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In Jim Cooley’s open-carry America, even a trip to Walmart can require an AR-15

WINDER, Ga. —All Jim Cooley wants to do is buy some soda. “You want to come to Walmart?” he asks his wife.
“No,” Maria says.
“Pretty please?” Jim asks.
“I’m not going to sit there and have the police called on you. I mean, I don’t want to see that crap,” Maria says, knowing what a trip to Walmart means. She knows her 51-year-old husband has two guns inside the house, and this afternoon it won’t be the 9mm, which he straps on with a round in the chamber when grabbing lunch at his favorite fast-food restaurant or visiting a friend’s auto shop. It’ll be the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, which he brings when going somewhere he thinks is dangerous, like the Atlanta airport, where he’s taken it loaded with a 100-bullet drum, or Walmart, where he thinks crowds could pose easy targets for terrorists.

In a country of relaxing gun laws where it’s now legal to open-carry in 45 states and there are 14.5 million carry permits, every day seems to bring a new version of what open carry can mean. In Kentucky, it’s now legal to open-carry in city buildings. In downtown Cleveland, people carried military-style rifles during the Republican National Convention. In Howell, Mich., last month, a father went openly armed to his child’s middle-school orientation. In Mississippi, it’s now legal to open-carry without a permit at all. And in Georgia, which has passed a “guns everywhere” bill and has issued nearly 1 million carry permits, Jim Cooley is staking out his version of what’s acceptable as he keeps pleading with his wife.

“I got to get soda.”
Maria sighs. She worked the night before assembling air-conditioner compressors at a nearby factory, and in a few hours, she knows she’ll have to leave for another third shift.
“Yeah,” she says, giving in. “I might as well get this travesty out of the way.”
“What travesty?”
“You carrying a big ol’ rifle in the store, scaring the hell out of all the Walmart shoppers.”
“There’s no difference between carrying a rifle and carrying a handgun,” he says.
“You tried that last time, remember?” Maria says, stepping into a pair of flip-flops and running her fingers through her hair. “And what happened? Barrow County sheriffs. Three or four of them.”
“They can’t tell me what and what not to carry,” Jim says. “You know I wouldn’t listen to them anyway.”
“Well, you go one way in the store; I’ll go the other,” Maria says. “Then when they say, ‘Ma’am, do you know this person?’ I’ll say, ‘No, I’ve never seen him before in my life.’ ”
He places a lit cigarette into an ashtray, walks into his bedroom, reaches behind its door, picks up the AR-15, snaps in a magazine with 15 rounds, and slings the rifle around his left shoulder so it rests against his torso.
“Ready?” he asks.
“Yeah,” she says, grabbing her purse and following her husband out the door for an afternoon trip to Walmart to buy soda.

The gun Jim Cooley carries is the ATI Omni-Hybrid Maxx AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. It cost him $579.99. It weighs 6.25 pounds, is 35 inches long, and fires bullets as fast as the trigger can be pulled, and, as Jim has learned, fits nicely between the front seats of a white minivan with peeling paint on the front and a bumper sticker on the back that says, “I ♥ Law.”
Jim goes everywhere now with a gun — if not the AR-15, then his sidearm — and is so reliant on one being close by that it surprises him to think the majority of his life was lived otherwise. He was raised in a working-class family in Chicago, where he can’t imagine living now because of its strict gun laws. But they didn’t bother him then. He didn’t hunt. He didn’t fear for his safety. If his dad had a gun, no one knew. He grew up without a gun, went to church without a gun, married Maria without a gun, began raising two children without a gun, and settled into a life that felt as safe as it was dependable.

But then it began unraveling, starting when he was fired from a trucking job days after telling Maria, who was pregnant with their first child, to quit her job and focus on the baby, that he could support them both. Their first bankruptcy filing wasn’t far behind, then the second, and the third, and then they were moving to Florida, where Maria had family and where Jim got a job with a grocery chain. It transferred him to Winder, and he moved the family into a middle-class neighborhood struggling with crime and drugs.

Jim now steers past the house of a neighbor who sold him his first gun — a .380 semiautomatic for $100 — so he could protect his family from that crime, then past Winder’s only gun shop where he took his dad so he could buy a gun, too. He lights a cigarette, feels the breeze from an open window because the air conditioner is broken, and takes a sip of soda from a big mug that says Athens Regional Medical Center.

It’s a memento of sorts from the day in late 2008 when he emerged from that hospital with three stents in his heart, debts worth $41,052.51 and a dawning realization he was now disabled, broke and would never work again. After the heart attack, he lost most of the circulation in his legs, received three more stents and started using an electric scooter whenever he had to walk long distances.

