One giant hoax

There have been 5 ice ages and global warmings in the last 450 thousand years.
Any 'scientist' that doesn't acknowledge that the earths temperature is NOT steady needs to turn in their lab coat and propeller beanie.
 

Sunny said:
Sigh, I get a deja vu feeling about all this, but I'll say it yet again:

Global warming, climate change, etc. are not measured by how cold this particular winter happens to be. Temperatures go up and down all the time. Global warming is measured in geological time. The effect
on biodiversity, the melting of ice shelves, etc. takes place over centuries, maybe decades if we're extremely unlucky about it. But having a cold winter or hot summer - these prove nothing.

Want to see the actual results so far of global warming? Take a look at one of those maps of the Arctic, showing how much of it has been covered by ice since history began, and how much is ice now. Looked at historically, the ice cap is dangerously melting, endangering animal species and leaving us vulnerable to increased flooding. These are scientific facts, regardless of what the business/industrial community wishes us to believe. (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain?)
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Melting sea ice does not raise the level of the oceans.
 
Big Horn said:
I found several interesting articles on the climate cycle in the Sahara. A fair amount of research has been done on this: it's interesting. There are many more articles ranging from the popular to the scientifically rigorous. Take a taste if you wish.

http://notrickszone.com/2012/06/16/...completely-unscientific/#sthash.cTCcDFR1.dpbs
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Snopes says FALSE to Notrickszone article, published by Breitbart.com

"We rank the claims made by both Breitbart and No Tricks Zone as false, because they dramatically misrepresent the findings of the scientists who conducted the research and utilize poorly-articulated straw man arguments to further misrepresent the significance of the work of those scientists. These studies were local in nature, narrow in scope, meant to address how the climate system functioned in the past, and pose no threat to the tenets of anthropogenic climate change...."

https://www.snopes.com/scientific-papers-global-warming-myth/
 
It's been pretty stinking cold in Chenango county,Poppy,barely reaching double digits and dropping at night,lots of frozen pipes and water,not to much snow though,6-8 inches in most spots.
 
The Daily Caller, eh? That right wing rag is really the best you can do? Sorry, I'd rather believe the findings of science.

From Wikipedia, here's one tidbit about The Daily Caller.
[h=3]Articles by white supremacist Jason Kessler[edit][/h]
The Daily Caller has posted articles by Jason Kessler, a white supremacist who organized a rally of hundreds of white nationalists in Charlottesville.[SUP][43][/SUP][SUP][44][/SUP] Before Kessler posted his article, it was known that he had spoken at white supremacist gatherings.[SUP][45][/SUP] After Kessler received attention for his organizing of the Charlottesville white supremacist rally, the Daily Caller removed his articles from its website,[SUP][46][/SUP] but The Daily Caller executive editor defended Kessler's articles.
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20,000 years ago, much of the northern hemisphere was in the grip of the most recent ice age. As far south as Pennsylvania and Yosemite Valley, in California, the ice was a mile thick. At this point there were no humans in North or South America. The earth began to warm. It has been warming ever since.

As the ice cap began to melt, land passages opened up, and humans, coming in from Asia, migrated south, beginning in aprox 16,000 BC. Hence forth, those people were known as Native Americans. The point here is quite simple. The melting of glaciers and the shrinking of the polar ice cap is nothing more than a continuation of the steadily warming planet. It has nothing to do with man, or what man has done.

Whether man is on the planet earth, or if we became extinct, the planet earth will continue to go through never ending cycles of cooling followed by warming
 
Sunny said:
The Daily Caller, eh? That right wing rag is really the best you can do? Sorry, I'd rather believe the findings of science.

