Tragedy in Vegas, do you think anything will be done with the gun laws or the same old rhetoric?

[CeeCee]

But they don't check into your luggage at a hotel. That's why this guy was able to get guns on the elevator and into his room without arousing suspicion. The crowd was helpless. This was a gun free area, so they couldn't even carry a gun in for protection.

They may start doing that now, I don't know. They might not have checked him anyway even it was a rule. He was pretty well known there, a high roller. Not suspicious.

Bringing a couple suitcases in each day isn't even noticed in the crowded lobbies in Vegas hotels..people coming and going 24/7 there.

 

[Knight]

I wonder why gun control already in place in various forms can't be consolidated into one uniform reasonable set of laws that all states have to comply with. That might satisfy those that think no gun ownership is the answer. No gun ownership might sound good until those that want no guns figure out that we have countries bordering our north & south.

During the Fast and Furious investigation, nearly 2,000 firearms were illegally purchased for $1.5 million, according to a DOJ inspector General report. Hundreds of guns were later recovered in the US and Mexico.

Honest people with good intent buy and don't harm anyone . Our gov. on the other hand in their divine wisdom manage to cause the above.

 

[Big Horn]

It was in a theater in Aurora, CO that a crazy person went on a shooting spree. There's no place where you're really safe, so I'm not going to worry about it.
I will check where exits are and things like that though.

Ive NEVER been in a mosh pit and doubt I ever will...do they even still do that??

He picked a place where guns are banned by the management. Save a life; carry a gun.

 

[Cap'nSacto]

Like football players and CTE?

I had to look up CTE; Chronic traumatic encephalopathy, most often from multiple head injury. I've seen their helmets, held one and it weighed a ton. There are sport regulations re: unnecessary roughness. Still, some of them take some serious hits. I think their legs, ankles, knees are way more vulnerable, but I've never played the game like they do. The use of performance enhancing drugs as a cause for behavioral changes holds more water, imo.

 

[Cap'nSacto]

I wonder why gun control already in place in various forms can't be consolidated into one uniform reasonable set of laws that all states have to comply with. That might satisfy those that think no gun ownership is the answer. No gun ownership might sound good until those that want no guns figure out that we have countries bordering our north & south.

During the Fast and Furious investigation, nearly 2,000 firearms were illegally purchased for $1.5 million, according to a DOJ inspector General report. Hundreds of guns were later recovered in the US and Mexico.

Honest people with good intent buy and don't harm anyone . Our gov. on the other hand in their divine wisdom manage to cause the above.

Because the USA is not supposed to have a central government at all; that's in our constitution. Each state is supposed to have the power to make their own laws. That power was intended to prevent the formation of a central, all-powerful government...a federal government, if you will.

 

[Warrigal]

But they don't check into your luggage at a hotel. That's why this guy was able to get guns on the elevator and into his room without arousing suspicion. The crowd was helpless. This was a gun free area, so they couldn't even carry a gun in for protection.

Perhaps if someone in the crowd had a shoulder fired mortar he might have been able to shoot at the broken window?

 

[Smiling Jane]

I had to look up CTE; Chronic traumatic encephalopathy, most often from multiple head injury. I've seen their helmets, held one and it weighed a ton. There are sport regulations re: unnecessary roughness. Still, some of them take some serious hits. I think their legs, ankles, knees are way more vulnerable, but I've never played the game like they do. The use of performance enhancing drugs as a cause for behavioral changes holds more water, imo.

Football players' brains that have been autopsied show an alarming rate of CTE; it's present in 99% of NFL brains. Compare rugby where players also get hit. Rugy players don't wear helmets but there's no line of scrimmage and they don't set out to kill each other or prevent other guys on the field from ever playing again.

I've been following the CTE story that was initially covered by PBS and has now gained traction to the point where people are beginning to demand that something be done. It's the reason so many NFL players are crazy by the time they retire and so many commit suicide. It's a long way beyond the damage caused by other injuries and performance enhancing drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.html

Those other vulnerable areas aren't likely to turn players into Aaron Hernandez.

 

[Smiling Jane]

Perhaps if someone in the crowd had a shoulder fired mortar he might have been able to shoot at the broken window?

I'm laughing because that's pretty much what I was thinking. I have a pistol that I bought after a series of nearby home invasions. Firing on the Mandalay Bay with my peashooter would have accomplished exactly nothing.

 

[Cap'nSacto]

Football players' brains that have been autopsied show an alarming rate of CTE; it's present in 99% of NFL brains. Compare rugby where players also get hit. Rugy players don't wear helmets but there's no line of scrimmage and they don't set out to kill each other or prevent other guys on the field from ever playing again.

I've been following the CTE story that was initially covered by PBS and has now gained traction to the point where people are beginning to demand that something be done. It's the reason so many NFL players are crazy by the time they retire and so many commit suicide. It's a long way beyond the damage caused by other injuries and performance enhancing drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.html

Those other vulnerable areas aren't likely to turn players into Aaron Hernandez.

Thanks for the link, Jane.

"Those other vulnerable areas aren't likely to turn players into Aaron Hernandez." That's very true, and I didn't mean to imply that they did. I was just really awed by the type of padding material and stuff in that helmet I got to hold. To really prevent this type of injury, they'd have to totally change the game of football. Unfortunately, there's tons of profit involved, and die-hard fans too.

 

[Butterfly]

I'm laughing because that's pretty much what I was thinking. I have a pistol that I bought after a series of nearby home invasions. Firing on the Mandalay Bay with my peashooter would have accomplished exactly nothing.

I agree. I don't think that, in this event, having a weapon would have made any difference; anything you could have carried in wouldn't have done any good at that range.