He told Maria he was all used up, a drag on the family. She should think about leaving him. But she wouldn’t, even after the hospital sued him for unpaid medical bills, even after he was arrested when he carried his .380 outside a school board meeting, even after he came home one day with an AR-15. He shot it at a nearby firing range and, feeling a sense of control that had gone missing in his life, told Maria he could now keep the family safe.

She now sits at his side, as always, in the passenger seat. At first, she didn’t understand the changes she saw in the man she married 24 years ago. Why did he suddenly want a gun when he never mentioned one before? Why did he want her to get one, too? Why did he put two four-inch knives inside the car’s *passenger-side door? And why all the security cameras? Maria glances at a small screen beneath the rearview mirror: It shows feeds from surveillance cameras affixed inside the car that start recording when someone turns the ignition.

But Maria went along with all of it. She bought a .380 semi*automatic and has gotten used to taking it with her wherever she goes. She got used to the cameras, too, including the seven Jim placed around the house’s perimeter. She began to understand why he was so concerned about crime, about terrorists, about the need to protect their family because they couldn’t count on the government to do it for them. Last year, when he showed her his new AR-15 and asked her to shoot it, she did, feeling intimidated afterward. But then she did it again. And when he started bringing the rifle not just to the range, but to Atlanta, to the airport, inside Walmart, she eventually went along with that, too.

So much of her life involves accommodating him now, including just before they left for Walmart and he asked her to send a Facebook message to a local deputy about his plans. “What do you want me to tell him?” Maria had asked.

“Say, ‘Hey, buddy, I’m going to Walmart, and I’m going to have my AR with me, so if any call comes over the radio, you know it’s me,” Jim told her.

Maria sat at a laptop in a bedroom cluttered with stacks of documents, some of which detailed foreclosure proceedings against the house, and saw the browser had 35 tabs open. One was a YouTube video of something called “Police State 101.” Another showed the dictionary definition of the word “law.” Another was a fringe website her husband classifies as “underground,” the sort he started visiting more frequently after he joined a Georgia militia in late 2014 and decided it was up to him to protect his family from foreign and government threats.

She messaged the deputy, then looked at Jim’s Facebook page. It bore pictures of her husband carrying guns and posts about a country dissolving into chaos and videos about people stopping intruders with guns, people killing burglars with guns, people shooting big guns, small guns, all kinds of guns, that he watches late into the night.

She came back to the kitchen table, where Jim sat and smoked.

“At least I notified the sheriff’s department ahead of time,” he said. He looked at Maria. “Come on, come to Walmart with me,” he said. “I got to get soda.”

So she went along with that, too, and now here she is, pulling into a parking spot outside Walmart, and her husband is reaching for an AR-15 that he tells her sometimes he would have no problem using against a thief breaking into their house, or a violent protester in the streets of Milwaukee, or a terrorist in Syria, or, if necessary, even a stray dog on their lawn.

The Walmart Supercenter is outside of downtown Winder, next to the Subway, the Great Clips, the GameStop, and buffered by a parking lot that can easily fit hundreds of cars, but is rarely more than half-full on weekdays. There are two entrances. One is beside the landscaping section and says “Home and Garden” above the doorway. The other, which Jim now walks through, leads to another Subway, this one just inside the supercenter.

As Maria goes ahead, Jim veers to the right, where he climbs into a complimentary electric scooter, repositions his AR-15 so its barrel points toward the scuffed vinyl floor, and rolls into the store.

“Hey, Maria,” he calls when catching up to her. “Do we need any lunch meat?”
“I’ll go get some salami,” she says.
“All right,” he says, now alone, and accelerates the scooter deeper into the store, crossing into the grocery section. Two middle-aged women stand beside a refrigerator, talking. One of them looks at Jim, sees the gun around his neck and goes silent. The other woman turns, and when she sees the gun, her expression freezes, too. But it’s not the fearful looks that Jim notices as he rolls past. It’s a nearby sale. “Eighty-eight cents for a loaf,” he says and keeps moving toward the back of the store.

Not everyone sees his AR-15, which is partially obscured by the cart. One man walks past without a second look. So does a woman, making her way into the clothing section. One couple give Jim wide berth, their eyes on his scooter and, briefly, his gun. And then Jim gets where he’s going — the soda aisle — and sees what he’s looking for.
He reaches out and, grunting, pulls free a 24-pack of Diet Dr. Thunder. Trying not to jostle the AR-15, he leans forward and, twisting awkwardly, drops the box into the scooter’s front cart, accidentally tearing it open.

