Oz is firing up early this year.

Diwundrin

Well-known Member
We'd had a few hundred smallish bushfires so far but the 'serious' ones don't usually happen until around February after summer has cooked it up a bit.

Just heard they've closed Newcastle airport and the roads are clogged with traffic fleeing the area. It's got a wind behind it and has residents and insurance companies very nervous.

Another one has taken a few houses down Tezza's way, in the Southern Highlands, not real close, but that area is not known to feature for bushfires usually.

Another biggy up in the Blue Mountains, Bell's line of Road, but that's ho hum, happens all the time, only unusually early this time.

There's been a bad one burning in the upper Hunter Valley for a week about 20 kliks from Singleton. My family have been in that area for generations and those type of fires just didn't happen 'back then'. Farmers all burned off the dead grass on their own properties in their own time according to weather, wind direction, whim and need.
They're aren't allowed to now, it takes weeks of paper shuffling to get it approved by some desk wallah and the ideal weather windows are lost. They used to clear their own patches of scrub, and burn off ground fuel build up too but no more. Greenies get the vapours at the thought of it.


I was just looking toward the beach here. The trees are doubled over in a roaring Southerly and tinder dry. If some retard on the track through the 'nature strip reserve' between the houses and dunes drops a match the wind will drive it straight along the dunes and take out half the town. We have one fire engine manned by mostly retired volunteers. The younger volunteers will be away down in Coffs working. Not that it'd matter, it would move too fast to do anything about it.

They've been burning off up in the hills for months but can't touch the 'nature reserve' sanctuary areas down here. Someone tell a Greenie that dry trees don't have a fire exemption permit because of what side of the track they're growing on please?
 

Can't complain about the weather here eh Tezz? It's just a matter of chasing up what type you like.

A lot of the Pt Stephens region is blacked out, the fire's taken a few more transformers out, and they're getting antsy in Raymond Terrace. They'll have to pedal faster to get the airport powered up again.

Heard something about parts of Campbelltown (outer Sydney suburb) blacked out now, must be one down there doing damage too. Might be part of that Balmoral one? You know that area better than me. Busy time for the fireys this year by the looks of it.

I'd like to see 3 years service in the SES or Volunteer Fire Brigade mandatory for all Greenies.
 

Yeah Di.... as hot as it's been today in and around Sydney, I've just brought in a load of firewood to light the fire.

... a few minutes ago, I received an email with photos from big daddy in Sydney. It showed his nearby bushfire smoke with the sun behind it.... it looked like the end of the world !.... Armageddon !

 
The sky to the north of Sydney was an amazing sight this afternoon. The smoke was deep purple with orange areas. The wind has been hot and strong from the NE but a SW change is passing through. People in Turramurra are getting burnt gum leaves from the Penrith area fires but no embers.

Where I am to the south west of Sydney we are quite clear of fires. The Illawarra is getting a lot of smoke and ash from further south.

Will someone please tell Diwundrin that it is the fireys who control the hazard reduction programs, not the mythical greenies.
 
Get real Warri, they can only burn what they are allowed to burn after due paper work is done.
They are a finite force, they can't be everywhere.

They can't do what the farmers used to do for themselves. = The Singleton and Pt Stevens fires. .. and just heard another big one on prime farmland 20k from Muswellbrook in the Hunter V. They're being evacuated so they've given up on controlling that one too.

People in bush areas aren't allowed to clear trees back more than a few metres from their houses any more! = The already burned out homes in Springwood and Winmalee... again! ...perhaps into the hundreds tonight.

The laws changed. The Greenie types changed them. ... and if only Greenie d***heads were indeed mythical!

The Koori settlement a few Ks from here didn't muck about with paperwork. They've torched everything within cooee of their homes and to hell with the consequences. It is a very neat burnoff btw, they're good at it. Oh, and they get free legal aid so no worries on that account eh?


Guess Aussies are watching the coverage on ch24 but state of play is: 90 fires reported currently burning in NSW, 36 out of control, 7 emergency status nearing, or in, populated areas. 2,000 firefighters to go round.

