The difference between men and women

Traveler

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If a person wishes to attract the opposite gender, whether it is just to get attention, or for romance, how that is accomplished depends upon whether you are male or female.

Women know, and have known since the dawn of time, and with absolute certainty, that men are most swayed by what they see. In the world of women, they have a thousand choices from which to choose their bait. Think about that for a moment. Why do you suppose there are specialty locations which are called "Beauty" Salons? A woman can enter and have her hair done up in hundreds of different styles and colors. She can have complete "facials" and have as much make-up applied as she desires. Additionally, she can have manicures and pedicures done in a rainbow of colors. The total effect can often be dazzling. Oh, you say you doubt that ? Remember the scene in the film "Moonstruck" ? Do you remember Cher, before and after the beauty salon?

But wait, we are just scratching the surface of how women make themselves attractive. The next biggest ticket is clothing.
Women's clothing is designed primarily to one end --- to show off her figure to its best effect. The choices women have is mind-boggling. Deeply cut blouses, sweaters, and dresses are fashioned to place her cleavage on proud display. This is no accident. It is done to make people notice her feminine figure.

The length of the, skirt or dress, hem-line is usually above the knee and sometimes much, much higher. Why ? To show off her womanly legs and to show more skin. If she has a tiny waist you can be sure that will also be proudly displayed. In fact much of her wardrobe is so incredibly tight that it is often difficult to know whether she is wearing pants or spray paint.

Even a woman's shoes are often designed to show off her feet and well pedicured nails. And stiletto's absolutely scream, sexy.

A well dressed woman, with complete make-up, and her hair done up just right, has merely to show up at any public location and she is sure to get attention. If the timing and location is right, men will trip over themselves, to attempt to talk with her. She is now in a position to pick and choose from amongst her potential suitors.

Now, let's compare how men get women's attention AND get her to come to him. About the only hope he has is to be well groomed, with neat clean clothes, polished shoes and perhaps wearing a light cologne. Even with that done, the chances of him getting her to come to him, are remote. It is important to notice that he does not have the option of showing off skin. Women, in a social gathering, just don't care about bare skin on a man. Look at any well dressed businessman and the only skin you will see is his face, neck and hands.

Men approach women, knowing full well, that he will be rebuffed 9 out of 10 times. It is a numbers game for the man, he MUST make many attempts if he has any chance of ever getting a date.
 

Men approach women, knowing full well, that he will be rebuffed 9 out of 10 times. It is a numbers game for the man, he MUST make many attempts if he has any chance of ever getting a date.

Back when I was single, I'da taken those odds

Butch Cassidy: Alright. I'll jump first.
Sundance Kid: No.
Butch Cassidy: Then you jump first.
Sundance Kid: No, I said.
Butch Cassidy: What's the matter with you?
Sundance Kid: I can't swim.
Butch Cassidy: Are you crazy? The fall will probably kill you




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuN-tFvgRc0

go get 'em, keeler
 

Back when I was single, I'da taken those odds.
Bakerman
You betcha. And so would a lot of other guys. It does not matter how well dressed, groomed and super polite he is, he is going to get shot down much, much more than any woman could imagine. Of course, at our age, it is a moot point.
 
Traveler, I think you are placing too much emphasis on outer appearance. This may be the level that appeals to teenage boys, but by the time a person reaches "maturity," there are other characteristics that matter a whole lot more, in attracting the opposite gender. (Or even their own, if they are gay).

I think as people get older, they are much more interested in empathy, intelligence, a sense of humor, similar political and religious viewpoints, a pleasant personality, etc. All the time in the world spent in beauty salons will not make up for the lack of those characteristics. Inner beauty counts for a lot more.
 
Traveler, I think you are placing too much emphasis on outer appearance. This may be the level that appeals to teenage boys, but by the time a person reaches "maturity," there are other characteristics that matter a whole lot more, in attracting the opposite gender. (Or even their own, if they are gay).

I think as people get older, they are much more interested in empathy, intelligence, a sense of humor, similar political and religious viewpoints, a pleasant personality, etc. All the time in the world spent in beauty salons will not make up for the lack of those characteristics.
Inner beauty counts for a lot more.


Please remember I am talking about FIRST impressions, ie what a man sees before he has said a word to the woman. He can't possibly know a single thing about her before he tries to engage her in conversation.
I hate to disagree with you but there isn't a straight man alive, whatever his age, who has not admired an attractive woman. Age does not make him blind.
 
