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Bob, you have posted before that US homicide rates are falling but I have answered that the same effect, with the exception of domestic violence, can be seen in Austalia too.

A more interesting question to explore is what has caused the decline in violent crime?

No-one seems to know the reason but many have been put forward.
Here are some that I have found.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Justice Statistics both collect crime data at the end of each year and issue reports throughout the year. Final statistics for 2014 won’t be available for several months.

But the trend lines are clear: The number of violent crimes has declined since 2006, according to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program. The number of violent crimes committed per 100,000 people has been dropping even longer, from a high of 758 in 1991 to 367.9 in 2013. The rate hasn’t topped 500 per 100,000 people since 2001.

James Alan Fox, a crime statistics expert and professor of criminology, law and public policy at Northeastern University, pointed to four major factors contributing to the falling crime rate across the country:

— Long prison sentences, which have lengthened on average since sentencing reform initiatives in many states in the 1990s, have kept more criminals behind bars, albeit at a significant cost to state budgets.

— Improved community policing strategies are sending cops to places where crime is more likely to occur, as a prevention method. Technologies like video surveillance and acoustic sensors, which can hear gunshots before residents report a crime, are improving police response, too.

— A changing drug market has plunged the cost of heroin near historic lows, reducing crime associated with the drug trade. Pollack added that the end of the crack epidemic of the 1990s and 2000s has also contributed to a decline in drug-related violence.

— And an aging population is less likely to commit crimes. The fastest growing segment of the population is seniors, an age at which far fewer crimes are committed.

Academics advance other theories for the falling crime rate, ranging from the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade legalizing abortion, the declining use of lead paint and improvements in medical technologies used in emergency rooms, which can save lives that would otherwise have been lost.

“Because the crime drop is being seen in so many places, one should be a bit skeptical of any particular police chief claiming that it is because of what his or her department is doing or any lawmaker claiming that some new legislation is responsible,” Fox said. “While local efforts may contribute, that the pattern is widespread tends to suggest global factors, not so much local initiatives.”


Not every major city is basking in the glow of lower crime rates. A rash of shootings between Dec. 23 and the end of the year brought the number of murders in Washington, D.C., to 105 in 2014, the second consecutive year of triple-digit murders, after the nation’s capital hit a half-century low in 2012.
The number of homicides in Los Angeles reached 254 last year, up four from 2013 and the first increase in 12 years. Those statistics may actually understate the real number: A Los Angeles Times investigation earlier this year found the Los Angeles Police Department misclassified about 1,200 violent crimes as more minor offenses in a recent one-year period.
Indianapolis, Austin, Pittsburgh, El Paso and Memphis all saw rates rise.
But even in El Paso, long ranked as America’s safest big city, there’s reason for optimism: While the number of murders rose from 11 in 2013 to 20 in 2014, crime rates in neighboring Ciudad Juarez, across the Mexican border, are falling. After recording an incredible 3,500 killings in 2010, the number of homicides fell to an estimated 424 in the last year, amid a dramatically increased presence by Mexican military forces aimed at stamping out the drug war.
“Declining crime implies a larger number of police officers per crime. So violence is easier to suppress. Crimes are easier to solve,” Pollack said. “If we are lucky, this is a self-reinforcing process.”

Forbes magazine talks along similar lines

Interestingly, the public remains largely unaware of this trend. In every annual Gallup poll since 2003, a majority of American adults have said that crime is rising. And in a 2013 poll, 56% of Americans said that the number of gun crimes is higher than it was two decades ago—even though gun violence peaked in 1993. The public also clings to outdated notions about which cities are the most dangerous. Although New York City’s violent crime rate is about half that of Dallas or Houston, survey respondents continue to rank New York as the second-most unsafe city in the country and Dallas and Houston as the safest.



Experts are well-aware of this trend and have generated a multitude of theories, none of which hold up under scrutiny. The prosperity thesis argues that crime rates fall when economic conditions improve and rise when the economy sours. While this reasoning seemed to explain falling crime rates during the economic boom of the late ‘90s, it doesn’t explain why crime continued to fall during the recent recession.

Another set of explanations credits changes to the criminal justice system. According to the incarceration argument, crime has declined because more potential offenders are behind bars. But crime rates have continued to fall in states that have lowered their incarceration rates. And the incarceration rate of young offenders is going down (as the rate of older offenders goes up). Another argument is that the death penalty deters criminals. But capital punishment has been in decline since the early ‘00s—and crime rates have continued to fall. Others credit a larger police presence and improved policing tactics. Yet if this were the main driver, we would expect to see dramatic city-by-city differences based on which cities implemented these new tactics—but we don’t see much variation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2015/05/28/whats-behind-the-decline-in-crime/
 

It is our Constitution that gives us this right to arms. It is our Constitution and the way our laws are working to show for several years the death rate from guns is going down.
 
Bob, homicides are not the total picture. I don't want to live in a society where people are frequently being shot at, whether or not they are being hit.
Talk about living in a state of constant nervous tension. Why would anyone want that?