Caves Beach is being evacuated now, south of Newcastle. Have to wonder who or what is starting all these at once. It's not exactly the worst 'fire' weather by any means and no storms to start them. ??
 
Not that close. She lives a little bit west of Parramatta at Greystanes.

On the subject of burning off. Yes, there are regulations and there are other methods of hazard reduction other than burning off.

From the RFS

6. Burning (hazard reduction burning)

Hazard reduction burning is a method of removing ground litter and fine fuels by fire. Hazard reduction burning of vegetation is often used by land management agencies for broad area bush fire control, or to provide a fuel reduced buffer around urban areas.

Any hazard reduction burning, including pile burns, must be planned carefully and carried out with extreme caution under correct weather conditions. Otherwise there is a real danger that the fire will become out of control. More bush fires result from escaped burning off work than from any other single cause.

It is YOUR responsibility to contain any fire lit on your property. If the fire escapes your property boundaries you may be liable for the damage it causes.

Hazard reduction burns must therefore be carefully planned to ensure that they are safe, controlled, effective and environmentally sound. There are many factors that need to be considered in a burn plan. These include smoke control, scorch height, frequency of burning and cut off points (or control lines) for the fire. For further information see the RFS document
Standards for Low Intensity Bush Fire Hazard Reduction Burning, or contact your local RFS for advice.

7. Burning (pile burning)

In some cases, where fuel removal is impractical due to the terrain, or where material cannot be disposed of by the normal garbage collection or composted on site, you may use pile burning to dispose of material that has been removed in creating or maintaining an APZ.

For further information on pile burning, see the RFS document
Standards for Pile Burning.

In areas where smoke regulations control burning in the open, you will need to obtain a Bush Fire Hazard Reduction Certificate or written approval from Council for burning. During the bush fire danger period a Fire Permit will also be required.

See the RFS document
Before You Light that Fire for further details.
I presume that the bit you object to is getting permission for the burn off. If that was not the case we'd be seeing a lot of people leaving it all too late and more burn offs getting away and causing major bush fires.
 
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How scary is this?
I had burnt leavs on my balcony.
I'm about 30 or 40kls from the nearest fire but we have had smoke all around all day.
I have family in the Newcastle area and in the Lithgow area but thankfuly they are all safe.
Don't know exactly where all our Assies live but hope you are all safe. xx
 
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Will someone please tell Diwundrin that it is the fireys who control the hazard reduction programs, not the mythical greenies.
It won't be me ..... because it is green pressure groups and political preference deals that sees stupid "green" policies agreed to and enforced by the major political parties at all levels of government. Australian greens are nutters .... check out your local tree lopping regulations.
:aargh:
 
It won't be me ..... because it is green pressure groups and political preference deals that sees stupid "green" policies agreed to and enforced by the major political parties at all levels of government. Australian greens are nutters .... check out your local tree lopping regulations.
:aargh:
Tree lopping in my district - apply to council for permission with a good reason and all will be well. Start tree lopping without permission and get a sharp rap over the knuckles. This has been the policy in my suburb for as long as I've lived here (47 years) and there were no such things as greenies then but there was a desire to have an attractive suburban landscape. Which it is.

I wish the same rules applied to the men who butcher the trees near the overhead wires. They've just gone through our street and on one side of the street the trees look like candidates for the para-olympics for bottle brushes.

Over the years we've removed 13 trees from our suburban block. Eight so that we could build the house. Three because of disease evidenced by fungus growing through the trunks and two that caused problems with the sewer main. The same thing has happened in the backyards around us and gradually a very old stand of eucalyptus trees has been disappearing. They do ask us to replant and I have planted two new eucalyptus and a wattle tree for the birds. We still have one of the original trees left and it towers over the house but is a very healthy tree. We wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it if it looked like falling on us and the council wouldn't argue either.
 
Evidence please.
Actually, I've lived in the Bankstown council area since 1946. I grew up here and moved just a couple of suburbs away when we built our own house. It has always had a tree preservation policy but they are not unreasonable about it.

The next municipality - Canterbury - was much less tree conscious and it is now a wasteland of barren streets and home units. Very ugly.
 
