Is Orlando's debacle a taboo subject?

Boston Bomber connection?

Apparently not the first violent confrontation or act from an radical Islamic terror suspect in Orlando/area. A "friend" of the Boston Bombers was killed in confrontation with FBI after they tried to question him. Questions still remain on this one.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/22/news/la-boston-bombing-fbi-shot-orlando-20130522

But yet this killer Mateen was investigated for ties to the Boston Bombers.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/13/omar-mateen-fbi-boston-marathon-tsarnaev

3 FBI investigations and a vague FBI shooting of a terror suspect in the same city?

Any connection to Orlando shooter?
 

Shalimar said:
Ruthanne, I understand that America has just gone through another horrific massacre, my heart goes out to you all. But Islamophobia exists, in your country and mine. It is only natural to be concerned that incidents such as this will rev up the haters. I bet we will see Muslim bashing incidents here. The Canadian contingent

does not think all Americans are racists et al. No, we don't live there, but unless one is blind, deaf, and terminally stupid, there is a serious problem with mass shootings happening in your country.
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I am by no means stupid having earned an M. Ed degree! Like I said most of us are caring and loving people but there are some 300 million of us and and a small percentage cause trouble. I haven't heard about all of those mass shootings you talk about only the ones brought to my attention by the tv. Why do you and others need to malign my country so much? I don't see anyone on this site constantly going after Canada or other countries. I'm sure you wouldn't like your country to be constantly under scrutiny by several people here who just seem to enjoy going after us every day.
 
Ray said:
STOP BLAMING MUSLIMS!!!

Right - let's put the blame where it belongs, Christians, the military, the GOP, the NRA, the guv of Texas, etc. etc. etc.

And - it's those nasty ol' guns. But why stop there? If only we could have seized all box cutters, the 3,000 innocents would not have died on 9/11 when those Christians (ooops, Muslims) crashed those planes.
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The blame lies on society as a whole, attempting to pose any group as a victim does absolutely nothing in solving the dilemma, but what it does is form a "back door" excuse of avoiding the problem and therefore, a solution.
 

Senile1,QFT. There was a man arrested on his way to Los Angeles--apparently he was bent on harming gays also. No comment as yet from media re his ethnicity/religion. Appeared to be very western in appearance.
 
Wow, Ruthanne, I am not suggesting you are stupid my friend. Nor am I going after America. Many times in the year and a half while I have been on this forum, I have expressed my affection and support for the American people. The man I love is an

American, for goodness sake. That does not mean I always agree on your country's domestic or foreign policy, anymore than I agree with my own, or Australia's, UK's, etc. As for the Canucks being exempt from criticism, with respect, you are a relative

newcomer,I assure you we have had our share. Fair enough, Canada is far from perfect. I welcome outside input on how my country can better serve its citizens, and the global village. I am truly sorry if I have hurt your feelings, that was never my intent.
 
Shalimar said:
Senile1,QFT. There was a man arrested on his way to Los Angeles--apparently he was bent on harming gays also. No comment as yet from media re his ethnicity/religion. Appeared to be very western in appearance.
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A very good point Ms. Shalimar, tis the psych of society which needs addressing. We forget the most important race, is the human race, in which we all are brothers and sisters.
 
Bettyann said:
STOP BLAMING MUSLIMS!!!! A HUGE problem in America is due to the miserable, ignorant, bigoted, ugly hateful attitudes...especially amongst the Christian RIGHT....Prime example: the Lt Governor of Texas.... America has GOOD PEOPLE...yes...but there is still the UGLY AMERICAN who honestly believes for some unfathomable reason that we are still "God's Country"... what a sick joke. What is dangerous about religion is that much of it perpetuatessick twisted version of what they call "GOD"...believing every word they were taught...which was steeped in Fear and Guilt Conditioning.... The self-righteous judgment that comes from 'religious people' is sickening... Our government WANTS to keep us divided... we are much easier to control that way.... What happened today in Orlando is not 'isolated' ... it is a visible, manifested result of hateful, prejudiced, bigoted thinking.
The murder of the 50 people was horrendous... our military kills 'nicely' in the name of God and Country...all we have to do is push a button and cause death... or don't 'those people' count????
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I don't hear anyone blaming ALL Muslims, just this one American Citizen Isis indoctrinated Muslim who blew away 50 people.
 
Warrigal said:
Perhaps you should take your own advice, Guitarist.
Either that, or adopt a mental detachment when entering the fray.

Personally, I value such threads because I believe that we need to spend some time debriefing after certain events as we try to understand what has happened. If we don't, I think it likely that we will all become so fearful that we won't want to venture outside our homes.
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I'm not afraid to venture from my home -- I love getting out and going places!

I don't need "debriefing" from any of these horrific events because a) I wasn't there so am not traumatized by them; and b) I wasn't a member of a military strike force that got "briefed" before going in. That is what a "debriefing" is, after all -- before going in, operatives are "briefed" on the mission; then afterwards they are "debriefed."

