Do you believe the US has truly dealt with Racism?

applecruncher said:
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Do you really think you're going to pull me into a silly debate with such a lame personal attack? :laugh: You're mistaken. And I really don't care what you think of me, not even a little bit.
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Nothing to debate - your posts speak volumes and clearly make my point.

Hardy har har indeed.

Have a nice day
 

fuzzybuddy said:
... Because of ... "records" all legitimate job opportunities are denied...
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This is really a problem, once you get into trouble the first time. A friend's grandson got into a jealous altercation with a baseball bat with a guy over a girl, years and years ago. No one was hurt, but he got reported and arrested, and he and my friend spent literally a decade going to court over it and trying to get it off his record. Also had friends mixed up in drugs, although he didn't do drugs. This kid had so much trouble getting his first job. A kind-hearted employer who had once been in the same fix had faith in him. He finally got away from the crowd with drugs, went to welding school and is very successful now. But he had lots of mentors and family to support him. Imagine if you were essentially on your own, with no support.
 
@NancyNGA

Yes, it can be a struggle/battle to get a bad record changed. And the employer willing to take a chance combined with a good mentor helped tremendously.

But sometimes things go in the other direction despite good parenting and various other efforts.

I know of 2 situations (one family is black, the other white....both middle class) where a kid got in trouble, then as young adult got into more trouble.....assault, theft, breaking & entering....and in both cases did time in prison.
 

If there is really no depth of racism in this country, what has brought on the resurgence of the KKK and emergence of White Supremacist groups. I'd never even heard the term "White supremacist" or " Aryan nation" for the first 70-some years of my life. The KKK had faded away from the public view for years but now we have some white folks glorifying this organization?

Anyone know what stirred all of these folks up aside from the losers who thrive on hatred - - -if not of blacks then of someone else who isn't like" them?
 
DaveA said:
If there is really no depth of racism in this country, what has brought on the resurgence of the KKK and emergence of White Supremacist groups. I'd never even heard the term "White supremacist" or " Aryan nation" for the first 70-some years of my life. The KKK had faded away from the public view for years but now we have some white folks glorifying this organization?

Anyone know what stirred all of these folks up aside from the losers who thrive on hatred - - -if not of blacks then of someone else who isn't like" them?
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Yea, but I see politics is not allowed for discussion.
 
DaveA said:
If there is really no depth of racism in this country, what has brought on the resurgence of the KKK and emergence of White Supremacist groups. I'd never even heard the term "White supremacist" or " Aryan nation" for the first 70-some years of my life. The KKK had faded away from the public view for years but now we have some white folks glorifying this organization?

Anyone know what stirred all of these folks up aside from the losers who thrive on hatred - - -if not of blacks then of someone else who isn't like" them?
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Some reasons I've witnessed personally from acquaintances ...

1. Learned hatred from parents and other relatives, carried down over generations.
2. Social media. Isolation. Lack of opportunity to associate, or get to know, anyone different from yourself, or with different attitudes.
3. Poor choices carried down from generation to generation, lack of discipline, ridicule of education, refusal to adapt to changes.
4. Resentment. Need to blame someone else for perceived unfairness in life.

When everyone is reasonably well off financially the overt hatred dies down. In today's world you can't be financially secure just by taking a job in a nearby factory when you grow up, like you could generations ago.
 
IMO we tend to lump too many of our societies problems under the general heading of racism and it causes us to endlessly chase our tails looking for a single solution to multiple problems.

It is at the point where I'm not really sure what the true definition of racism should be. This is the dictionary definition and based on that definition I believe that racism has already been dealt with by most reasonable people.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

I think that the primary issue that we face in our country is one of racial and religious harmony not racism. I also do not see the problems of crime, violence, etc... in our inner cities to be one of racism. I believe that much of the violence stems from feelings of hopelessness and frustration. IMO the only solution for these young people is education and a clear path to a decent future.

I don't know how to get young people to take the long view and get them to see the value of education as a way out of poverty.
 
