Is Orlando's debacle a taboo subject?

Verisure said:
Oh pl-e-a-s-e! Spare us the dramatic crap. I wonder how many attended the same church as Ted Bundy. How many people attended the same church where John Wayne Gacy was christened. I wonder who bought manure from he same shop Ed Gein did. How many enjoyed Mrs. Shicklebrüber's apfelstrudel. I wonder if anyone realizes that although a rather high percentage of heroine addicts started out smoking marijuana, it is actually 100% of them started out drinking milk. This is really important information.
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This is not an anomaly. TWO murderers who attended the same mosque committed high profile acts of radial Islamic terrorism. How many people from the churches of Bundy and Gacy became serial killers? Some attendees might have become criminals or committed crime but how many became prolific serial killers? Not saying the entire Mosque consists of terrorists or radicals but there is at least a sub set of members that are dealing in the extreme.

Even a current member of that same mosque told CNN he thinks something "strange" is going on.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/fit...there-are-more-like-orlando-gunman/vp-AAh0lPj
 
suze said:
Everybody,
So sorry to have opened a can of worms here about Orlando. Although it may seem passive aggressive
it was truly a rookie mistake.

suze
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No need to apologize. It's an important topic and one that is all over the news. Everybody has the right to discuss what they want to.

No "mistake" here --- it's a discussion forum.
 
WhatInThe said:
This is not an anomaly. TWO murderers who attended the same mosque committed high profile acts of radial Islamic terrorism. How many people from the churches of Bundy and Gacy became serial killers? Some attendees might have become criminals or committed crime but how many became prolific serial killers? Not saying the entire Mosque consists of terrorists or radicals but there is at least a sub set of members that are dealing in the extreme.
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I understand all of that, WIT, but that sort of information is pulp. It isn't backed up with anything of substance and looks to me like another case of "proof of WMD's". It just winds up the citizen and prepares him to believe the Communists done it! I mean .... the liberals done it! No, I mean the Jews done it! No-no, it was the Japs! Oh yeah, now I remember ....... these days it's the Moslems! They'll be telling us the guy had connections with ISIS, Al Qaida, Hizbollah, The Moslem Brotherhood, the Black Panthers, the Symbionese Liberation Army, Red September, the PLO, the Taliban, HAMAS, Al Shabaab, Omar Shariff, and Cyd Charisse.
 
QuickSilver said:
saw this..

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Yeah, but the NRA think a 2 week shooting course - an official NRA membership badge - and attending a Joan Wayne film marathon is all you need to shot straight and true. Anyway, any collateral damage is sure to be some closet pinko communists or liberals. "I don't know, but I heard the guy who got killed by accident was seen walking past a mosque ..... twice!"
 
Oy that you want to know a can of worms? My Dad called today. A mix of advanced age and med combinations n' he comes out with things he wouldn't have uttered twenty years ago (for the record he's a golden senior-94). He began to rant about jeez I kind of lost track where he was going...I think it broke down to there are too many mixed people in the US and if people didn't do so many drugs and have so much sex and parents did a better job and everybody went to their church then..."Okay Dad I'll call you soon, you take care now..."
 
fureverywhere said:
Oy that you want to know a can of worms? My Dad called today. A mix of advanced age and med combinations n' he comes out with things he wouldn't have uttered twenty years ago (for the record he's a golden senior-94). He began to rant about jeez I kind of lost track where he was going...I think it broke down to there are too many mixed people in the US and if people didn't do so many drugs and have so much sex and parents did a better job and everybody went to their church then..."Okay Dad I'll call you soon, you take care now..."
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I know we're 'off topic' but ..... I remember my grandfather (a real racist) commenting on "mixed people". To prove his point against 'racially mixed' relationships he said, "You just have to look to nature! You don't see dogs and cats mating, do you!" Even I knew (at my young age) that white dogs did mate with black dogs, but telling grand-dad that would have awarded me a beating. I kept silent. But I never forgot it.
 