“They don’t make these things like they used to,” he says quietly and grabs another 24-pack of Diet Dr. Thunder, placing this one inside the cart more gently.

In search of Maria, he continues into the dairy section, where he wheels past a father and his young daughter who stares at his rifle, into aisle 9, where he puts a large can of Great Value Classic Roast Coffee into his cart, and finally back to the front of the supercenter, where he sees Maria ordering salami.

She takes the soda and coffee out of his cart and places it in her own. She gestures at a nearby cheesecake. “They got strawberry swirl,” she says.

He is leaning forward. The muzzle of the loaded gun is pressing against his shoe. Now it’s sliding under his shoelaces.

“Give me the strawberry swirl,” he says, and as Maria heads toward the checkout line with the cheesecake, the salami, the coffee and the soda, he straightens up and the muzzle slides free of his shoe.

He steers toward the front doors, parks the scooter, slowly stands and walks outside, and that’s when a group of employees standing just outside the entrance notices the gun.

“Is that what I see?” one will later recall saying.
“What do we do if he comes in the store?”
“If someone feels uncomfortable, what can we do?”

They continue staring as Jim walks into the parking lot toward the car.

“You know my grandfather was murdered, right?” one of the employees says, and as they launch into a discussion of a robbery and shooting that happened in 1973, they are in the midst of a late summer afternoon in 2016 with its own set of shootings.

In California, by the end of this day, a 61-year-old man will have been shot to death at a carwash.
In Virginia, an intruder will have burst into a home and killed a 24-year-old man inside.
In Missouri, a woman will have shot and killed a man she said was chasing her.

And meanwhile, in Georgia, Jim is braking hard on the ride home, causing his AR-15 to topple forward.
“Can you hold onto that for me, please?” he asks Maria.

“Yeah,” she says, putting the gun back where it was, and without further incident they continue on their way home, where Jim puts away his AR-15, sits down at the kitchen table and takes a drink of Diet Dr. Thunder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9-11e6-bd86-b7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?tid=sm_tw

Please tell me that this is satire or is this really possible in 45 states out of 50?
 

Unlicensed open carry is legal in this state, but I've never seen anything like this. I never even see open carry, except out in the boondocks, like a campsite or walking trails in the desert or mountains, and it makes sense in those places. But around town, no. Stores wouldn't let you in.
 
It appears that Jim Cooley is a real person and he carries his firearm everywhere he can, including airports.

This time from the Washington Post http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/4/jim-cooley-open-carry-activist-carries-loaded-ar-1/

Open-carry activist carries loaded AR-15 through Atlanta airport


A Georgia open-carry activist turned a few heads this week as he carried his loaded AR-15 through the main terminal of Atlanta International Airport.

Jim Cooley said he carried his gun with a 100-round drum through parts of the terminal when he and his wife went to drop their daughter off for a flight Tuesday, a local ABC affiliate reported.

“You can carry in unsecured areas of the airport. Past TSA, never,” he explained.
Mr. Cooley said he was first approached by a fire marshal who asked him why he was carrying the gun in the airport. He said he was then approached by a police officer, who asked him about the gun and whether he was permitted to open carry, ABC reported.

Mr. Cooley said he told the officials that he was carrying the gun for his own safety.
“It shouldn’t matter what I carry, just that I choose to carry,” he said. “You never know where something might happen.”

He said the same police officer from earlier approached him and his wife again as they were exiting the airport. The officer called for backup and Mr. Cooley said a police lieutenant and two officers followed the couple to their car and took pictures of it, ABC reported.

An APD police report says, “At no time was Mr. Cooley deprived of his ability to leave property or freely move around the airport with the weapon. Officers followed to assure the safety of all patrons at the airport.”

FBI Special Agent in Charge Britt Johnson told ABC that although Mr. Cooley did not break federal law, he was questioned why he felt it necessary to exercise that right.

“If you don’t exercise your rights, the government doesn’t have any hesitation taking them away,” Mr. Cooley responded.

Clayton County Solicitor General Tasha Mosley said a Georgia law that took effect in July of last year allows a permitted citizen to carry a gun in a commercial airport, but not to knowingly take it in or beyond TSA screening areas, ABC reported.

Do those things have a safety catch?
 
