agreement contains measures against overweight and obesity. The government is working with other parties to achieve this.
Healthy eating by:
encouraging consumers to buy more products in the supermarket that fit the Wheel of Five. For example, by communicating which products fit the Wheel of Five and making the healthy choice the easy choice;
making it clear to consumers which products are a better choice compared to similar products. To this end, the Nutri-Score food choice logo will be introduced on January 1, 2024; Reduce the number of calories and sugar in soft drinks, cookies, candy, chocolate, and dairy products. The target is to sell 30% fewer calories from soft drinks by 2025 compared to 2012;
Ensure that drinking water is easily accessible by installing additional water points in public places and schools.
Increase sports and exercise by:
Making a healthy lifestyle with more exercise more common in childcare. Half of childcare locations will soon be required to have a trained health professional;
Make it easier to cycle to school or work.
A healthier (eating) environment and better care by:
Healthier childcare, sports canteens, school canteens, amusement parks, company restaurants, etc. Approximately 60% of municipalities are JOGG municipalities. This number should increase. JOGG municipalities organize activities in the neighborhood and work with municipalities to create a healthy environment for children;
Work together on the health of young people, appropriate support, and care for overweight children; Adults can be coached to assess their lifestyle. They can receive a combined lifestyle intervention.
Making healthy weight normal for young people
When a healthy lifestyle is commonplace in the community, children and young people are more likely to have a healthy weight. Therefore, municipalities organize neighborhood activities and work towards a healthy environment for children. For example, by making sports canteens healthier.
Healthy schools
Schools (primary, secondary, and vocational) can earn a Healthy School label. Schools with this label always focus on healthy eating or more sports and exercise. Does your school need some help obtaining this label? Then it can receive (financial) support from the Healthy School program.
Healthy school canteens
Students should be able to choose healthy food and drinks more easily. That's why schools are increasingly making the offerings in school canteens healthier. They are also increasingly incorporating the topic of healthy eating into their policy plans. The Healthy School Canteen program of the Netherlands Nutrition Centre supports schools in this.
Healthy childcare
A healthy lifestyle should be a daily practice, even in childcare. Children develop their taste buds during the first few years of life. These years also determine how much they move. That's why there are free training courses for staff at preschools, such as childcare centers and playgroups, so they know how healthy childcare works.
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I think the focus on limiting highly processed foods etc and all the talk of junk foods, some may make some changes.
I often wonder about these claims all the time is some " study" or whatever.
I look at
A) what are they selling? ( glp-1 drugs)
B) what was their criteria if it was a study?
"Studies" in US especially is all about grants and in many cases, I think show waste and fraud / abuse of program.
I often wonder about these claims all the time is some " study" or whatever.
I look at
A) what are they selling? ( glp-1 drugs)
B) what was their criteria if it was a study?
"Studies" in US especially is all about grants and in many cases, I think show waste and fraud / abuse of program.
Ronni
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I am annoyed (not at anyone here!!!) that overall the focus continues to be about obesity and overweight, and drug companies are all eager to jump on the semaglutide bandwagon and make a fortune, because who doesn’t want an easy fix to overweight? No calorie counting, deprivation, no exercise or weight lifting or calisthenics or even walking! Just pay some money for this drug and the weight will just melt off.
So people do that! Quick fix. However what they do eat is still junk, unbalanced meals, processed food and sweet…just less of it because their appetite has been suppressed. And of course as soon as they stop dosing themselves, the weight just piles back on.
There is so much focus on overweight and so little comparative focus on health! It IS possible to weigh more than society dictates but be healthy anyway. Healthy in that your blood numbers are good, you’re not diseased, you are active and fit. No, you’re not at the “appropriate” weight or BMI, but you’re healthy.
There are so many folks out there who have achieved their own ideal weight, but are still ruining their bodies because their lifestyle choices do nothing to support good health. I know several personally. And it’s sad because while they’re thrilled with their appearance, their weight loss has done little for their overall health.
At the end of the day, good health is one of the key factors that allows us to enjoy life as we continue on into our golden years, and one of the things we mourn the loss of when we lose it.
So people do that! Quick fix. However what they do eat is still junk, unbalanced meals, processed food and sweet…just less of it because their appetite has been suppressed. And of course as soon as they stop dosing themselves, the weight just piles back on.
There is so much focus on overweight and so little comparative focus on health! It IS possible to weigh more than society dictates but be healthy anyway. Healthy in that your blood numbers are good, you’re not diseased, you are active and fit. No, you’re not at the “appropriate” weight or BMI, but you’re healthy.
There are so many folks out there who have achieved their own ideal weight, but are still ruining their bodies because their lifestyle choices do nothing to support good health. I know several personally. And it’s sad because while they’re thrilled with their appearance, their weight loss has done little for their overall health.
At the end of the day, good health is one of the key factors that allows us to enjoy life as we continue on into our golden years, and one of the things we mourn the loss of when we lose it.
I have two family members who are taking GLP-1's. One says they will take it forever. The other took it for a few weeks but suffered miserable side effects and has discontinued use (I think). Both say it helped because they lost their interest in food and don't eat as much. Personally, I don't trust that it is safe. Like the covid vax debacle.