 

[Butterfly]

I'd much rather be inconvenienced than dead.

Me too, Falcon.

 

[Smiling Jane]

Thanks for the link, Jane.

"Those other vulnerable areas aren't likely to turn players into Aaron Hernandez." That's very true, and I didn't mean to imply that they did. I was just really awed by the type of padding material and stuff in that helmet I got to hold. To really prevent this type of injury, they'd have to totally change the game of football. Unfortunately, there's tons of profit involved, and die-hard fans too.

The problem with the special helmets and all that padding is that it's probably a case of "too little too late." They're seeing kids who have CTE from football, so it seems likely it takes fewer hits than they initially realized, or that concussions are pretty much standard throughout the sport.

The practice of heading in women's soccer is coming to an end for the same reason. It's being reported that women soccer players are especially vulnerable to concussions. They're also beginning to cite rugby injuries although nowhere close to the same prevalence as U.S. football.

 

[Butterfly]

I was listening to a talk radio program - not sure which; I was just pushing the "seek" button and landed on it. A guy phoned in and made an interesting point about the portability of weapons, and how toxic gases or similar weaponized chemicals would be an alternative to large guns for mass murderers. Focusing on guns isn't going to solve the problem, imo.

"...any attempt to confiscate existing weapons would probably meet with massive resistance..."

I would resist. I agree that there should be limits on semi-automatic weapons, but I believe there are some limitations in the ownership laws already.

I'd resist, too. It would be an impossible task to try to confiscate the weapons in my state -- we are not required to register firearms, and many of us bought our weapons before the background check business became law. Here, a very large percentage of households have firearms. I know that just about all my neighbors do, as do I.

I completely agree that semi-auto weapons and of course full auto weapons, should not be in civilians' hands. I can't imagine how any civilian could justify a need to have one.

 

[Cap'nSacto]

I'd resist, too. It would be an impossible task to try to confiscate the weapons in my state -- we are not required to register firearms, and many of us bought our weapons before the background check business became law. Here, a very large percentage of households have firearms. I know that just about all my neighbors do, as do I.

I completely agree that semi-auto weapons and of course full auto weapons, should not be in civilians' hands. I can't imagine how any civilian could justify a need to have one.

Don't want to get too political, but yeah for sure, weapons confiscation would get ugly here. I imagine the National Guard would have to get involved, and they'd have to use their vow to "..defend [the country] against all enemies foreign and domestic.."

The shooting in Vegas is, in my opinion, about the ugliest attack of its kind I've seen, though. Those poor people were fish in a barrel. Just makes you say What the...?? Absolute dismay.

 

[chic]

I think they already check bags and backpacks at concerts and certain venues...don't they?

There's a CVS store where I live that no longer allows anyone to bring into the store their backpacks or book bags. You have to leave them in the foyer where anyone could steal them, or not shop in their store.

I guess safety has a price.

 

[Big Horn]

There's a CVS store where I live that no longer allows anyone to bring into the store their backpacks or book bags. You have to leave them in the foyer where anyone could steal them, or not shop in their store.

I guess safety has a price.

Too high a price for me—I'd shop somewhere else.

 

[RadishRose]

They were checking women's handbags and everyone's back packs at concerts since the early 80's at least, but were checking for liquor.

 

[Big Horn]

They were checking women's handbags and everyone's back packs at concerts since the early 80's at least, but were checking for liquor.

I wouldn't tolerate that either. The store mentioned above is almost certainly just trying to prevent shoplifting, but that doesn't mean that I should suffer. I wouldn't go anyplace where I had to obey bully boys.

 

[Falcon]

After you've checked into your hotel room, hardly anybody ever checks how many times you go out to your car and back in.

Too many hotel guests doing that to makes any sense.

 

[Sunny]

The shooting in Vegas is, in my opinion, about the ugliest attack of its kind I've seen, though. Those poor people were fish in a barrel. Just makes you say What the...?? Absolute dismay.

They're all fish in a barrel, Cap'n. People sitting and praying in church? First graders in a classroom?

 

[Linda W.]

There's no place safe in this country, because we're all just targets in games where shooters try to kill the most people. Myself, I avoid large gatherings of people. The odds are better that way. There will be better laws someday to protect people a bit. In the meantime, avoid large crowds and learn how to stay as safe as you can.

 

[Cap'nSacto]

They're all fish in a barrel, Cap'n. People sitting and praying in church? First graders in a classroom?

I don't mean to sound insensitive, but that's kind of like saying fish-in-a-barrel ~vs~ whack-a-mole. One mass murder is no less appalling than the other, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

 

[exwisehe]

But I can't stay out of crowds! And I'm not going to.

I regularly go to the symphony (my daughter is a member), go to a large church (usually 1000+ in attendance), summer music festival at Wintergreen, Va. and other places, the Lime Kilm theater in Lexington, va, such places as the university auditorium where my daughter works and they have special programs, talks, concerts, etc. Also, I'm a member of an international group of men and women who meet once a year in a large city such as Atlanta to hold a convention where there are thousands of people.

We can't stop living just because some deranged individual commits a horrible deed such as he did.

 

[Big Horn]

The people were in a gun-free zone. They had no way to defend themselves. If just a few had had even handguns, they could have pinned the shooter at worst, killed him at best.

We must get rid of gun-free zones AKA criminal comfort zones.

 

[NancyNGA]

I would consider the odds. Still think driving is more dangerous, and I *have* to do that almost every day. Would not hesitate to go to a concert, if I really liked concerts. Might think twice if I knew a lot of patrons were carrying handguns.