United States and Israel attack Iran Early Saturday Morning

hollydolly said:
will someone tell me ?
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No one in this forum can tell you anything definitive because none of us knows the REAL reason this happened. It would be purely speculative and, in some cases, conspiracy theories.

I will say this, if it was truly to create a democratic government in Iran, the Shah hasn't been in power for years and has no political clout, influence or ties with those in government. The Ayatollah's people are still in power and a new regime could very well be created quickly. Is the US in a position to try to create a "puppet government visa vie Venezuela? I think not. Meanwhile, we have increased the threat of terrorist events in the US and other countries.

If it was to eliminate a potential military threat, weren't we told after the previous attack several months ago that we had destroyed all their nuclear capabilities. So why another attack?

It is great to see the citizens of Iran celebrating the Ayatollah's death, but they are just looking at the short-term. Extended activity in Iran could see their power grid go out, more civilian deaths, etc. I admire the citizens of Iran for protesting against the horrible conditions dictated under the current regime, but it clearly hasn't worked. That said, another country taking out the Supreme Leader isn't going to do it either. I hope to be proven wrong in the long term.
 
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seadoug said:
If it was to eliminate a potential military threat, weren't we told after the previous attack several months ago that we had destroyed all their nuclear capabilities. So why another attack?
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Yes and no. The issue was ability to build a nuclear "bomb", in the near term. Further issue would be "dirty" bombs, with material that was stored elsewhere.

It has been speculated the 2020 attack on the U.S. base in Iraq, may have been low yield radiological material, although not fully acknowledged.

In 1987, Hashemi Rafsanjani, then-president of Iran, suggestively stated the following:
With regard to chemical, bacteriological, and radiological weapons training, it was made very clear during the war that these weapons are very decisive. It was also made very clear that the moral teachings of the world are not very effective when war reaches a serious stage; the world does not respect its own resolutions, and closes its eyes to the violations and all the aggressions which are committed on the battlefield. . . . We should fully equip ourselves in the defensive and offensive use of chemical, bacteriological, and radiological weapons.
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Neville Chamberlain declared peace in our time and was wildly popular in Britain, until 9-1939. Should we have waited until Iran had ballistic missiles equipped with nuclear weapons?
 
seadoug said:
No one in this forum can tell you anything definitive because none of us knows the REAL reason this happened. It would be purely speculative and, in some cases, conspiracy theories.

I will say this, if it was truly to create a democratic government in Iran, the Shah hasn't been in power for years and has no political clout, influence or ties with those in government. The Ayatollah's people are still in power and a new regime could very well be created quickly. Is the US in a position to try to create a "puppet government visa vie Venezuela? I think not. Meanwhile, we have increased the threat of terrorist events in the US and other countries.

If it was to eliminate a potential military threat, weren't we told after the previous attack several months ago that we had destroyed all their nuclear capabilities. So why another attack?

It is great to see the citizens of Iran celebrating the Ayatollah's death, but they are just looking at the short-term. Extended activity in Iran could see their power grid go out, more civilian deaths, etc. I admire the citizens of Iran for protesting against the horrible conditions dictated under the current regime, but it clearly hasn't worked. That said, another country taking out the Supreme Leader isn't going to do it either. I hope to be proven wrong in the long term.
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Time will tell a lot of this.
As far at the reason? For one Iran has attacked every free nation and was threatening to attack the US. Was it to shut down the largest terrorist machine? Sure.
And yes their nuclear facilities were bombed but they went right back at it.
Were there other reasons? I am sure. Was it to control the flow of oil? I am thinking that is one of the reasons.
The Iranian people have been asking for America for help for years.
Part of controlling the flow of oil is to have friendly government in power.
 
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Here we go! "Casualties of war" I suppose, except this is not supposed to be a "war". It's supposed to be a quick blitz attack. :rolleyes:

U.S. Central Command said Sunday that three American service members were killed and five others were seriously wounded during Operation Epic Fury, the joint U.S.-Israeli military operation against Iran.

"Several others sustained minor shrapnel injuries and concussions — and are in the process of being returned to duty," CENTCOM said in a post on social media.
 
As an American I have been wondering if we see the same news about these events as they are reported around the world.
It is hard to keep it from being political when you see how the news media reports thing here in the U.S..
But if I commented on what is being reported I’m sure that the moderators wouldn’t find it acceptable.
I meant unacceptable, Sorry!
 
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GP44 said:
As an American I have been wondering if we see the same news about these events as they are reported around the world.
It is hard to keep it from being political when you see how the news media reports thing here in the U.S..
But if I commented on what is being reported I’m sure that the moderators wouldn’t find it acceptable.
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That's why I'm also in a political forum. I've learned much more there than I would ever learn from mainstream media because each member is required to provide legitimate sources for any claims they make. I've actually learned a few things from having to support my own posts.
 
hollydolly said:
maybe ... but it's only been the US and the Uk they've attacked..if they start attacking.. any other Northern European country.. or Canada, Australia and NZ.. then I'll believe it... :(
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The Iranians were up to mischief in Australia in 2025.
Tehran’s incitement is not news to Iranian and Jewish communities - ABC Religion & Ethics

On Tuesday, 26 August, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese took an extraordinary diplomatic step: he declared Iran’s ambassador to Canberra persona non grata, ordered senior Iranian diplomats to leave the country immediately, and suspended operations in Australia’s embassy in Tehran.