I just see a drag queen doing a perfect copy of "Band of Gold"...at a memorial service. I might break down and never come back. It's not about guns or who you love. It's the senseless slaughter of fifty young people if our government hadn't been asleep at the switch. Same with my hubby's brother...he can buy firearms...back in the day he would go out and bark at bushes. When he was around here a few years ago the local police said they could " keep an eye on him". Meaning even someone armed and a certified nut job...until they start firing they can't be stopped. You wonder why I love a dog who would disembowel him for me? The dog would be innocent protecting his property and family...if he or us didn't get shot first.
 
fureverywhere said:
..... It's the senseless slaughter of fifty young people if our government hadn't been asleep at the switch. ......
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I don't think "being asleep" is the problem at all. Quite the contrary. They've been too much awake ....... and rousting other people in Irak and Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran, Palestine, Pakistan, Turkey, Cuba, San Salvador, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Panama, Somalia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc. etc. etc.

Now, some of those people have had enough and they've decided to try putting america back to sleep. What goes around ......... you know?
 
Asleep at the switch? Pray tell... How could this have been prevented.. The killer was BORN IN QUEENS NY. Yes.. he was investigated for by the FBI for terrorist connections but cleared.. There are 300+million people in the USA... How does the government monitor all of us and our every move? And even if they tried.. you just know that people would rant over "our intrusive Government"...
 
QuickSilver said:
Asleep at the switch? Pray tell... How could this have been prevented.. The killer was BORN IN QUEENS NY. Yes.. he was investigated for by the FBI for terrorist connections but cleared.. There are 300+million people in the USA... How does the government monitor all of us and our every move? And even if they tried.. you just know that people would rant over "our intrusive Government"...
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I understand what you mean, and of course you're right. On the other hand it sounds like you might be encouraging the NSA to implement even more restrictions and remove even greater "freedoms". But all of that is a saucepan on the floor beneath a leaky roof in the rain. Like I said in my last post, "What goes around .....". Maybe if the US quits pushing people into a corner.... they won't need to charge out of it like a rat with the rabies.
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Then you won't need so much control.
 
Verisure said:
I understand what you mean, and of course you're right. On the other hand it sounds like you might be encouraging the NSA to implement even more restrictions and remove even greater "freedoms". But all of that is a saucepan on the floor beneath a leaky roof in the rain. Like I said in my last post, "What goes around .....". Maybe if the US quits pushing people into a corner.... they won't need to charge out of it like a rat with the rabies.
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Then you won't need so much control.
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What I am saying is we cannot have it both ways. We cannot expect the government to keep us save WITHOUT allowing them the power of surveillance... wouldn't you agree? And we certainly cannot expect Terrorists to NOT use assault weapons if there are no restrictions on them purchasing them.
 
QuickSilver said:
What I am saying is we cannot have it both ways. We cannot expect the government to keep us save WITHOUT allowing them the power of surveillance... wouldn't you agree? And we certainly cannot expect Terrorists to NOT use assault weapons if there are no restrictions on them purchasing them.
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My reply wasn't demonstrative enough, I guess. "Both ways" means TWO CHOICES. You have a third choice which makes the other two unnecessary. Make your government stop using the rest of the world (and its population) as it's your personal door mat. Saying you "cannot expect your government to make you safe" is one a hell of a mouthful. It is your government that is creating the danger in the first place. Tell me that you at least understand what I am saying this time, whether or not you agree can be discussed.
 
Bettyann said:
STOP BLAMING MUSLIMS!!!! ...........What happened today in Orlando is not 'isolated' ... it is a visible, manifested result of hateful, prejudiced, bigoted thinking.
The murder of the 50 people was horrendous... our military kills 'nicely' in the name of God and Country...all we have to do is push a button and cause death... or don't 'those people' count????
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As I was reading your comment Bettyann, I was reminded that there was a time when Christians were the monsters. From about 1095 to the 1200's, the Crusaders invaded and murdered non believers. Then the Inquisitions by the Catholic church in the 1200's when Christians tortured and murdered non-believers....

It seems like religion goes through periods of extreme violence before sensible minds begin to see a new and more beneficial way to manage their beliefs. I think there are many Muslims who are beginning to understand and accept the 'new way' but at the same time, due to increasing communication and awareness, the whole world is forced to watch the convulsions of violence coming out of that system. And one day, if the world survives long enough, we'll see the Muslim community with the odd fringe element left just like the Christians have Westboro Baptist.
 
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