Cannabis

I think those states that sanction these "soft" drugs are doing the users a favour as they can then control it. To make it illegal simply puts it underground where unscrupulous people can control it and sell it at extortionate prices.

As a matter of interest, I just wonder if there is any co-relation between the states that do sanction soft drug home production and usage and gun crimes in those states vs other states? Are there more incidents?
 

Big Horn said:
The following will offend those who worship marijuana.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171006164855.htm
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... Persistent cannabis use should therefore be considered as an indicator of future violent behaviour in patients who leave a psychiatric hospital for follow-up in an outpatient clinic, although the researcher points out that this behaviour tends to fade with time.


"This decrease could be explained by better adherence to treatment (the patient becomes more involved in their treatment over time) and by better support from their entourage ...
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In other words, "we didn't check whether the patients were taking their meds".

http://www.jhunewsletter.com/2017/10/19/smoking-pot-can-increase-violent-behavior-later-in-life/
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Funny - I can find no citation for a "recently published study" in the Psychological Medicine Journal listings ... only one article for 2017, and that had nothing to do with this "study".
 
Cap'n Mike said:
I think those states that sanction these "soft" drugs are doing the users a favour as they can then control it. To make it illegal simply puts it underground where unscrupulous people can control it and sell it at extortionate prices.
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But "the powers that be" prefer to keep it illegal so their private prison system can continue to make loads of money and give police departments soft targets.

As a matter of interest, I just wonder if there is any co-relation between the states that do sanction soft drug home production and usage and gun crimes in those states vs other states? Are there more incidents?
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Good question.

According to Snopes, there is no correlation.

This article by a Colorado law firm states that the crime rate has actually dropped.

Most of the negative comments came from Session's statement about increased crime levels, which was not based on any real stats, and the remainder is fear-mongering among anti-marijuana proponents, just like in the bad old days of Reefer Madness.
 
In all my years as a therapist, I have never encountered a client whose mind was ruined by cannabis, or who was triggered
into violent episodes as a result of using it. This applies to both medical and recreational forms. I have known many addicts, most primarily dependent on alcohol or painkillers, but also interfaced with a number of individuals hooked on coke, heroin, or other street drugs.

With the exception of the methamphetamine type narcotics users, the most violent patients among them were usually severe alcoholics, particularly if they mixed booze with other drugs. For every person who fell into addiction as a young person through “bad company,” I saw legions who were self medicating as a desperate attempt to cope with intolerable pain, physical and or mental anguish.
 
After Charles Whitman climbed to the top of that tower, authorities said they found marijuana in his home and they speculated that's what triggered a psychotic episode.

I remember my mother laughing at that. She said she had seen her daughter (me) and her friends stoned on many occasions and none of them could have mustered up the energy to climb to the top of anything, much less kill people when they got there.

It's all part of the Reefer Madness propaganda. Some people didn't understand it was fictional.

We used to get high and go see the movie whenever it came to town. We would be rolling. It's a great, funny movie, hilarious to watch when stoned.
 
Smiling Jane said:
After Charles Whitman climbed to the top of that tower, authorities said they found marijuana in his home and they speculated that's what triggered a psychotic episode.

I remember my mother laughing at that. She said she had seen her daughter (me) and her friends stoned on many occasions and none of them could have mustered up the energy to climb to the top of anything, much less kill people when they got there.

It's all part of the Reefer Madness propaganda. Some people didn't understand it was fictional.

We used to get high and go see the movie whenever it came to town. We would be rolling. It's a great, funny movie, hilarious to watch when stoned.
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I have watched it numerous times, love the facial contortions on the man’s face.
 
Shalimar said:
In all my years as a therapist, I have never encountered a client whose mind was ruined by cannabis, or who was triggered
into violent episodes as a result of using it. This applies to both medical and recreational forms. I have known many addicts, most primarily dependent on alcohol or painkillers, but also interfaced with a number of individuals hooked on coke, heroin, or other street drugs.

With the exception of the methamphetamine type narcotics users, the most violent patients among them were usually severe alcoholics, particularly if they mixed booze with other drugs. For every person who fell into addiction as a young person through “bad company,” I saw legions who were self medicating as a desperate attempt to cope with intolerable pain, physical and or mental anguish.
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Very well said Shalimar. Our Attorney General thinks we need to "crack down" on marijuana...probably brought on by a campaign contribution from the liquor industry.
 
Anomaly 73 said:
Very well said Shalimar. Our Attorney General thinks we need to "crack down" on marijuana...probably brought on by a campaign contribution from the liquor industry.
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Of course, to many, alcohol is not a drug. I predict, that within a generation, most people will shake their heads wondering what all the fuss was about. Reefer madness, indeed. Loll.:rolleyes:
 
Alcohol is a great solvent, if it can take off the sticky stuff left by duct tape, think of what it does to the human brain?

