Islam is incompatible with Western Culture and Laws

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Now please don't respond by calling me a racist or bigot, but if what I post in my OP is true and you believe it then give me a solution or thoughtfull response to what I see as a real Big Problem.For Muslims to fully Assimilate they will have to adapt to our culture and laws or we bend over backward to accommodate their culture and laws and thus loose our heritage.
 

It is not incompatible with Australian culture and laws.

This PDF document on Facebook sums up a year long process of the National Imans Consultative Forum and is intended to inform Australian Muslims and non Muslims alike of the obligations of Muslims to Australian society.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153801940246532&set=pcb.1498413007128266&type=3&theater

If you can't read at that link, try here

http://nceis.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/1467362/NICF-Statements.pdf
 
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Assimilation or integration with any culture means exactly that. It does not mean the formation of a secondary culture filled exemptions because on does not want to fully integrate into the original culture they voluntarily chose to migrate to.
 

I guess the requirement to assimilate didn't apply when all of our ancestors invaded America slaughtering Native Americans, stealing their land, and dismissing their cultural practices.
 
Ameriscot said:
I guess the requirement to assimilate didn't apply when all of our ancestors invaded America slaughtering Native Americans, stealing their land, and dismissing their cultural practices.
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When our ancestors came to a new land centuries ago they didn't come across signs, warnings, artificial barriers clearly defining borders nor were they instructed or told these are the requirements to come here. What did the forms and paperwork say 600 years ago? Doesn't excuse treaty violations because that was the paperwork.
 
WhatInThe said:
Assimilation or integration with any culture means exactly that. It does not mean the formation of a secondary culture filled exemptions because on does not want to fully integrate into the original culture they voluntarily chose to migrate to.
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That's not entirely true. Hasidic Jews have their own culture as do the Amish.
 
chic said:
That's not entirely true. Hasidic Jews have their own culture as do the Amish.
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Most Amish live where their preferred life is more practically accomplished. They are not in the middle of a highly populated area like NYC. The Hasidic Jews try to maintain many customs but radical changes or exemptions really don't have to be made. The Jewish community in many areas has not only assimilated but excelled in the US life going into rigorous and profitable professions.
 
Canada celebrates multiculturalism as opposed to total assimilation. For starters, one third of our population (approx) identify as Francophones. Not all live in Quebec. Our Inuit, Dene, other indigenous First Peoples also celebrate their cultures. So do Hutterites, Mennonites etc.

Immigrants from around the world do also. We believe our diversity is our strength. Students of all ethnicities are now able to learn aboriginal language at school. In a climate of tolerance and respect, diversity flourishes. When after the Paris massacre,

Toronto Muslim women were attacked, Torontonians took to social media offering to sit beside their "Muslim sisters" on public transit. The bigotry and hatred of the few must never be permitted to to silence the justice and compassion of the many. Je suis Muslim! Je suis Juif---je suis Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, et al.
 
Hmm. In this town alone, I count four Muslim doctors, two dentists, assorted teachers. One of my colleagues is a psychiatrist. Two poets, one physiotherapist, several artists, singers. These are highly accomplished people, but more important to me, kind
individuals who give back to their community in diverse ways.
 
Shalimar said:
Canada celebrates multiculturalism as opposed to total assimilation. For starters, one third of our population (approx) identify as Francophones. Not all live in Quebec. Our Inuit, Dene, other indigenous First Peoples also celebrate their cultures. So do Hutterites, Mennonites etc.

Immigrants from around the world do also. We believe our diversity is our strength. Students of all ethnicities are now able to learn aboriginal language at school. In a climate of tolerance and respect, diversity flourishes. When after the Paris massacre,

Toronto Muslim women were attacked, Torontonians took to social media offering to sit beside their "Muslim sisters" on public transit. The bigotry and hatred of the few must never be permitted to to silence the justice and compassion of the many. Je suis Muslim! Je suis Juif---je suis Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, et al.
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WhatInThe said:
Most Amish live where their preferred life is more practically accomplished. They are not in the middle of a highly populated area like NYC. The Hasidic Jews try to maintain many customs but radical changes or exemptions really don't have to be made. The Jewish community in many areas has not only assimilated but excelled in the US life going into rigorous and profitable professions.
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What makes you think that the Muslim immigrants won't eventually fit in at least as comfortably as the Jewish community or the Sikhs?
 
Vancouver, our third largest city, has a sizable Muslim population, from a variety of countries and ethnicities. As far as I am aware, no overtly special accommodations have been made. In some ways, our laws are stricter than America's regarding what

is acceptable behaviour for all, immigrant or otherwise--particularly regarding what we consider to be hate speech. This applies to all religious/cultural practices. In this country, Donald Trump would be arrested, we certainly would not "accommodate" his

hatemongering. To us, he is a dangerous man whose rhetoric has the potential to incite horrific acts of violence against Mexicans, Muslims, etc among the more unstable persons of his fan base. He certainly has not "assimilated" into the tolerant


majority of Americans who are so deserving of the opportunity to live their lives in peace and harmony, regardless of whether or not they identify as Muslims.
 
Muslims contributing to Australian society, taken from the Facebook page of the Anglican Parish of Gosford (north of Sydney)

Anglican Parish of Gosford

What a privilege to spend an afternoon with the Brothers from Homeless Run, known as the "White Coats" by the people they help; the homeless, youth, women and children affected by domestic violence, pensioners ... and anyone else needing a helping hand.