Most states allow "open carry" of firearms. However, if a building, or store, etc., has signs posted prohibiting firearms, any individual violating that policy is soon asked to leave, and possibly arrested. The examples you seem to be concerned about are probably individuals who are "testing the system".

There are virtually NO reports of anyone who is a open advocate for the 2nd Amendment, or a Concealed Carry permit holder, or even a member of the NRA, ever having committed a firearms crime.
 
Is it about crimes or about consideration of other people?

From the Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Societ...How-important-is-civility-to-open-carry-video

Man with rifle scares at airport: How important is civility to open-carry? (+video)

Now that some states have decided that residents can carry weapons even at the airport, Americans have watched a steady stream of primarily white males testing the boundaries of what is acceptable when it comes to guns in public places.

Atlanta — Jim Cooley says he just wanted to make a point when he brought his AR-15 assault-style rifle out in public. He went bigger than most so-called open-carriers, though, bringing his mean-looking weapon to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, the busiest airfield in the world, to drop off his daughter.Mr. Cooley was confronted several times by law enforcement, even though the Georgia legislature last year made it legal to carry properly licensed weapons at airports in the state.

Cooley took affront to the attention, citing a common refrain among public-carry advocates: that he doesn’t need to account for other people’s feelings or fears when conducting lawful activity. He’s correct, and he was not arrested.

Yet for many travelers, some coming through on international flights, his act still felt threatening and, perhaps more important, given the lethal power at his disposal, irresponsible.

The incident has brought to light an emerging dynamic that could affect the evolution of open carry in the United States: the role of tact, etiquette, and ethics for those who carry personal arsenals.

Indeed, as Texas is set to become the largest state to allow open carry, the evolution of the practice encompasses not just gun rights, but shifting notions around self-defense and even growing insecurities for many blue-collar, white men in America, some of whom see gun carry as central to “duty, relevance, even dignity,” as Jennifer Carlson, a gun rights scholar, writes in the Los Angeles Times.

“Yes, gun owners can do this, and maybe it does some good by raising awareness that this is the law,” says Brian Anse Patrick, a University of Toledo communications professor and author of the upcoming book “PropaGUNda.” “But there’s still this funny area around etiquette and frightening people” that draws a line between “Second Amendment ambassadors and Second Amendment exhibitionists.”

...

Still, it’s clear that gun owners ignoring the discomfort of others has become an issue, especially for police, who are fielding calls around the country about armed men and women in public areas. Some of those, including the police shooting of an airsoft gun-toting 12-year-old named Tamir Rice in Cleveland last year, have ended in tragedy.

Writing about an incident last year in Forsyth County, Ga., where a man shut down a Little League game after telling everyone, “Look, I got a gun and there’s nothing you can do about it,” gun rights advocate Nicki Kenyon called for gun owners to remember their manners.

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The issue of increased open carry, critics say, comes down to the extent to which Americans are willing to trust armed strangers, given the overpowering speed and lethality of firearms.

“You have quite a few people afraid because calls are coming in left and right," an Atlanta police officer told Cooley, the airport open-carry activist, in one of the YouTube videos he posted.

"People think that if you're simply carrying your firearm, regardless of how you're carrying it, you're a bad person," Cooley later told the New York Daily News. "But if you're not carrying it in a menacing or threatening manner, it should be no cause for concern for anybody."
 
Regardless of what this man is doing, you don't see people walking around open carrying weapons, and least I never have, anywhere I've been, except out in the aforesaid boondocks. I know people with CC permits, but their weapons are concealed, of course, and you don't see them. And I'm pretty sure open carry of weapons would not be permitted in our airport here. I think that would be regulated by state law.
 
I am reassured by your post Butterfly but apparently the aim of activists like Jim Cooley is to desensitise the public until they accept as normal that everyone will walk around fully armed as they once did.

Again from the Christian Science Monitor

In interviews, gun owners who draw attention to themselves with their weaponry often acknowledge they’re making both a personal and political statement. One motivation is protecting family and others in case of an attack. The other motivation is to provide “a little bit of a political push” to make people more comfortable around guns, says a Kalamazoo, Mich., man who last year brought a gun to a grade-school reading hour at a library.

Even inside the gun rights movement, the issue of open-carry decorum is looming larger, given high-profile incidents that paint at least some gun owners as unstable, paranoid, and just plain rude for introducing potential weapons of mass mayhem to Little League games and airport check-in counters.

“The people who open-carry and want it to be viewed as normal, which it obviously was for most of American history

Since my father's enlistment in the AIF during WW II no-one in my family has ever owned a firearm except for a couple of cousins who were farmers. My only experience with one was the day I went to a clay pigeon shoot and had a couple of shots at a tin can with a .22 rifle. I was hopeless.