From Wikipedia, here's one tidbit about The Daily Caller.
Articles by white supremacist Jason Kessler[edit]

The Daily Caller has posted articles by Jason Kessler, a white supremacist who organized a rally of hundreds of white nationalists in Charlottesville.[SUP][43][/SUP][SUP][44][/SUP] Before Kessler posted his article, it was known that he had spoken at white supremacist gatherings.[SUP][45][/SUP] After Kessler received attention for his organizing of the Charlottesville white supremacist rally, the Daily Caller removed his articles from its website,[SUP][46][/SUP] but The Daily Caller executive editor defended Kessler's articles.
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Please, let's not bring politics into the discussion. That is a non-starter.
 
Traveler said:
20,000 years ago, much of the northern hemisphere was in the grip of the most recent ice age. As far south as Pennsylvania and Yosemite Valley, in California, the ice was a mile thick. At this point there were no humans in North or South America. The earth began to warm. It has been warming ever since.

As the ice cap began to melt, land passages opened up, and humans, coming in from Asia, migrated south, beginning in aprox 16,000 BC. Hence forth, those people were known as Native Americans. The point here is quite simple. The melting of glaciers and the shrinking of the polar ice cap is nothing more than a continuation of the steadily warming planet. It has nothing to do with man, or what man has done.

Whether man is on the planet earth, or if we became extinct, the planet earth will continue to go through never ending cycles of cooling followed by warming
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Agree. And though the polar bears may be an unfortunate casualty with the loss of the polar ice cap, they would be no different than the thousands of other now-extinct species that have gone before them.
 
Sunny said:
The Daily Caller, eh? That right wing rag is really the best you can do? Sorry, I'd rather believe the findings of science.

From Wikipedia, here's one tidbit about The Daily Caller.
Articles by white supremacist Jason Kessler[edit]

The Daily Caller has posted articles by Jason Kessler, a white supremacist who organized a rally of hundreds of white nationalists in Charlottesville.[SUP][43][/SUP][SUP][44][/SUP] Before Kessler posted his article, it was known that he had spoken at white supremacist gatherings.[SUP][45][/SUP] After Kessler received attention for his organizing of the Charlottesville white supremacist rally, the Daily Caller removed his articles from its website,[SUP][46][/SUP] but The Daily Caller executive editor defended Kessler's articles.
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You didn't read the article. You merely dismiss the source?

This is what I was talking about. I live in Canada. When it comes to polar bears our university knows what they are talking about.

From the link:
“They appear to be as abundant and as productive as ever, in most populations,” Dr. Mitchell Taylor, a polar bear expert with more than 30 years of experience who teaches at Lakehead University in Canada, told the Roy Green Show.
Taylor was responding to a recent study by the U.S. Geological Survey which warned that one-third of polar bears could be in danger from global warming by 2025 if nothing is done to curb carbon dioxide emissions.
“Addressing sea ice loss will require global policy solutions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and likely be years in the making,” Mike Runge, a USGS research ecologist, said in a statement. “Because carbon emissions accumulate over time, there will be a lag, likely on the order of several decades, between mitigation of emissions and meaningful stabilization of sea ice loss.”

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But Taylor said this warning was based on climate models, not empirical data. Taylor said in “essence it’s an expression of their opinion … it’s simply their idea of what will happen if the carbon models are correct.”

“t’s not an empirical result, it’s not taken from data, it’s simply a collection of the people who contributed to this Bayesian network model,” Taylor told the Roy Green Show. “But I guess in the north country, where the polar bears live, we prefer to go by the data and by what local people say.”
 
Is there a single person here who denies that the earth has gone through endless cycles of warning and cooling ? Mankind has occupied this planet for only a tiny fraction of that time. I repeat, the earth will go about it's business REGARDLESS of what man does.

In any event, how are we humans supposed to live without leaving a "carbon footprint" ? Seriously, does anyone actually believe that every nation and every human is going to stop growing and living ? What do the proponents of global warming expect ? No more trains? No more jet airplanes which inject carbon directly into the upper atmosphere ? No more growing of food or even no more fireplaces. Give me a break !
 