The Concord Council, as it was called then, only turned bright green around 30 years ago. We had 3 different 'experts' from Council trying to get permission to knock over a huge Silky Oak that was riddled with borers and whose roots were heading for the swimming pool behind us and wrapped around the sewerage pipes in between. It wasn't until a 15ft branch had dropped into the yard, and flattened shrubs and a garden seat, that the 3rd contingent arrived. Even then he wasn't convinced until a small branch came off in his hand when he shinned up for a closer look.

When it was cut the whole tree was the consistency of cork and it was a miracle of nature that it stood so long.
Oh, and no, we weren't permitted to sue the council, or the 'experts, had it blown over and taken out the house behind us, they are exempt from prosecution for failure to issue permits. aaaaghh!

Leafy suburbs look terrific, but they can be a damned silly place to live sometimes. Remember the damage bill in Turramurra after that wind storm?


We were getting smouldering leaves raining down from the Winmalee fires back in (I think) '93? Have some photos of the red smoke etc but same thing as is happening now. I had the hose laid out ready and kept wetting down the 'wilderness' around that Silky Oak, all kinds of vines and stuff and I wasn't happy watching embers dropping into it. I couldn't believe they could be still hot after travelling so far but there was a howling Westerly behind them that day. That's why I'm a bit puzzled why these are so bad today, windy yes, but not the hot winds that usually trigger them off.

Canterbury was already old and had been built when your area was still scrub, not a fair comparison really. Like protesting a lack of trees in the CBD.
 
After reading this entire thread, I'm glad to be getting an education from all of you first hand. . and really sorry for the fires that threaten you and your peace of mind.
It seems your spring/summer mirrors ours in the US.. out of control fires and the big loss of natures beauty.
 
Yes Bonnie, luckily they don't overlap. We hire some of those big orange fire bomber choppers of yours but I don't think they've arrived yet. If they even still do that.
One was named 'Elvis' and we just loved that thing. Another was the 'Georgia Peach' from memory. They saved countless homes between them.

We've sent fire fighters over there to help out, and we've had American fire crews here to help us out. They are quite different types of fires though so each were trained in the other's techniques.

The fires are a part of life, it's just the number and timing of them that has surprised everyone.
 
Hope Elvis shows up! Strength in numbers - everyone working together is very fortunate for all.
As time goes by, seems this planet is being tested to the umpteenth degree!
Stay safe everyone.
 
.... and the Bankstown evidence that the council was not taken prisoner by the Greens at some point during your occupation?
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If they have, you wouldn't notice because nothing much has changed since 1947.
Bankstown has its quota of people who go out and weed the bush but most are getting on now. Our council is very business like and operates like a corporation. The Greens get very few votes in this electorate. We are nothing like Balmain.
 
Canterbury was already old and had been built when your area was still scrub, not a fair comparison really. Like protesting a lack of trees in the CBD.
Yes, but Punchbowl (Canterbury municipality) wasn't and Lakemba was houses not streets full of home units without a tree in sight. Bankstown might not be posh and it's not Strathfield but it's not unattractive because it is not barren.

Yesterday Bankstown had very hot winds at 95 km/hr coming from the NW but overnight the temperature has dropped due to a southerly.

For our American friends, here is a link to a photo gallery

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/nsw-bushfires-in-pictures/5030166
 
I feel so very sorry for those people that have lost everything in the fires, my heart goes out to them.
 
October has always been the start of our bushfire season.

Bushfires may have been a dominant feature of the Australian outback for much longer than experts thought.
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/raging-bushfires-started-60-million-years-ago.htm

Bushfire has been part of the Australian landscape for millions of years but while we consider it a threat, some of our flora and fauna depend upon it.
.......
Since European settlement, the total amount of fire in the landscape has declined.


The bushland areas and particularly those around Sydney, New South Wales, have thickened and accumulated more fuel.
As a result, the infrequent fires that now occur under extreme weather burn much more intensely and have a significant impact on the built environment.
http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-St...-Sciences/BushfireInAustralia.aspx#Historical
 


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