Three years ago Bilal and his wife decided they wanted to help young people, now he and his friend Kamel, with the help of their wives and friends, manage a charity with over 40 volunteers that runs services 7 days per week.

A recent well publicised incident has not affected their outlook or dedication to their work; this wonderful team of inspiring young men are just getting on with the job of serving the community.

The White Coats.JPG

The short fellow in the middle is the Anglican (= Episcopalian) priest known to all and sundry as Father Rod.
 
Bravo! It is so important to balance fearful rhetoric with clear examples of Christ-like behaviour (as an example) illustrated by these young men. I am not a Christian, but since Islam clearly is an issue in this thread, I felt it important to make the
point I did. A life of service is not limited to non Muslims. To me, this is the only "assimilation" that matters.
 
Ameriscot said:
I guess the requirement to assimilate didn't apply when all of our ancestors invaded America slaughtering Native Americans, stealing their land, and dismissing their cultural practices.
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I read through the list of obligations of Muslims who emigrate to Australia and it sounded pretty good to me. More Muslim's in other countries need to do the same thing and that might go a long way toward cooling the jets of all those who fear Muslims. They did a good job in that year.

This morning or yesterday, PM Trudeau met with the Assembly of First Nations and listening to him talk about how we are going to change and better our interactions with our indigenous peoples made me so proud. White people did all of the above that you mentioned but finally I hope we are on the right course which should only strengthen Canada, i.e. acknowledging and embracing all our people.
 
Shalimar said:
Canada celebrates multiculturalism as opposed to total assimilation. For starters, one third of our population (approx) identify as Francophones. Not all live in Quebec. Our Inuit, Dene, other indigenous First Peoples also celebrate their cultures. So do Hutterites, Mennonites etc.

Immigrants from around the world do also. We believe our diversity is our strength. Students of all ethnicities are now able to learn aboriginal language at school. In a climate of tolerance and respect, diversity flourishes. When after the Paris massacre,

Toronto Muslim women were attacked, Torontonians took to social media offering to sit beside their "Muslim sisters" on public transit. The bigotry and hatred of the few must never be permitted to to silence the justice and compassion of the many. Je suis Muslim! Je suis Juif---je suis Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, et al.
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Love this comment Shalimar! Totally! So cool how you've articulated these glorious goals! After listening to Trudeau this morning as he spoke to the assembly of First Nations and then reading your comment.... well I'm getting all weepy here!
 
Warrigal said:
What makes you think that the Muslim immigrants won't eventually fit in at least as comfortably as the Jewish community or the Sikhs?
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I didn't say they wouldn't 'eventually' fit in but right now they don't seem to aspiring or making the effort to assimilate as previous groups of immigrants. With a history of immigration and/or information out there on the US or any country's history & culture is should not take any immigrant group the same amount of time to assimilate as they did 100-200 years ago. They know a lot more going into the country.
 
WhatInThe said:
I didn't say they wouldn't 'eventually' fit in but right now they don't seem to aspiring or making the effort to assimilate as previous groups of immigrants. With a history of immigration and/or information out there on the US or any country's history & culture is should not take any immigrant group the same amount of time to assimilate as they did 100-200 years ago. They know a lot more going into the country.
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Maybe part of the problem is that they don't feel at all welcome even though they've been allowed in? It feels safer to keep to their own communities. With the rhetoric that's been coming from the Republican candidates and particularly Trump, it must feel like there's a lot of good reason to keep separate and try to get by like that I would think.
 
Debby said:
Maybe part of the problem is that they don't feel at all welcome even though they've been allowed in? It feels safer to keep to their own communities. With the rhetoric that's been coming from the Republican candidates and particularly Trump, it must feel like there's a lot of good reason to keep separate and try to get by like that I would think.
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I understand staying with in their own community, in sometimes that's a measure of success of that ethnic/religious group. I've seen entire high end neighborhoods resided by successful richer ethnic/religious groups. I've also seen smaller neighborhoods eliminate a local drug & blight problem with Islamic leadership.

But my whole in this day and age regardless of motivation people chose to physically migrate. They choose to go to a different country and culture. It's not unusual to see an unwieldy sense of entitlement from various groups. But they're the ones coming into another's world. Does one let a house guest rearrange the furniture? Who has the primary responsibility for the assimilation process.
 
New arrivals have ALWAYS wanted to keep separate in their own communities or neighborhoods. Living in Chicago it's pretty evident. We have Chinatown, Greektown, German town.. Little Italy, and just about every nationality with it's own neighborhood. Of course they are no longer exclusive, but the names remain. I think it human nature to want to be with people who are like you.. speak your language.. and practice your religion.. At least for one or two generations.. it takes time to become assimilated.
 
I just don't understand the problem with immigrants not assimilating completely. Providing they are law abiding, productive members of society, why shouldn't they congregate primarily with each other? America is a country which prizes individuality, and personal freedom, isn't that applicable here? I am confused.
 
Ok QS, but what about the invisible peeps who blend right in, who is watching them? Oops, they aren't immigrants, but homegrown? I am beginning to think I may be incompatable with some of western culture--and that may be a good thing.
 

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