Traveler said:
Is there a single person here who denies that the earth has gone through endless cycles of warning and cooling ? Mankind has occupied this planet for only a tiny fraction of that time. I repeat, the earth will go about it's business REGARDLESS of what man does.

In any event, how are we humans supposed to live without leaving a "carbon footprint" ? Seriously, does anyone actually believe that every nation and every human is going to stop growing and living ? What do the proponents of global warming expect ? No more trains? No more jet airplanes which inject carbon directly into the upper atmosphere ? No more growing of food or even no more fireplaces. Give me a break !
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But that wasn't your argument. Your argument is that it's a hoax. Who and for what purpose are those perpetuating this hoax do you think?
 
Olivia said:
But that wasn't your argument. Your argument is that it's a hoax. Who and for what purpose are those perpetuating this hoax do you think?
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Why not ask who benefits? Beneficiaries are nations not required to meet the same standards as this country who will also benefit from American payments should the Paris agreement be reanimated. Third World countries can easily afford lobbyists and public relations firms. Low end "scientists" are always available. Some don't even require money; they're happy with the tiniest bit of publicity and adulation.
 
Camper6 said:
Melting sea ice does not raise the level of the oceans.
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Melting sea ice, which is fresh water if it is produced over land, does lower the salt content of the ocean. Less saline water is less dense than it is for higher concentrations and it therefore occupies greater volume. High school science says that the height of the water column must therefore increase, even without increase in temperature.

Add to that the effect of even a small increase in the overall temperature of the oceans. One degree of warming has occurred since the advent of the technological age. A lot of this warming has been absorbed by the oceans and again, school boy science tells us that liquids expand in volume when heated.

I cannot predict mathematically how much sea levels have already risen or will rise in the future but I know that the answer has to be more than zero.

If the Antarctic ice sheets disappear there will be an effect on the deep sea currents that flow north carrying nutrient from the ocean bottom until the water rises to the surface in the Northern Hemisphere. One effect will be on the fisheries of that region. The other will be that the hotter waters of that region will no longer mix with the cold and local warming will be apparent. When that happens we much just hold on tight for bigger and better cyclones/hurricanes heading for the land. Best we stop the temperature increases due to fossil fuels before then.
 
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Olivia said:
But that wasn't your argument. Your argument is that it's a hoax. Who and for what purpose are those perpetuating this hoax do you think?
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You ask a valid question. However, to answer you would require going deep into politics. As we all know politics are not allowed here. Besides, going into politics would degenerate into childish name calling so fast it would make our heads spin.
 
Traveler said:
You ask a valid question. However, to answer you would require going deep into politics. As we all know politics are not allowed here. Besides, going into politics would degenerate into childish name calling so fast it would make our heads spin.
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That's what I said, that Climate Change as a topic is already political. Good luck avoiding that.
 
Traveler said:
Is there a single person here who denies that the earth has gone through endless cycles of warning and cooling ? Mankind has occupied this planet for only a tiny fraction of that time. I repeat, the earth will go about it's business REGARDLESS of what man does.

In any event, how are we humans supposed to live without leaving a "carbon footprint" ? Seriously, does anyone actually believe that every nation and every human is going to stop growing and living ? What do the proponents of global warming expect ? No more trains? No more jet airplanes which inject carbon directly into the upper atmosphere ? No more growing of food or even no more fireplaces. Give me a break !
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I would imagine all the creationists deny that. The earth is only 6K years old according to them.
 
Dragonlady said:
But what if the climate change people are right? Do we really want to take the chance our careless, wasteful - just plain greedy behavior is hastening the process?
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Greedy behavior, is it ? Hmm. What, pray tell, would you have us give up ? Hmm ? Would you have us walk miles to the grocery store instead of taking public transportation ? Perhaps we could eat less ? There are already tens of thousands of Vegans who are desperately trying to force us to give up meat. Or, perhaps we could learn to live without any heating in our homes ?

I, for one, refuse to allow the government to control my life. Enough is enough.
 

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