Alcohol is (of course) the #1 substance of abuse. Everyone knows that all you need is a few shots of alcohol = instant @$$h*le.

Meth and crack cocaine= very bad news, sociopathic behavior, potential for violence- high.

Herion- more very bad news,

Heroin, meth and crack elicit criminal behavior, property crimes, interpersonal problems and potential violence.

Pot- the biggest problem with pot is it's legal status. Cops know that pop use is in the low risk category, confiscate the weed, issue a citation and gone on to deal with real criminal activity.


The prisons in California are full of meth, crack and heroin users. I'm sure they've all smoked pot, and drank alcohol.

The gateway drug? Tobacco.
 
Shalimar said:
Of course, to many, alcohol is not a drug. I predict, that within a generation, most people will shake their heads wondering what all the fuss was about. Reefer madness, indeed. Loll.:rolleyes:
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This is an excellent point, Shalimar, and one that seems to be overlooked by the people who think that marijuana is bad and alcohol is fine. Not only have more accidents been alcohol involved, and caused more deaths than pot-smoking has even come close to; but there are many detrimental side effects of drinking alcohol excessively.
I do believe that a person who simply smokes pot incessantly and stays high all (or most) of the time is probably doing damage to their brain, and also stopping them from reaching their full potential; but it has been well proven that alcoholics suffer the same damages to their brain and their career.
In addition, alcohol can severely damage the liver as well as the brain, so there is really no better reason to make cannabis illegal for health reasons than there are equally good reasons for making alcohol illegal.

So...... why is cannabis illegal ? Is/was there a conspiracy against this plant that seems to have a lot of useful and healing benefits ?
There is actually some evidence that this might be the case, and for several reasons. Here is an interesting short documentary that explains some of the benefits from the cannabis/hemp plant, as well as possible reasons why it was illegalized in the first place.
 
The actor Robert Mitchum was busted for pot in 1948. He said the only effect of the anti-marijuana laws was to keep the prices inflated.

My dad smoked pot in the 30s. He spent some time during the depression working on threshing crews across the midwest and prairie states. Guys went from place to place and harvested wheat crops, hitching rides on trains to get around. He had a lot of interesting stories about guys he met (probably somewhat cleaned up for the consumption of children). He said a lot of of the guys smoked weed and no one thought it was a big deal.

Happyflowerlady, I only knew one guy who stayed high all the time and I never knew anyone who thought he was normal. He was a total slug. I don't know what became of him, but I don't think using any drug constantly can be good for a person's brain, and I include the opiates that people eat like candy. Somethng has to give eventually.
 
Smiling Jane said:
The actor Robert Mitchum was busted for pot in 1948. He said the only effect of the anti-marijuana laws was to keep the prices inflated.

My dad smoked pot in the 30s. He spent some time during the depression working on threshing crews across the midwest and prairie states. Guys went from place to place and harvested wheat crops, hitching rides on trains to get around. He had a lot of interesting stories about guys he met (probably somewhat cleaned up for the consumption of children). He said a lot of of the guys smoked weed and no one thought it was a big deal.

Happyflowerlady, I only knew one guy who stayed high all the time and I never knew anyone who thought he was normal. He was a total slug. I don't know what became of him, but I don't think using any drug constantly can be good for a person's brain, and I include the opiates that people eat like candy. Somethng has to give eventually.
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Moderation in all things.
 
The idea that MJ use causes violence is absurd, as anyone knows who has ever been around anyone actually using it or who has actually used it. Alcohol, now, is a whole 'nother ballgame. I think all the hysteria about marijuana is ridiculous.
 
Camper6 said:
I'm not looking forward to marijuana legalization in Canada. We have enough problems without introducing another mind altering substance..

No adverse effects? Not short term maybe but in the long run. You can't be smoking and not have adverse affects.
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News flash. Marijuana has already been "introduced" to Canada.
News flash. Marijuana use does not require smoking.
 
Big Horn said:
We could quickly end the marijuana problem. Impose a mandatory fifty year prison sentence with no possibility of parole for selling or giving marijuana to others. When a few thousand people have been convicted and imprisoned, potential offenders will take note.
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And you are volunteering to pay to build, staff, and maintain these prisons?
 
Some stats from 2011 - the latest I could find. I'm sure the numbers have increased quite a bit since then.

49.5% of inmates are in jail/prison for marijuana-related "crimes".

It costs $21,006/year to house, feed, clothe and educate these people.

In 2011 there were 757,959 marijuana offenders in jail.

It therefore totaled out to $15,921,686,754.

That's almost $16 BILLION.



... your tax dollars at work ...


Meanwhile, if weed had been legalized the taxes collected would have been astronomical.
 

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