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Robusta

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I for one am not outraged or dismayed by the reports of this guy cavalier attitude. Anyone who "allegedly" commits the crimes that he has,would not be considered to be normal and there is no reason to expect normalcy from him.

I am 100% death penalty for this guy if he is found guilty. The human animal is an amazingly resilient creature. If he survived his first couple of years inside, at his young age, he would totally adjust and possibly even thrive in such a regimented environment. Make no mistake that there is a large contingent of like minded individuals that would offer protection from those who might do him harm.

Some people should just not be allowed to draw breath
 

I don't know who this person is, or what he had 'allegedly' done, but I do know that prison is a good place to keep one's mouth shut, particularly if said person did something controversial .
 

I agree that he should get the death penalty. When it is proven without a doubt that someone kills nine innocent people in cold blood, then they should get the same. Ideally, he would be killed in the same manner that he killed those poor people in that church. But they'll baby him with a sleepy time injection and let him go out with a smile on his face. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
 
Both my wife and I are totally opposed to judicial killing.

In this case the individual is quite obviously of unsound mind and therefore mentally ill.

Should people be killed because of an illness?

If there are people so vindictive as to want to see an end to his life then by all means present him with the means to end his own life, in other cases where some terrible act based on pure criminality them a period of incarceration and then provided with the means of ending their life, but to execute as some forms of punishment IMO is putting the nstion-srate on a par with the perpetrator.

There is no god, there is no afterlife in which an individual is punished, there is - nothing. Oblivion. Punish criminals, treat the ill. Judicial execution is quite simply disgusting.
 
People seem to ignore that there are many components to justice. Not the least of which is vengeance. I am not cavalier about the death penalty. I know that just as often as not that it is wielded inappropriately. This man may, almost certainly does have a mental illness,but he knows taking the life of an innocent person let alone several is wrong. that fact is hard wired into our psyche at birth,if your mind does not contain that prohibition you are something less than human and need to go!

In this case the penalty is warranted!
 
Robusta said:
People seem to ignore that there are many components to justice. Not the least of which is vengeance. I am not cavalier about the death penalty. I know that just as often as not that it is wielded inappropriately. This man may, almost certainly does have a mental illness,but he knows taking the life of an innocent person let alone several is wrong. that fact is hard wired into our psyche at birth,if your mind does not contain that prohibition you are something less than human and need to go!

In this case the penalty is warranted!
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Same analogy could be applied on a large scale to some very dubious wars.
 
I think the death penalty is a throwback to medieval concepts of retribution, guilt, evil, etc. etc. We should have moved beyond that long ago. I agree with everything aeron has said.

It seems to me that locking someone up for life and throwing away the key is more than enough punishment. Facing that for the rest of one's life is probably a worse fate than being executed.

Societies with a death penalty are no safer to live in than those without. It does not prevent murders, particularly by the mentally ill.

The introduction of DNA evidence provided enough proof of innocent people locked up on death row (who were then released) to indicate how unjust the death penalty is. And once a mistake has been made,
there is no way of reversing it after the wrong person has been executed. It also, in this country, has a racist component.

It is time for us to move ahead and stop letting cruelty and a desire for "revenge" motivate us. Society as a whole must be above the level of the disgusting actions of criminals. Repaying killing by more killing accomplishes nothing.
 
Sunny said:
I think the death penalty is a throwback to medieval concepts of retribution, guilt, evil, etc. etc. We should have moved beyond that long ago. I agree with everything aeron has said.

It seems to me that locking someone up for life and throwing away the key is more than enough punishment. Facing that for the rest of one's life is probably a worse fate than being executed.

Societies with a death penalty are no safer to live in than those without. It does not prevent murders, particularly by the mentally ill.

The introduction of DNA evidence provided enough proof of innocent people locked up on death row (who were then released) to indicate how unjust the death penalty is. And once a mistake has been made,
there is no way of reversing it after the wrong person has been executed. It also, in this country, has a racist component.

It is time for us to move ahead and stop letting cruelty and a desire for "revenge" motivate us. Society as a whole must be above the level of the disgusting actions of criminals. Repaying killing by more killing accomplishes nothing.
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Compelling argument. QFT.
 
Locking someone up and throwing away the key,is no punishment at all. As I said earlier, the human animal is amazingly adaptable creature. After a short period of time, the lack of freedom,the reigimentation, even the heightened atmosphere of danger become the norm and in most cases quite a comfortable existence. Some will even thrive to become top predator.

Sorry no agreement from me, sometimes the ultimate is the most fitting solution for society as a whole.
 
Locking someone up and throwing away the key,is no punishment at all.
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So, you consider the permanent loss of one's freedom to be "no punishment?" Never again to choose where, how and with whom to live? Really?
 
Sunny said:
So, you consider the permanent loss of one's freedom to be "no punishment?" Never again to choose where, how and with whom to live? Really?
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You are looking at the situation through the eyes of a free person. If you were to be locked up for the rest of your natural life, especially at the young age of 23,would you spend that time with a woe is me attitude,or would you seize control of your new reality. Eventually what is foreign becomes familiar,what is familiar becomes strange. Sure, the idea of freedom would always be there,but in your reality it would be only an abstract concept.

Imprisonment for the short term can be effective because the eventual goal of freedom and the landmarks you need to achieve to gain that end is incentive to conform and move forward.

If imprisoned for near life or even longer,your only goal is survival,so you make whatever mental adjustments necessary to accomplish this without going insane.
 
There is no god, there is no afterlife in which an individual is punished, there is - nothing. Oblivion. Punish criminals, treat the ill. Judicial execution is quite simply disgusting.

I'm not quite sure how to read this. Is this merely your opinion? Many of us do believe in a hereafter. In Judaism there is not a clear cut Heaven or Hell. But there is sometimes a belief that those who do particularly heinous acts do get some kind of divine punishment. My feelings are shaped by knowing a young man personally who died from gun violence.

Just thirty years old and it rattled his large family to their core. In that case the death penalty can at least bring some closure to the survivors. It's not vengeance as much as wanting justice served. That young man will never have his own family or walk the streets again. Why should the perpetrators be allowed to? Because they murdered someone in a botched robbery? I for one don't feel they should ever get out again.
 
Robusta said:
Locking someone up and throwing away the key,is no punishment at all. As I said earlier, the human animal is amazingly adaptable creature. After a short period of time, the lack of freedom,the reigimentation, even the heightened atmosphere of danger become the norm and in most cases quite a comfortable existence. Some will even thrive to become top predator.

Sorry no agreement from me, sometimes the ultimate is the most fitting solution for society as a whole.
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#1 just to clarify, I'm not "against" the death penalty pasrticularly, there are just some crimes that are so heinous, that putting the perpetrator to death helps society feel some justice. Timothy McVeigh is such an example.

#2 I am not particularly "for" the death penalty, as prolonged appeals often prolong the pain of the victim's family members. Plus, nobody really 'heals' after the death penalty is carried out.


Robusta said:
Locking someone up and throwing away the key,is no punishment at all
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Well, I have to disagree with that statement, I work in a prison(and over 1/4 century in jails) and I see that just being deprived of one's freedom IS in fact a huge punishment, although most inmate's do adapt and create their own "program" for survival.


What is evil? Some people that do evil things could be considered "crazy", yes? Being evil is just a crazy thing, but some people just are.


In my view, all people are capable of doing evil(including murder), but people that can restrain the evil impulses/tenancies are not recognized as being evil, yes?

Some people can change, and leave the evil behind. Some won't or can't. It is hard to tell who can redeem themselves, and who can't. Only God knows.
 

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