Scream racism all you like, folks. Whites are worn out with that same sorry excuse for crime, for welfare, and for an angry refusal to practice civilized behavior. We rarely talk about it or write about it, but what do you think our longing for the past is about?
 
applecruncher said:
^^ Make no mistake - the Neanderthals who think all blacks live in the same neighborhood and that their only reason for getting up in the morning is to shoot each other - they also hate Jews.
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People have mentioned in this thread that racism is a learned behavior, and I feel I agree. Children often learn by example of those around them. I grew up in a very small, very white small town. At the time few blacks. My parents, mom especially, had a lot of trouble with the fact that I chose not to learn from their example, and had a few black friends, either through school or work. Sadly, she had no tolerance for my having any of them over for a visit.
When I moved to a larger city to attend college, degree in Social Work, my dad asked if I could ask that I not work with blacks or gays (as clients). Sigh. I told him I would never discriminate in friendships or any relationships.

The sad thing is, on very rare occasions I find myself wanting to slip into some of their negative feelings, I try to fight it, and for the most part succeed. But I hate the negative thoughts. I have to remind myself that while there are blacks out there who commit crimes, so are there whites and others.
 
Big Horn said:
Scream racism all you like, folks. Whites are worn out with that same sorry excuse for crime, for welfare, and for an angry refusal to practice civilized behavior. We rarely talk about it or write about it, but what do you think our longing for the past is about?
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I agree ^5+1
 
The only way I am aware of on how to reduce crime and increase education is for all of the people of ANY community is to band together to help one another.

I say take a chapter from the Chinese . They have historically stuck together and dealt with the problems they face(d). Nearby, just across the border in Mexico, there is a group of Chinese immigrants. At first they pooled all their money and bought an apartment building. They, and they alone, lived in that building and it kept the money within their own tightly knit group.

Next, they all worked. And I do mean, everybody worked. Even feeble grandmothers could still use a sewing machine and they took in work from a wide variety of sources. The young men who did not yet have a good paying job drove small vans to collect the sewing jobs. They opened their own grocery store and this, in turn, also kept the money within the Chinese group.
They bought more apartment buildings and moved their people in.
Some opened Chinese restaurants. Some opened laundries.
From everything I can see, there is no such thing as idle hands in that Chinese community. They are thriving.

I honestly believe that ANY group, racial or otherwise, can succeed. If there are young, drug dealing toughs, who refuse to cooperate, then the community can gather together and physically oust them, ban them , shun them. Let the young toughs know, that if they are even seen in the neighborhood they WILL BE IN GRAVE DANGER. Crime stops and children can then, once again, play in safety.
Make education a requirement of living in the community. Drop out of school ? No job ? Then leave, and don't come back.

Once the community takes action, and people stick together, nothing can stop them from attaining what ever they desire.
 
As I said in a previous post, I have tried hard to move past my parents racism. That being said, I am still disturbed by the sense of entitlement shown by some young people these days. A feeling that the world owes them something, and is responsible for the way they are living. But, it is the behavior I hate, not the skin color. I always wish, and wonder what I can do to help understand the situation and what they feel, but I come from a different life, and different background. I feel kind of helpless.
 
Yup, pass the Black criminality buck to be caused by "White privilege" racism. Stupidly racism is too prevalent all over the place, skin color against skin color. White against Black, Black against White--no way will I accept Black crime as White privilege fault. Life's tough--for whatever reason--like it has been for my family. (No job for parent, malnutrition as a result, siblings taken away from parent). From childhood on up nothing negative was said to me about Black people from anyone. There were several various nonCaucasians that I came in contact with as friends and thought nothing of our different races. No big deal. People were people. But wow, now that I've been hearing/seeing so much destructive anger played out & used in destructive ways against Caucasions by everyday (mostly young Black people male and female) how can there be found the time, energy and finances for anyone wanting to help them overcome their desire to be destructive rather then attend school regularly, study, and learn so as to overcome their anger/hatred against White people. And improve their lives for the good? And yes, there are idiot White youth ruining their own lives too.
 
@RadishRose

Neanderthal isn't a race/ethnicity.

And.....in post #17 upthread I should have said Neanderthals AND Troglodytes.

a person who is regarded as being deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned.
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About racism being on the back burner for a few decades, you are correct. But, it never went away. When manufacturing jobs began to disappear, it was easy to blame Blacks and Hispanics for taking those jobs for well below "White" wages. Being "free, White, and 21" didn't guarantee a good life any more. Well, who was to blame? And very closely identified with those, who were loosing jobs, was their Evangelical Religions. When the Supreme Court disregarded the Bible about homosexuals, and Christian religious symbols on public property, plus prayer in schools;; it was too much. Then when Obama was elected, they had to put those N****s in their place.

