Its Assult Weapon time again....yea!!!!!

Suicide reduction by gun is a by-product. I've been talking about mass shootings, another one of which happened in your country yeaterday but apparently no-one was injured. Just terrorised.

Allie Cozic, another mall employee, said she saw "someone dressed in all black, carrying a large gun, walk past our store."She said she heard loud bangs about 10 minutes before her store was set to close for the night.

"It was just chaos. Everyone was just kind of running to wherever they could," Cozic said. "It was almost like when you're watching a horror movie and the killer is walking slowly -- that's what it seemed like. He was wearing all black, it almost looked like body armor of some kind. As soon as I saw the gun, I just turned and ran," she said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/new-jersey-mall-shooting/
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Just another average day at the mall ?

Where were all the armed civilians who are always ready and waiting to take out the crazy killers ?
 

Warrigal said:
Suicide reduction by gun is a by-product. I've been talking about mass shootings, another one of which happened in your country yeaterday but apparently no-one was injured. Just terrorised.



Just another average day at the mall ?

Where were all the armed civilians who are always ready and waiting to take out the crazy killers ?
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Yeah, he was just your typical Monday-night-security-camera-shooter - that's a garden variety in the Garden State. :playful:

Oh, yeah, those armed civilians? In New Jersey the laws are so strong that only former cops can usually get a carry permit. Guess there were no former cops in the mall at closing time.

See? If the laws for carrying by regular citizens were relaxed maybe someone would have had a chance to take the guy down.
 
I've been researching the reference to shooters not being allowed to join the Liberal Party. All I've found so far is an article on a site created by "underage journalists" but it is definitely said that they were denied membership, took it to the Supreme Court in Sth Australia and lost.

We do have a Shooters and Fishers Party now which lobbies for easier gun laws and access to National Parks for recreational hunters. They are also opposed to Marine National Parks. They field candidates for state and federal elections and if they are lucky enough to achieve balance of power in the upper house they use this power to trade with the government. In NSW they have wielded some power over hunting but the Premier, battling out of control gang shootings, is not about to allow easier access to prohibited weaponry.
 
Boy, I wouldn't touch this subject with a ten foot pole. Religion, politics and guns will be discussed for the next thousand years and people will still not agree.

i'll just keep my guns out of sight and enjoy them for target shooting.
PS....I still haven't shot anyone in 75 years. :wink:
 
It's not very interesting to talk about any topic about which every everyone is in agreement.
I cut my teeth arguing with men in bars on the subject of women's liberation.
It was usually me against the rest in those days with my husband cringing at the other end of the room.
Lotsa fun.
:giggle"
 
My grandson wanted a hunting rifle for his birthday, so he could go hunting with his friends. I went to friends who are big hunters, and asked them what they would recommend. I know very little about guns. I went back to my grandson, and told him what they had recommended. He didn't want that one, he wanted this other semiautomatic hunting rifle. I went back to my friends, they told me not to get that one. that he could order a kit over the internet that would convert this particular rifle into a fully automatic rifle, and advised me not to get it. I went back to my grandson and guess what he knew that and intended to order the kit. Needless to say I did not get him any rifle for his birthday. I realize there will be many of you who will think I should.

Of course we can't prevent people from getting guns if they really want one. However, I feel that we can make it more difficult for them to get one.
 
.......thumbs up on the last two post

California, is just one of the states that is going forward with smart gun laws and it has proven to work.


http://smartgunlaws.org/the-california-model-twenty-years-of-putting-safety-first/

.....and they continue to work on it.....


California just got safer, and set some amazing records, too. On Friday, October 11th, California Governor Jerry Brown signed 10 new gun violence prevention bills — a record for the State of California and the largest number of strong gun bills signed into law by any state in the nation this year. We are proud to have worked with legislators and activists in California to support this crucial and groundbreaking new legislation.