I have fought weight all of my life. It is a lifestyle change. No candy, sodas, ice cream, cake, donuts, alcohol. NONE! For 17 years. Well, except for a bottle of bubbly as a celebration a couple of weeks ago. And about once a year a small portion of ice cream and maybe pizza. No potatoes or deep fried, breaded anything. Lean meats broiled, boiled or baked, mostly de-skinned chicken and fish, rarely beef, never pork (easy, since I don't like it). Rice or pasta maybe once every two months. In the past 2.5 years, I have eaten out twice.
When I read on here about the foods so many are having, I admit to being jealous. I am 5'3", 128 lbs, 74 years old
I have fought weight all of my life. It is a lifestyle change. No candy, sodas, ice cream, cake, donuts, alcohol. NONE! For 17 years. Well, except for a bottle of bubbly as a celebration a couple of weeks ago. And about once a year a small portion of ice cream and maybe pizza. No potatoes or deep fried, breaded anything. Lean meats broiled, boiled or baked, mostly de-skinned chicken and fish, rarely beef, never pork (easy, since I don't like it). Rice or pasta maybe once every two months. In the past 2.5 years, I have eaten out twice.
When I read on here about the foods so many are having, I admit to being jealous. I am 5'3", 128 lbs, 74 years old
hollydolly
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that's probably what doctors would deem the ideal weight for your height... do you think ?
Dr.Colosso
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You don't know what you can trust. For years they demonized animal fat, but sugar was fine. And now: oh it was just because the sugar business wanted to make money.
If you skip sugar and chips and just eat unprocessed food like in the 70s it's way easier to not crave food. Who craves carrots? Well except for my rabbits. What my parents also always did when they were dieting was simply buy nothing. Only healthy food. No cookies or other nonsense.
horseless carriage
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"I truly appreciate your post. Your apology displays a level of maturity that is most admirable.. It demonstrates that you are, as the best thinkers are, more interested in truth than in being right. Thank you and I hope that today is a much better day for you.
Tazx
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I think the numbers are already around 68 percent in Can/US. Plus what is the number of people overweight but not obese? I have read in Canada its near 83 percent of all people are obese or overweight. Thats not good. How did we get here?
Yes people can say lifestyle changes. We are more sedentary. Some say bad food. Absolutely! Garbage food everywhere and full of additives that make it hard to avoid/resist. Sure. Many reasons for this change in humanity.
I can understand there are several factors involved in obesity, but it does come down to calories in-calories out. If you sit on your butt all day and eat 3000 calories...what do you think will happen. Heck with all the running and gym work my wife and I do, we still eat only about 1500-1700 calories.
I always wondered where personal accountability went? Where is the self respect? If you take out the 3.7 percent of people that have a predisposition to obesity (they say), and the maybe 7 percent that have issues that could cause or assist becoming overweight or obese (low metabolic rate), that still leaves about 90 percent of the overweight/obese to ask themselves...why?
Its not good for your body or mind and I think too many people rely on the medical system to help them. But how about they help themselves, by taking responsibility for it, and be strong enough to make the needed changes.
Now, it may sound like I'm being mean or non caring, but I am not. I mean no disrespect to anyone. But, there is no other way to really say it. I mean there is a famous saying, "We are what we eat/you are what you eat!" Is there not?
Best of health to everyone!
Yes people can say lifestyle changes. We are more sedentary. Some say bad food. Absolutely! Garbage food everywhere and full of additives that make it hard to avoid/resist. Sure. Many reasons for this change in humanity.
I can understand there are several factors involved in obesity, but it does come down to calories in-calories out. If you sit on your butt all day and eat 3000 calories...what do you think will happen. Heck with all the running and gym work my wife and I do, we still eat only about 1500-1700 calories.
I always wondered where personal accountability went? Where is the self respect? If you take out the 3.7 percent of people that have a predisposition to obesity (they say), and the maybe 7 percent that have issues that could cause or assist becoming overweight or obese (low metabolic rate), that still leaves about 90 percent of the overweight/obese to ask themselves...why?
Its not good for your body or mind and I think too many people rely on the medical system to help them. But how about they help themselves, by taking responsibility for it, and be strong enough to make the needed changes.
Now, it may sound like I'm being mean or non caring, but I am not. I mean no disrespect to anyone. But, there is no other way to really say it. I mean there is a famous saying, "We are what we eat/you are what you eat!" Is there not?
Best of health to everyone!
Dr.Colosso
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An ex was overweight. He once lost 3 kilo. His mom: Oh you look so bad! Way too skinny! (he weighed 120 kilo) And she'd stuff him full with a gigantic load of meat. The whole family was obese. No wonder. We once saw a tv program there of a guy who lost a load of weight. His mom: oh no skinny looks bad. Obese looks much better. The guy on tv had been morbidly obese.
I think a lot don't even know how to eat healthy. If they are raised with junk food, loads of food and never a cooked potato or something, someone has to teach them. I just saw it on reddit. A guy said his gf quit eating trash, but now she ate loads of nuts and peanuts instead and he had the nerve to say that it doesn't work if you don't take less calories and she got mad at him.
In the Netherlands we now have fat tax, meat tax, sugar tax, 30 percent less sugar in drinks and they want to teach schools and childcare places. Apparently a lot of parents don't teach their kids how to eat healthy and to move and daddy government has to do it.
Babs2u
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Gym class has been eliminated in many schools, and staring at a cell phone doesn;t burn many calories.