Things like this recent Colorado shooting are extensively covered by the media, and give some people the notion that the U.S. is like living in a war zone. In reality, the US ranks quite low in its overall homicide rate, compared to many nations....several of whom have rather strict gun laws. If we could eliminate the drug and street gang related shootings, the U.S. would be one of the safest, and least violent nations on the planet.

http://www.data360.org/graph_group.aspx?Graph_Group_Id=441

Most of these mass shootings in recent years have been committed by people with a long history of Mental Issues. THAT is the issue, along with drug gangs, that Should Be getting our nations attention.
 
Most of these mass shootings in recent years have been committed by people with a long history of Mental Issues. THAT is the issue, along with drug gangs, that Should Be getting our nations attention.

But nothing to do with the ease of obtaining firearms... lack of background checks and gun show loopholes.. that allow these crazy people to get guns.
 
Warri, those of us in the commonwealth don't want to love in such a society. We have our share of mentally disturbed persons
also, yet they refrain from massacring people on an almost weekly basis. I think a certain national desensitisation inevitably occurs when such attacks become systemic.
 
Warrigal, why are you making our existence into a very bad one when it is not? Except for some cities with large gang neighborhoods we are living pretty well and with out guns firing over us. I say it again. If nothing better to post about than we should give up our guns, you might as well just move along.

We are doing quite well as it is. No reason to just think we can just outlaw a Constitutional privilege on a whim. Not many of our lawmakers are going after that movement at all. Many of the Democrats are avid gun owners as well as the Republicans and independents.
 
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Warrigal, why are you making our existence into a very bad one when it is not? Except for some cities with large gang neighborhoods we are living pretty well and with out guns firing over us. I say it again. If nothing better to post about than we should give up our guns, you might as well just move along.

We are doing quite well as it is. No reason to just think we can just outlaw a Constitutional privilege on a whim. Not many of our lawmakers are going after that movement at all. Many of the Democrats are avid gun owners as well as the Republicans and independents.​




Yes Warrigal..... Move along... Bob doesn't like your opinions..
 
I'd say the families of the unnecessary 'death by guns' victims would not agree that we are doing so well, people that are afraid to get into a crowded situation for fear of being shot would not say we were doing so well or the crippled and maimed by gun shot would not say they are doing so well.

I would hope that NO ONE on this forum has to 'move on' because they disagree with you, bob!
 
I'd say the families of the unnecessary 'death by guns' victims would not agree that we are doing so well, people that are afraid to get into a crowded situation for fear of being shot would not say we were doing so well or the crippled and maimed by gun shot would not say they are doing so well.

I would hope that NO ONE on this forum has to 'move on' because they disagree with you, bob!

Some people would say that it's only the "lefties" and "Democrats" that are intolerant of other peoples' opinions... and want to drive them away...
 
I give part of the blame for the killing on the people who put out false info, about Planned Parenthood clinics.

This kind false info, can and does incite unbalanced people.

False and misleading info. should be something to be avoided, not used. It can start wars and get people killed.
 
I give part of the blame for the killing on the people who put out false info, about Planned Parenthood clinics.

This kind false info, can and does incite unbalanced people.

False and misleading info. should be something to be avoided, not used. It can start wars and get people killed.

I totally agree... and said so in post #8. This is where the blame should be placed for this incident.

The GOP and the Candidates have incited this by their constant rhetoric about Planned Parenthood and the unrelenting attempts to shut it down by defunding. Including the lie told by Carly Fiorina regarding the bogus "baby body part selling" video. It was just a matter of time before some nut-job decided to take the matter into his own hands. Of course you will not hear a peep out of the candidates because denouncing this violence against PP will likely cost them the votes of the 30% of Republicans that agree with them. Can't have that...
 
This constant position that it is all the problem of the Republicans that is the problem. How so the Republicans. Are you folks just saying that only the Republicans are Christians and the rest are just numb headed and have no opinions about birth or abortions. That is totally dumb and inaccurate.

I and my wife are both Christians, she a Catholic and they are by religion against abortions. But in reality, she was willing to travel to another country if necessary. But then we had this horrid idea of OKing abortions in these family clinics. But our need never occurred so we never had to make that decision. There is not reason for those folks wanting to end the freedom to do so. If they don't want to do that just step back and let it happen for others. Those folks are really not representing the general population about this action.

I suppose that all Catholics that are also Democrats really don't think about their lives and economy and just keep pumping out babies every year. That is not at all a truth as many like my wife don't want to die of child birth as a friend of mine wife did. No need for her to have died but to please her beiliefs of religion she chose to die rather than to avoid the problem early enough to avoid such an end.

It is not just the Republicans that want that law changed at all.
 




Yes Warrigal..... Move along... Bob doesn't like your opinions..

Not true at all. Warrigal and I go back many years. She does have some good ideas. My point was and is, she is attacking our Constitution and there is nothing she can do to get that changed. Just not a thing any of us can do about guns until it becomes an item of the Congress to take on. That is hard to do when many of our Democrats and many of our Republicans agree to not mess with the Constitution. Warrigal is welcome to post here but I am saying it is a waste to spend time on the US consideration for guns being OK.
 

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