People like us, who live far away from these places, weren't there, have no close friends or family members who were involved, really don't need to discuss these things. If some prurient interest leads us to do so, I think that is harmful, not helpful. There is nothing we can do about them (except pray), and to dwell upon them can actually make people fearful -- certainly messes up people's minds. This isn't being an ostrich, it's taking care of ourselves.

Instead of putting "junk food" into your soul, try feeding it with good news, and quit agonizing over things you can do nothing about.
 
If one cannot respectfully participate in an intelligent conversation on controversial subjects, one should avoid such threads, I say this most respectfully. On the other hand, these threads cover important issues which effects us all and should be open for discussion.
 
I work with refugees. I am not detached, I also have a nephew who worked for Medecin Sans Fronteres. He is currently under a doctor's care for PTSD incurred while serving in the ME. I welcome any and all information which enables me to understand,

and serve the global village in which I live. My interest in such "events" is compassionate, not prurient, I am not helpless--I serve in a small way by supporting veterans, and refugees. I respect that this isn't for everyone, but to label a desire to be

engaged in the nitty gritties of global human tragedy as somehow "junk food for the soul" insults those of us who
Choose to live lives of service, in whatever way we can. The beauty of a forum such as this, is that there is a plethora of

subjects from which to choose--no one need read any threads which they find disturbing, the ignore feature is there to block out posters One prefers not deal with. The members Come from a variety of countries and backgrounds--there is room for us all. Pax.
 
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All these mass shooting happen in gun free zones. If a few of the people had guns that would not happen. If guns are so bad take them away from the police and military.
 
Why does the name Islam have to be included in a description of the killers? Can you imagine if the Klu Klux Klan were called radical Christians? They could be.

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Probably because he claimed he was and said he was doing it for ISIS.
So if you were killing people and saying it is for Jesus they might call you a Christian
 
Ray said:
Anyway, one of the rules was that you could not say "You are wrong" but you could say, "I think you're wrong BECAUSE...." - and it was the "because" that kept the discussion civil yet lively.
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:lol: We were taught that principle by our wonderful fifth grade teacher. We were allowed, even encouraged to raise a hand, wait until called to speak, then we could even challenge 'Sir' about something that he had said or ruled on. Always with respect and reason. Thank you, Mr MacPhee, I will love you till the day I die.
 
Ruthanne said:
Why do you and others need to malign my country so much? I don't see anyone on this site constantly going after Canada or other countries. I'm sure you wouldn't like your country to be constantly under scrutiny by several people here who just seem to enjoy going after us every day.
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You are not the first to feel this way and I have had to convince other members that I am not anti America on several occasions in the past. I admire the American people and their spirit but I am perplexed by your paralysis in the face of an appalling national malaise. Most Americans would be unaware just how much news from your country is featured on our evening news every day. When I am overseas I hear virtually no Australian news anywhere. We do not scrutinise America on purpose but if I want to I only have to change my Google news page to US and then I can read all of your headlines. You can do the same if you want to see what is happening in my neck of the woods.

I do not apologise for expressing my opinion on lax regulation of firearms in US. The national reluctance to tighten up is a contributing factor to so much unnecessary bloodshed. It was Sandy Hook that convinced me that I should add my voice to support US citizens asking for changes that would limit the deaths. I consider much of the rhetoric in support of open slather to be utter nonsense and I will continue to say so. I can also point to our local situation as proof that things can be different.

Try not to take my position personally. We live in a global village now and a critical voice from another friendly country should not be construed as an attack.
 
If you believe someone died at Sandy Hook you have been reading the lying media. There is a e-book free on the web that shows the whole truth. It was a poorly made scam and it has been exposed. The FBI web site shows no deaths due to crime that year.
 
d0ug said:
If you believe someone died at Sandy Hook you have been reading the lying media. There is a e-book free on the web that shows the whole truth. It was a poorly made scam and it has been exposed. The FBI web site shows no deaths due to crime that year.
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Tell that to the parents of the 20 six and seven year old children who did not come home from school that day. It is pathetic when someone would suggest the grief of losing your children to a mass murderer is a "scam". Each time I see someone who would believe internet nonsense and use that garbage to spit in the face of those who will never hold their child close again... will never see their child graduate from school... will never see their child open a Christmas present again... I begin to understand how far we have fallen as a humane society.
 
d0ug said:
If you believe someone died at Sandy Hook you have been reading the lying media. There is a e-book free on the web that shows the whole truth. It was a poorly made scam and it has been exposed. The FBI web site shows no deaths due to crime that year.
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Congratulations, you have just won the prize for the most ridiculous post of the year. You ought to be ashamed and embarrassed.
 
I'm guessing average age of club goer's gay, straight or sideways is around thirty years old. Fifty virtual children dead and people want to bicker how much they love their firearms...How dare you really?
 

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