I am an Atheist and always have been.

[VaughanJB]

So, the US government released some previously withheld documents and videos (all very grainy and somewhat vague) regarding UFO's yesterday.

Which got me thinking.

IF it was proven beings from another planet are real, and IF they had either an entirely different creator, or no creator at all in their stories/books - would those with a belief in God as our creator have to question their belief, or would they assume that God must have done some uncredited work?

 

[Messy]

So, the US government released some previously withheld documents and videos (all very grainy and somewhat vague) regarding UFO's yesterday.

Which got me thinking.

IF it was proven beings from another planet are real, and IF they had either an entirely different creator, or no creator at all in their stories/books - would those with a belief in God as our creator have to question their belief, or would they assume that God must have done some uncredited work?

No. I had read that they would release it. Aliens are demons. Demons are the offspring of watchers from the book of Enoch and Genesis 6 (the sons of God) and women, the giants. Most people think that story is insane. I believe it though. Romans, Greek also have stories about Zeus and whoever, giants. I believe that has a base in something.

People who said they had been abducted by aliens, a guy investigated these stories and if someone called on the Name of Jesus the abduction stopped.

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[VaughanJB]

No. I had read that they would release it. Aliens are demons. Demons are the offspring of watchers from the book of Enoch and Genesis 6 (the sons of God) and women, the giants. Most people think that story is insane. I believe it though. Romans, Greek also have stories about Zeus and whoever, giants. I believe that has a base in something.

People who said they had been abducted by aliens, a guy investigated these stories and if a christian called on the Name of Jesus the abduction stopped.

Right, but you are entitled to your own, earthly beliefs. But I'm saying - what if the aliens had no history of a God belief of any kind, and instead had some other belief outside of a deity.

You seem to be suggesting that you'd ignore their belief, since you already believe they're demons, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

 

[Messy]

Right, but you are entitled to your own, earthly beliefs. But I'm saying - what if the aliens had no history of a God belief of any kind, and instead had some other belief outside of a deity.

You seem to be suggesting that you'd ignore their belief, since you already believe they're demons, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Yes I would. Once on a forum, just for fun an atheist guy asked: What would you do if you met an alien? I said: Kick him out. He said: That's not very hospitable LOL.

A woman asked an alien if he confessed Jesus as Lord. He got mad.

 

[Messy]

In the video I posted he says that non christian guys from the UFO investigation club say: So aliens don't like Jesus. Big deal.

I think that's a big deal. If they came into existance by evolution, then why on earth would they get mad if you talk about Jesus?

 

[VaughanJB]

In the video I posted he says that non christian guys from the UFO investigation club say: So aliens don't like Jesus. Big deal.

I think that's a big deal. If they came into existance by evolution, then why on earth would they get mad if you talk about Jesus?

I'm not talking about anyone getting mad, this is more of a philosophical thing. An alien from another planet would have no reference to this planet and its history. instead, they would have their own, completely different from ours. If the alien arrived and said, "Yes, Jesus is our Lord and Savior", then I think that would be fascinating. How could it be that a completely different race/species, divided by millions of light years, had turned up knowing about Jesus?

But if that is fascinating, then the opposite must also be. Just saying.

 

[JustDave]

Historical fiction is a semi fictionalized story based on known facts, events and/or people.
It's a combination of real and imagined senerios, supposition and exaggeration, myth and legend.

Sounds like the bible to me.

There are some interesting nuances used in describing the Bible's 'historic fiction vs mythology discussion', and I've taken an interest in this from the start when the idea of historic fiction was first introduced. I agree with both views. Historical fiction because historic figures are included, some of whom are described using the scant information we have about them from more credible history books.

However, those historic figures and the reasonable "truth" of some of their actions, play a minor role, while the overall message of the Bible is 100% mythological. It is a promise of joys and and abundance beyond reason with no credible evidence to support such things, other than humankind's gullibility to accept the irrational when rational is not appealing. This is the realm of mythology.

Why do Christians whole hardheartedly accept the mythology of the Bible as real when they so eagerly reject the mythology of the ancient Greeks, or the Norse? Or any other mythology, religious or not? As far as I can see, the joy in the ridiculous descriptions in Greek mythology are no more or less plausible than the ridiculous claims of the Bible. Although the Greek presentation is a lot more fun.

But the Norse; Now there's a mythology I can feel in my bones, maybe because I have a Norse ancestry. Had I existed in that part of the world at the time of that mythology, I may have been a true believer... Or not. I suppose there were a few skeptics alive back then in that area too; You know skeptics, the bottom tier of society, constantly throwing wet rags on what is meant to be a party of escape from reality. Eat, drink, and be merry... Because then you die.

But in Christianity, you don't die. You live forever, even as the last flames of the universe die out and time ceases to exist. Hurray! Yeah, I guess that's worth sinking one's teeth in, at least for many.

 

[Messy]

I'm not talking about anyone getting mad, this is more of a philosophical thing. An alien from another planet would have no reference to this planet and its history. instead, they would have their own, completely different from ours. If the alien arrived and said, "Yes, Jesus is our Lord and Savior", then I think that would be fascinating. How could it be that a completely different race/species, divided by millions of light years, had turned up knowing about Jesus?

But if that is fascinating, then the opposite must also be. Just saying.

I get what you mean. If they were like: huh? Jesus? What's that? That would be what I expect from an alien who is just a normal being.

But if they flee and get mad , that shows me they're demonic and people have said that this is what they did.

 

[VaughanJB]

There are some interesting nuances used in describing the Bible's 'historic fiction vs mythology discussion', and I've taken an interest in this from the start when the idea of historic fiction was first introduced. I agree with both views. Historical fiction because historic figures are included, some of whom are described using the scant information we have about them from more credible history books.

See, this another thing for me. Sure, some emphasize the HISTORICAL content and discount the fictional bits. But it kind of falls apart for me when it comes to miracles. I doubt anything could convince me that a snake "spoke" without some fictional liberties being taken. And how about Moses having a chat with a burning bush (yes, I know it was God using the Bush as a cosmic telephone)?

I mean parting the Red Sea - really? I suppose blind faith allows such things to pass, but my addled brain simply says - nah, the specifics there are made up.