You will perhaps understand why I am extremely leery of seeing anyone armed with something as lethal looking as an automatic or semiautomatic rifle, especially in any public place that I happen to be in.

When I was in Rome in 1985 I saw lots of police standing around armed with such weapons and it sent a shiver down my spine. They were everywhere we went, in the tourist areas and the airport. It made me nervous because it suggested that there was some danger that they were there to prevent or deal with. I was right. Two weeks after we left Rome a planeload of Israelis were mown down while lined up at checkin by terrorists armed with automatics. Most of them died in the hail of bullets.

My natural instinct if I see police armed with such weapons is to finish my business quickly and leave the area as soon as possible for somewhere safer. I can cope with our police having a pistol strapped to their belts but if they are carrying the heavy stuff I take this as a sign that all is not well.

I could never be comfortable at the supermarket or the public library if a civilian walked in armed with an AR-15 or similar. If I had a child with me I would be backing out of the room with the child behind me for protection. Surely I can't be the only woman who feels like this? Am I?
 
I was sitting in our local Comcast store waiting to return our cable box (lines are like the drivers lisense building) and in walks this dude with a holster that is bright fluorescent orange and a gun!!! I about crapped my pants! Everyone shifted to the other side of the room. Hope that's my first and last experience like that.
 
I was sitting in our local Comcast store waiting to return our cable box (lines are like the drivers lisense building) and in walks this dude with a holster that is bright fluorescent orange and a gun!!! I about crapped my pants! Everyone shifted to the other side of the room. Hope that's my first and last experience like that.

The folks quivering in fear at the sight of a firearm are the ones with the problem.
Do you seriously think that a guy prominently displaying his weapon in an orange holster is any kind of danger???
As to the guy that carries his AR15 to Wal Mart, Well he is a fool, well within his rights,but most of all not a danger to anyone.
If your are paralyzed with terror at the sight of a firearm, I suggest that it is you that has a problem.

I can pretty much guarantee that those folks in Minnesota were overjoyed that a man with a gun showed up!

Why is it so hard for you folks that want to take away my God given right to self defense to understand that unless you are engaged in gang activity or other criminal activity your odds of be shot, killed ,or even seeing a firearm is so extremely low as to be an anomaly.

I find it extremely entertaining that Austrailia,who thirty years ago had a knee jerk reaction to a madman, confiscating guns,promising the populace that they were now secure an safe from the big scary monster, now has to have another rround of confiscation.

Where did these new arms come from? Did they just materialize? Were some folks cheating when the man came banging on their door? I mean a law was passed!
 
God given right?

Where is it written in the scriptures that you can carry a gun? Or even a sword? I seem to remember Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane rebuking Peter and saying that those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. That doesn't sound like an endorsement of being armed to the teeth when you leave your house. At least not to me.

Also, if this is true - "unless you are engaged in gang activity or other criminal activity your odds of be shot, killed ,or even seeing a firearm is so extremely low as to be an anomaly" then why do you need to carry a gun in the first place?
 
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During the recent terror attack in Minnesota, the attack was foiled by a off-duty police officer carrying a side arm. The off-duty police officer who engaged Adair Adan was a member of the NRA. He also was an instructor of concealed carry classes. It just goes to show what a person who is properly trained and has a concealed carry can do to save those in need. Thank God for Jason Falconer, a credit to policemen everywhere and a true hero.
 
I haven't been talking about concealed carry of a sidearm, or even open carry of a properly holstered hand gun although I prefer that the person displaying the gun is wearing a uniform. I have no problem with police carrying their firearm when off duty either, provided that they are deemed fit to do so.

This morning on the radio I heard that each year several hundred members of the Australian Defence Force have their access to firearms suspended. The reasons can be failure to pass a firearms handling test, domestic violence or pending criminal prosecution. I suspect that a goodly proportion of civilians would be under a similar cloud but who monitors them? Probably nobody which is why I would be very wary about a man entering a public space carrying an AR-15 or similar. How does one know that he is not about to blow his stack?
 
People hate the AR15 because the way it looks. It's the most popular rifle in America because of its versatility. People are terrified of the man walking down the street with a AR15 but this 13 kid shoots twice as fast with a lever action rifle.


 
I wouldn't be able to tell an AR - 15 from a shotgun or a Kalashnikov. To me they are all ominous in the hands of a civilian.

