Men behaving badly at the Dorchester

Warrigal

Warrigal

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I spotted this story yesterday and chose to pass by but this morning on the radio I heard that there have been major ramifications.

The Financial Times sent female reporters disguised as hostesses to a charity dinner for men only and lifted a rock to reveal the behaviour tolerated, even encouraged, that was part and parcel of the event.

A report on the event here: https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

The BBC has followed up with events after the charity dinner. Some charities are refusing donations and returning money donated in the past, and there have been some resignations within the Department for Education. Well known personalities are denying having seen anything.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42801178

It seems the words "never again" are starting to have some effect.
 

Wow.

I thought this bit was interesting-

" Upon arrival at the Dorchester, the first task given to the hostesses was to sign a five-page non-disclosure agreement about the event. Hostesses were not given a chance to read its contents, or take a copy with them after signing."

I doubt their signatures mattered as the "agreement" could hardly be legal if the hostesses were prevented from reading it. Seems more like a fear tactic.

The whole thing is shameful.
 
Men are men...all over the world. It's the equivalent of our "gentlemen's clubs". But those in attendance who participate in this type of behavior are no gentlemen.
 

The difference today is that the predators are becoming the prey. Journalists are now interested in exposing the behaviours and are willing to publish the names of these so called gentlemen.

I'm intrigued by David Walliams claiming that he was completely unaware of any untoward behaviour. He does not strike me as a naïve person. I understand this is not the first time he has hosted one of these events.
 
I think that it is interesting that a woman recruited the hostesses and explained what would be involved.

It also appears that they had no trouble finding enough young women who were up for this type of casual employment.

I agree with OED that this sounds more like a night at a gentleman's club or a bachelor party. IMO this doesn't rise to the level of men who coerced women into having sex as a condition of employment.

The good news is that this topic is out in the news and has become a topic of debate around the water coolers of the world, that in itself is a healthy step in the right direction.
 
While I personally find this behaviour abhorrent, and while I expect ladies have a different view, I would have thought that the results of taking a job as a "hostess" in a revealing outfit at an all male drinking club would have been fairly predicable, though certainly not acceptable.

As a jobbing Silver Service waitress my wife was groped several times. She invariably responded with a slapped face, which usually prompted much hilarity and a sheepish apology. Only once was she ever asked to collect her money and leave.

For the record I have been groped several times, and I didn't like it either. On one occasion, on a busy Saturated morning in Salisbury, England, I moved away, unfortunately in the wrong direction,, so fast that I neatly got hit by a bus!
 
I seldom post on this forum anymore since as ruthanne says I dont believe half you people could find your own backsides in daytime with both hands. The other half I am still debating about!
However these postings about the 'horrible' male agressions is gonna come back and bite yalls in that backside, mind what I say!!!
 
Warrigal said:
These women are not prostitutes. :mad:
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Give me a break. You take a job and you are so naive that you don't know what to expect.

Bull. The men paid good money to go out and have a good time. If they didn't hire any females they would act like 'gentlemen"

If you don't want to look like a prostitute then don't act like one.

This false modesty is so unbecoming. I'm very strong on this one way blame all the time. It's nonsense.
 
Laurie said:
While I personally find this behaviour abhorrent, and while I expect ladies have a different view, I would have thought that the results of taking a job as a "hostess" in a revealing outfit at an all male drinking club would have been fairly predicable, though certainly not acceptable.

As a jobbing Silver Service waitress my wife was groped several times. She invariably responded with a slapped face, which usually prompted much hilarity and a sheepish apology. Only once was she ever asked to collect her money and leave.

For the record I have been groped several times, and I didn't like it either. On one occasion, on a busy Saturated morning in Salisbury, England, I moved away, unfortunately in the wrong direction,, so fast that I neatly got hit by a bus!
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Why "predictable" and not "acceptable" is beyond me. What do you really "expect" when you take on a job and sign a form that you can't read and keep a copy.

You are selling yourself for money. I'm sorry. Are females that naive? I'm going to stick up for the guys.
 
I read a few stories about this and women who are hired to go to a men's club where they can drink with the men and are told to wear trashy black outfits with matching underwear and high heels can't be too surprised to get a few feels and off-color comments. With the undercover reporting this was a bait and trap if I ever saw one and when women exaggerate things like this and put the blame on the men only they are only hurting the real cases of respectable women who are seriously raped or physically violated in public settings or at their employment. The men did behave badly but so did the women
 
I read this Presidents Club had folded. This whole dinner was supposed to be for charity. Who commanded that dinners for charitable donations have to be compensated for by sexual groping or worse in the first place?
 
Warrigal said:
I spotted this story yesterday and chose to pass by but this morning on the radio I heard that there have been major ramifications.

The Financial Times sent female reporters disguised as hostesses to a charity dinner for men only and lifted a rock to reveal the behaviour tolerated, even encouraged, that was part and parcel of the event.

A report on the event here: https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

The BBC has followed up with events after the charity dinner. Some charities are refusing donations and returning money donated in the past, and there have been some resignations within the Department for Education. Well known personalities are denying having seen anything.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42801178

It seems the words "never again" are starting to have some effect.
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All I have to say is that SOME men are plain pigs...always have been and always will be..not all though..
 
No, not all.
It does annoy me when the pigs end up being elevated to high positions where they are allowed
to get away with piggery and everyone pretends it isn't happening.

People should be given a 'dirty old man' warning for their protection.
 
Ruthanne said:
All I have to say is that SOME men are plain pigs...always have been and always will be..not all though..
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The trouble is, such men cannot accept that women are mentally different as we as physically.

If I go into a bar with a friend the women present will not automatically assume I am looking for sex (unless it is certain type of bar!) though most of them will be well aware that I will accept it if offered, and will not come to my table in constant stream offering to buy me a drink (I should be so lucky!).

If a woman goes into a bar for a drink it is instantly assumed she is looking for sex, and if she makes it clear she is not interested she is instantly assumed to be gay.
 
If a woman takes on a job with even the mention of her underwear in the conditions, she must be pretty naive not to wonder why.....
 
Just because a waitress is dressed like a French maid does not give the guests licence to put their hands on her.
Respect for the help should be a given.

We once put on a church dinner to raise funds for a children's drug education bus and we did dress as French maids, complete with frilly white aprons and caps. Some of the younger women wore black skirts above the knee. It never occurred to us to tell the guests not to grope the staff. Of course, ours was no men only dinner. Wives and daughters were also present.

The year before we put on an Italian dinner and dressed as Venetian gondoliers. Not one bottom was pinched.
 
If you dress provocative you should expect provocative responses.

What is it with you women that you don't understand that prostitutes dress to attract attention?

What is it with you women that you don't understand that men go to a strip club for entertainment they don't get at home?

What is it with you women period.?
 
Smiling Jane said:
I can't imagine thinking, oh look, there's a barely-dressed man. That means it's okay for me to touch him however I want.
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I can remember being in a bar in my kilt and a woman , a stranger, reached under my kilt and grabbed my *******s.

I was reluctantly persuaded not to call the police for indecent assault, a decision which I regret to this day.
 
Laurie said:
I can remember being in a bar in my kilt and a woman , a stranger, reached under my kilt and grabbed my *******s.

I was reluctantly persuaded not to call the police for indecent assault, a decision which I regret to this day.
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I agree; bad decision. I was taught it is never appropriate for another person to put their hands on you without your permission.
 

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