The prime minister made this announcement while standing next to the Mike Burgess, the director-general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), which had made the assessment that Tehran’s security services — principally the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) — used intermediaries to direct at least two antisemitic attacks on Australian soil. These were the arson attack on Lewis’ Continental Kitchen in Sydney last October, and the firebombing of the Adass Israel Synagogue in Melbourne last December. “These were”, the prime minister said, “extraordinary and dangerous acts of aggression orchestrated by a foreign nation on Australian soil.”
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seadoug said:
Here we go! "Casualties of war" I suppose, except this is not supposed to be a "war". It's supposed to be a quick blitz attack. :rolleyes:

U.S. Central Command said Sunday that three American service members were killed and five others were seriously wounded during Operation Epic Fury, the joint U.S.-Israeli military operation against Iran.

"Several others sustained minor shrapnel injuries and concussions — and are in the process of being returned to duty," CENTCOM said in a post on social media.
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They didn't detail on the news how they were killed or injured, which is typical.

After doing extensive research (I asked AI), this is what I found...
The fatalities occurred after Iranian retaliatory strikes hit a U.S. Army facility in Kuwait (Camp Arifjan).
 
Oil prices rise as Iran war threatens shipping through strait of Hormuz
Brent crude jumped by 13% during early trading and stock markets came under pressure as US-Israeli strikes on Iran raised fears of disruption.

Great.
 
All of these people talking about Palestine vs Israel and that isn’t considered political?
First off you know that people are taking sides in that conflict even though it isn’t even in the news now!
Watch me get banned for reporting that the all of the news media in America is showing these so called antiwar protesters marching around but at the bottom of the professionally designed signs they are carrying they all say (Socialists for Liberation) .
Now that is just part of what is going on over here so if it sounds political it is just not as political as these peoples opinions of who is right Palestine or Isreal!
As far as anything else in the Middle East or America- like they say we must wait and see what will happen.
 
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GP44 said:
All of these people talking about Palestine vs Israel and that isn’t considered political?
First off you know that people are taking sides in that conflict even though it isn’t even in the news now!
Watch me get banned for reporting that the all of the news media in America is showing these so called antiwar protesters marching around but at the bottom of the professionally designed signs they are carrying they all say (Socialists for Liberation) .
Now that is just part of what is going on over here so if it sounds political it is just not as political as these peoples opinions of who is right Palestine or Isreal!
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You should not get banned if you do not mention the name of a politician or political party or call it left or right or conservative or liberal. Just current events. Just saying that people have different opinions is not political.
 
I feel very sad right now. A song is playing in my head, over and over.

"Where have all the flowers gone?" by Pete Seeger

where have all the flowers gone song - Search Videos

When will we ever learn the lessons of history? My grandfather served as a horse soldier during the Great War, and every one of his sons volunteered for service in WWII. Two of the five lie in graves in foreign lands. "The war to end all wars" was an empty lie. Peace is an illusion. :cry:
 
hollydolly said:
maybe ... but it's only been the US and the Uk they've attacked..if they start attacking.. any other Northern European country.. or Canada, Australia and NZ.. then I'll believe it... :(
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I agree with you 100%, the attack against the UK was deliberate.
At this rate, I wouldn't put anything past them. If given the opportunity, they will strike the rest of the world.

This thing is far from over.
 
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One The worlds' Biggest Oil Refineries has been Bombed.....

Saudi Arabia has dramatically halted operations at its huge Ras Tanura refinery - one of the world's biggest oil facilities - after an Iranian drone strike earlier today.

Iran has rejected an ultimatum by Donald Trump to lay down its weapons after two days of fighting and launched new attacks on Israel and across the Middle East.

The Saudi defence ministry has confirmed two missiles were intercepted and destroyed at the plant which produces around 550,000 barrels per day and is a cornerstone of the kingdom's energy sector.

One Middle East expert said the attack marked a 'significant escalation' by Iran and meant Saudi Arabia would be drawn closer into joining the US and Israel in military operations against Tehran.

The latest attack comes on as the US-Israel war with Iran enters its third day: Here's what you need to know:

  • Iran rejects Trump's ultimatum to lay down weapons and launches new attacks on Israel and Gulf states
  • Several US warplanes crash near Kuwait embassy but crews survive
  • Israel launches new strikes on Tehran and Lebanon's capital Beirut after Hezbollah fires missiles across the border
  • British RAF base in Cyprus is attacked by drone and Dubai rocked by new explosions
  • The UK is drawing up rescue plans for up to 300,000 Britons trapped in countries targeted by Iran

US military insiders have warned America's stockpile of missiles and interceptors could run dry if his war in Iran is prolonged
 
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