I hated it when the cadets at my son's high school carried their rifles into the school chapel, even though I knew they weren't loaded. The idea of guns in church offends me. Even if you taped a white rose to every muzzle I would still have a negative reaction.

Yes, I know that this is my issue but these firearms are weapons of war and in a war situation they are a necessary evil but not at the supermarket, the airport, the library or the sports stadium. Here they have no place except in the hands of law enforcement.

Again, my personal opinion and I understand that others think differently. May we each hear the other with respect. Peace.
 
The off-duty police officer... POLICE OFFICER... in Minnesota was also a gun safety... GUN SAFETY... instructor. Anyone who is properly trained in the use of a firearm and carrying is okay with me. Where I get concerned is what our State has evolved to. Today, in our State, ANYONE 21 years old or older... with no criminal background... can carry concealed. No longer do they require any training in the safe handling of the firearm. No longer do they require a license to carry concealed. And, anyone can open carry.

We now have passed legislation that will allow any college student 21 years old or older to carry concealed on campus... without any training or permit. Jilted lovers... student upset over grades... too much beer... arming the college student population is, IMHO, a mistake which will result in innocents getting hurt and/or killed. Arming the untrained and allowing them to carry in restaurants, WalMart, etc. will end up with people getting hurt and/or killed.

Require extensive training in the handling of your firearm. Then, issue a permit to those who have successfully completed said training. In the miniscule possibility of a situation that requires a citizen to defend himself/herself with a firearm in a crowded establishment, I would much rather a few with at least some training begin firing... not a bunch of politically active idiots who may not have ever fired the weapon they carry before begin firing at anything which moves.
 
That makes sense to me Grumpy. I would add to that the right of police to see evidence of this training from an accredited body. People without the correct authorisation should not be allowed to be in charge of their firearms in the same way that people who are drunk or drug affected are not permitted to continue to drive a vehicle if the police stop them and they fail a sobriety/breath test or are found not to have a valid licence.
 
The folks quivering in fear at the sight of a firearm are the ones with the problem.
Do you seriously think that a guy prominently displaying his weapon in an orange holster is any kind of danger???
As to the guy that carries his AR15 to Wal Mart, Well he is a fool, well within his rights,but most of all not a danger to anyone.
If your are paralyzed with terror at the sight of a firearm, I suggest that it is you that has a problem.

I can pretty much guarantee that those folks in Minnesota were overjoyed that a man with a gun showed up!

Why is it so hard for you folks that want to take away my God given right to self defense to understand that unless you are engaged in gang activity or other criminal activity your odds of be shot, killed ,or even seeing a firearm is so extremely low as to be an anomaly.

I find it extremely entertaining that Austrailia,who thirty years ago had a knee jerk reaction to a madman, confiscating guns,promising the populace that they were now secure an safe from the big scary monster, now has to have another rround of confiscation.

Where did these new arms come from? Did they just materialize? Were some folks cheating when the man came banging on their door? I mean a law was passed!

'GOD GIVEN RIGHT"?????????? Please direct me to a specific passage in the Bible where God asserts that we should all carry a firearm.
 
'GOD GIVEN RIGHT"?????????? Please direct me to a specific passage in the Bible where God asserts that we should all carry a firearm.

No God does not specify what means I am allowed to use to preserve his creation(me), however I do believe it defendants choice !
If you truly think that your creator does not want you to preserve the life he has created for you, by all means curl up into the fetal position and die.
I for one have a duty to maintain my life, and I will carry out that duty with the most aggressive means available.
 
'GOD GIVEN RIGHT"?????????? Please direct me to a specific passage in the Bible where God asserts that we should all carry a firearm.

God didn't list the things that were allowed, just the things that were not. I don't think God talked about cars, airplanes or computers, either.

I don't think anybody said God directed us to all carry a firearm.
 
No God does not specify what means I am allowed to use to preserve his creation(me), however I do believe it defendants choice !
If you truly think that your creator does not want you to preserve the life he has created for you, by all means curl up into the fetal position and die.
I for one have a duty to maintain my life, and I will carry out that duty with the most aggressive means available.
Hmmm. Some of us feel a duty to preserve other lives also. More than once I have put my body where my mouth is. Faced down agitated peeps a foot taller and a hundred lbs heavier in order to deescalate a potentially hazardous situation. Goes with the job. Still don't carry a gun. Your choice to do differently, but I don't curl up for anybody. Insulting. Courage, like morality, wears many faces. One size does not fit all. Your so-called American model is one choice, not the only choice.
 


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