In the bills signed into law, Governor Brown and the California Legislature have prioritized measures to promote gun safety and prevent prohibited people from accessing weapons. Here are only a few of the new, cutting-edge policies that will help keep our communities safe:

  • AB 500 will require gun owners living with people prohibited from possessing a firearms to store their weapons in a secure manner. That bill will also give the Department of Justice an additional 30 days to conduct a background check when needed to ensure that a gun buyer isn’t a convicted felon or otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms.
  • AB 231 will help prevent tragic accidents involving guns and children by expanding California’s child access prevention law to allow law enforcement to hold a gun owner liable if a weapon is left in a place where a child may gain access to it.
  • AB 48 will keep gun manufacturers from skirting California’s ban on large capacity ammunition magazines by banning “conversion kits,” which allow someone to make ordinary magazines into magazines capable of holding up to a hundred rounds of ammunition.
And these are only a few of the policies that Governor Brown just signed into law.
Although we are disappointed that the governor vetoed seven strong bills to prevent gun violence, we are extremely pleased with the historic progress otherwise made by the legislature this year. We are proud of the success California has seen implementing smart gun laws and encouraged that it continues to promote effective policies that can make our communities safer. In a year marked with a seemingly endless list of tragic shootings, Governor Brown has heard the voice of gun owners and non-gun owners alike — inaction on preventing gun violence is unacceptable.
For a summary of all of the gun violence prevention bills, visit our summary of 2013 California legislation to prevent gun violence.
 
Warrigal said:
It's not very interesting to talk about any topic about which every everyone is in agreement.
I cut my teeth arguing with men in bars on the subject of women's liberation.
It was usually me against the rest in those days with my husband cringing at the other end of the room.
Lotsa fun.
:giggle"
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i couldn't agree with you more, Warrigal as controversy is always good. I like reading peoples different views, but won't add my advice as I am one of those "gun nuts."and it be all one-sided.
 
Jackie22 said:
.......stats showing how the gun laws in California have proved to be successful...

http://smartgunlaws.org/the-california-model-twenty-years-of-putting-safety-first/
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The U.S. as a whole has seen declining gun-death rates, and the differences between California and the rest of the states aren't all that impressive. I believe it might be a case of the politicians once again taking credit for something they didn't do.

There are 30 million more guns in Cally than there were in 1993, and it doesn't matter if they have child-safety locks or tiny magazines, if the wrong person gets hold of them there will STILL be a slaughter. The only difference will be that there will be fewer armed citizens to take down the shooter.

They're going in the right direction, but there's still glaring holes in the program. They're focusing on the tools and not the wielders.
 
re:AB 231 will help prevent tragic accidents involving guns and children by expanding California’s child access prevention law to allow law enforcement to hold a gun owner liable if a weapon is left in a place where a child may gain access to it.

Problem with that law is you have to prove it to be effective.
 
I guess I just fall into the "possible conspiracy nut" catagory, in my thinking about all the shootings that we have had over the last 10 years or so. Most of the shooters have been on some mind-altering prescription medication, and some have been involved in schools where they have mind control experiments.
There have been people with guns in their house for self-protection for years and years, but until the Prozac-related drugs came out, we really didnt have these mindless shootings.

I think they happen one of two ways. First, is the drugged, or mind-controlled person who shoots, and doesnt really even remember what he has done afterwards. They are usually dead afterwards, or in a coma, or some similar state where they can never really tell their story.
The second shooters, are ones where a trained team is sent in to wipe out certain people, and make it look random, as in the recent Navy yard shootings. When those happen, the first reports always describe professional shooters, at least 2, sometimes more, but only one is found afterwards, usually dead, and not a professional shooter, just a deranged person, said to be a loner, and used to be a great person, but now is a mental case.

Another strange thing that I have read about, is that when these shootings happen, there is also a staged DRILL for the same event going on close by. I was listening to the scanner during the Boston Bombing, and there was a drill at the library,and bombs going off there as well. There were also several other bombs found and disarmed by the Boston police bomb squad, so there had to be more involved than just two Russian boys with backpacks.
The stories often seem to change as they progress, from first witnesses seeing several shooters, to eventually deciding it was one lone shooter with an assault weapon, in the case of shootings, and even the pictures of the bombs going off in Boston seems to show windows blowing out rather than in.
Since only about 6 large corporations own all of our news outlets, we seem to get pretty much one official story from all of them, and the only place to find anything different is on some of the little Internet forums and webpages.
 
Happyflowerlady, I am a full blown conspiracy nut. And I think the same darn thing about a lot of shootings and other things that have been going on in the last well, since Kennedy was killed.

The shootings in the last few years, MKULTRA anybody, works for me.