(BTW I'm no goody two shoes about racism. I was surprised to find out how racist I truly am)
 
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"I honestly believe that ANY group, racial or otherwise, can succeed. If there are young, drug dealing toughs, who refuse to cooperate, then the community can gather together and physically oust them, ban them , shun them. Let the young toughs know, that if they are even seen in the neighborhood they WILL BE IN GRAVE DANGER. Crime stops and children can then, once again, play in safety.
Make education a requirement of living in the community. Drop out of school ? No job ? Then leave, and don't come back."


And go where? Can't very well send them to many of the countries in So. America since those countries are using America for a dumping ground for the kind of people you are describing.


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"When the Supreme Court disregarded the Bible about homosexuals, and Christian religious symbols on public property, plus prayer in schools;; it was too much."


Wasn't that about society not feeling superior to a group of people?


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"Then when Obama was elected, they had to put those N****s in their place."


I've heard that comment by liberal's more often than I can count. Usually lately as some of the executive orders and mandates are over turned. Turning removal of those issues from what they are into being about race.
 
Knight said:
From post #36


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"I honestly believe that ANY group, racial or otherwise, can succeed. If there are young, drug dealing toughs, who refuse to cooperate, then the community can gather together and physically oust them, ban them , shun them. Let the young toughs know, that if they are even seen in the neighborhood they WILL BE IN GRAVE DANGER. Crime stops and children can then, once again, play in safety.
Make education a requirement of living in the community. Drop out of school ? No job ? Then leave, and don't come back."


And go where? Can't very well send them to many of the countries in So. America since those countries are using America for a dumping ground for the kind of people you are describing.


From post #40


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"When the Supreme Court disregarded the Bible about homosexuals, and Christian religious symbols on public property, plus prayer in schools;; it was too much."


Wasn't that about society not feeling superior to a group of people?


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"Then when Obama was elected, they had to put those N****s in their place."


I've heard that comment by liberal's more often than I can count. Usually lately as some of the executive orders and mandates are over turned. Turning removal of those issues from what they are into being about race.
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Here again, I think the term [racism] is a 'broad-brush' label/term. IMO it has become the label for law abiding people that , shun those that are criminal / those with criminal intent.

I have no issue with [black men/women] ....but I detest criminals , no matter what 'color' they may be.
 
Lon is right.

Laws and regulations prohibiting racism can be enacted, and individuals may obey them...but that doesn't necessarily change the way they feel about other races. Externally they may look like they have nothing against other races, but internally they may harbor discrimination.

Hal
 
Sunny said:
Dealt with racism? How could we claim that when white supremicists are still holding mass rallies?
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I don't believe anyone has [claimed] it has been dealt with ? I still say it is the label given for those that just do not like certain others. And that will never change, all people are never going to like all other people. It just goes against human nature........jmo

White supremacists are no different than Black lives Matter.......and IMO they're both wrong.
 
applecruncher said:
@RadishRose

Neanderthal isn't a race/ethnicity.

And.....in post #17 upthread I should have said Neanderthals AND Troglodytes.

a person who is regarded as being deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned.
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Still using name-calling/bigotry I see. Keep it up!
 
Sunny said:
Dealt with racism? How could we claim that when white supremicists are still holding mass rallies?
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I don't think white supremacist rallies are nearly as big a problem as everyday actions and statements from people who claim not to have a racist bone in their body or feign confusion about what is/isn't racist. Some are subtle, some not. Many of the specifics are discussed in the racist thread I created.
 
Regarding racism, if one doesn't want to read nasty comments regarding race, avoid any post that starts with some variation of the theme, "Some of my best friends are (fill in the blank).

No need to read beyond that, You already know where the post is going. :) And this goes for any race, in case one reads more into it than I intend.
 
DaveA said:
Regarding racism, if one doesn't want to read nasty comments regarding race, avoid any post that starts with some variation of the theme, "Some of my best friends are (fill in the blank).

No need to read beyond that, You already know where the post is going. :) And this goes for any race, in case one reads more into it than I intend.
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Or "I'm not prejudiced, BUT..." . (I've heard that a lot IRL.)
 
I don't believe anyone has [claimed] it has been dealt with ? I
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Hey, rpg, what is the name of this thread? ;)

And btw, continually mentioning "criminal" and "black" in the same sentence does constitute a form of thinly disguised racism.
 

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