I don't feel the need to debate this with anybody however, because 99% of the time I get accused of being in the Tinfoil Hat crowd.

I just wanted to briefly chime in and say thank you for being so bold to bring this up.

Peace and love sister.
 
You're right Happyflowerlady, there was also suspicious police behavior (preparation for response) for the Aurora movie theater shooting that people were talking about, but NOT on the 6 o'clock news, lol...that will NEVER happen! The media and the government are in bed with each other, and we're the only ones getting screwed.

Are they conspiracies? 9/11, JFK, Vince Foster, TWA flight, Boston "bombing", etc., etc...or reality being camouflaged and hidden from the public on PURPOSE with disinformation by the powers that be...I say the latter. The 'sheeple' will put their fingers in their ears and chant la, la, la, la...they regard ALL those stories as "rumors", they prefer to put ALL of their trust and faith in the talking heads on TV and the politicians who are always involved in their own personal theater performance...how else will they gain money, power and control?

I'm much more interested to hear the facts that form people's opinions behind "conspiracy theories", than the BS they try to feed us on FOX or MSNBC. ;)
 
I have a scanner app on my iPad, so when something comes on the news on tv, I can usually pick it up on the local scanner for that city, providing I get on there fast enough, and then you can hear what is actually being said at the scene, as opposed to what is coming over the tv news. Sometimes the same, but sometimes very different info.
Even the fire/explosions we have had at the fertilizer plants have had drills for the same thing happening nearby, like the one in Texas, so it is not just shootings that we are being kept in the dark about.
The same people are interviewed as "eyewitnesses" in more than one tragedy, or are shown to actually be a government employee, like the man who had all the kids at his house during the Newtown shooting.
There are a lot of these abnormalities, and you cant really prove anything to anyone, they either have an open mind to it, or they don't, so I usually don't even bring the subject up.
 
I keep an open mind and listen, makes sense to consider what may have really happened. I like to know those things, if they are happening.
 
Happyflowerlady, Old Hipster, Seabreeze, I agree with you - so many times the news will say one thing right after things happen; then later, the story changes. Why?? I do think there are cover-ups, and we're not going to hear the truth on the major news outlets.

If people really knew what was going on behind the scenes, there might be an uprising or revolution....but again - would we know or would that also be covered up. So many times when there are protests, we can't even be sure what it's all about, and they are labelled as some kind of nuts.
 
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"Needless to say I did not get him any rifle for his birthday. I realize there will be many of you who will think I should."


Judi, I am one of the "gun nuts" referred to by others on this board. It is my opinion for what it is worth that the actions you took in your situation did more good in preventing a possible "situation" than stricter gun laws.


Actions such as your go much farther than any bunch of politicians can accomplish.
 
As for conspiracy theories in my opinion they are just that, theories.
I understand a theory is developed upon observing things that have happened.
I do not discount them and I do not put a lot of stock in most of them. Some are simply ridiculous and some seem to have merit.
One thing I have observed is that the things that have/are happening seem to have a pattern that fit an overall plan that one would follow if their desire was to bring a people to their knees and cripple this country. Do such people exist? I say YES.
Am I going to lose sleep over it? NO
Am I going to keep a weapon close by? YES
 
Sid said:
... Judi, I am one of the "gun nuts" referred to by others on this board. It is my opinion for what it is worth that the actions you took in your situation did more good in preventing a possible "situation" than stricter gun laws.


Actions such as your go much farther than any bunch of politicians can accomplish.
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Hear, hear! :applause:

As for conspiracy theories in my opinion they are just that, theories.
I understand a theory is developed upon observing things that have happened.
I do not discount them and I do not put a lot of stock in most of them. Some are simply ridiculous and some seem to have merit.
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It depends upon how you take the meaning of the word "theory". In its strictest scientific sense it is a vigorously proven and widely accepted truth. In the common- language usage a "theory" is only a strong suspicion.

Which "theory" does "conspiracy theory" apply as?

In the JFK matter this hypothesis of a shot being fired by a Secret Service agent seems to fit the available facts much better than many other "theories", which are therefore relegated to the common-language usage of the term. At this point, I would award the scientific label "theory" to this version: although it is not widely accepted as yet it does fit many of the data points.
 
"Which "theory" does "conspiracy theory" apply as


I guess I would have to say "A strong suspicion"
 

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