I would kindly ask people to read what I actually say and not attempt to put words in my mouth. If you STILL have a question about what I'm talking about, ask me. I'll be happy to answer.
 
Just for fun :

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Bakerman
You betcha. And so would a lot of other guys. It does not matter how well dressed, groomed and super polite he is, he is going to get shot down much, much more than any woman could imagine. Of course, at our age, it is a moot point.
Basic, early teen stuff
Not long after, a guy learns something
Wimin are cats
Min are dawgs
Study those four legged critters a bit

Cats preen, pose
Dawgs sniff, fetch
Cats are no more curious than us dawgs
As we find them fascinating
However, sniff the wrong end (the head)
and, well, you won’t soon do it again

Traveller, yer wasting precious time sniffing the head

and quit all that self licking, it’s disgusting

Most of this is in metaphor

But

Ever wonder why wimin are sometimes referred to by us dawgs as ‘fetching’?

EFFING WOOF!
 
Now, let's compare how men get women's attention AND get her to come to him. About the only hope he has is to be well groomed, with neat clean clothes, polished shoes and perhaps wearing a light cologne. Even with that done, the chances of him getting her to come to him, are remote. It is important to notice that he does not have the option of showing off skin. Women, in a social gathering, just don't care about bare skin on a man. Look at any well dressed businessman and the only skin you will see is his face, neck and hands.

OK, Traveler, the above is what you "actually said." Read it over for yourself, and then decide what century you are actually living in!

Neat, clean clothes? Well, maybe clean, but how many young men look "neat" these days, outside of a business setting?

Polished shoes? Oh, puh-leeze! Again, you are characterizing men as being the old stereotype of successful businessmen, while the women are frivolous airheads spending lots of time and money on beauty treatments.

A light cologne? Gadzooks, that would probably drive away more women than it would attract! (Well, at least you didn't say heavy perfume.)

No Traveler, the above, rather pathetic attempt to preen oneself as if one were an animal, would largely not work in today's world. Not even as a first impression. People who look as if they were the ones you describe in your first note would put a lot of people off. They would look like phonies.

So what does attract, then? Well, it's all a lot more subtle than that. We are not actors strutting around on a stage. And unless they are, as I said, teenage boys, most men are looking for other qualities in a woman.

Why do women bother with hair, makeup, clothes, etc, at all, then? I think it's more to please themselves about the way they look, not to attract some poor schlemiel who is ripe for the picking.
 
Everything depends upon where a person is and a life-time of experience. Obviously, if the man is at a champagne luncheon at the yacht club he would have to be dressed as the other men. Conversely, if he was at the beach, playing volleyball with a bunch of co-workers, he would be dressed differently.

It also depends upon social standing and the type of people he is mixing with. Anyone who thinks that women do not notice a man's financial status, has not dated, lived with, or married any women who enjoy shopping for expensive attire and living "the good life". Silk blouses are not exactly cheap.

Moreover, a man who is involved in real-estate investment, is going to have an entirely different set of life experiences than a truck driver. A man who lives in a high-end gated community will have a vastly different life experience than a man who rents a one-bedroom apartment and works as a cook at Denny's.
 
Traveler, I hate to say it but you sound bitter. You should not use such blanket statements about all women, or all men for that matter. There are plenty of men who look for a wealthy meal ticket as you very well know. Women are perfectly competent to support themselves nowadays and don't "need" a man for that purpose. You might also be surprised to find that women usually dress for THEMSELVES and not because some man might approve or disapprove.

Perhaps it's your outlook that turns women away from you.

I believe our standards of what we find attractive in a person changes and evolves over the years as we realize what's truly important in a person. Looks fade but kindness never does.
 
Traveler, I hate to say it but you sound bitter. You should not use such blanket statements about all women, or all men for that matter. There are plenty of men who look for a wealthy meal ticket as you very well know. Women are perfectly competent to support themselves nowadays and don't "need" a man for that purpose. You might also be surprised to find that women usually dress for THEMSELVES and not because some man might approve or disapprove.

Perhaps it's your outlook that turns women away from you.

I believe our standards of what we find attractive in a person changes and evolves over the years as we realize what's truly important in a person. Looks fade but kindness never does.


C'est Moi, you have always been a reasonable person in your posts, so I will share with you that I am well out of the game as far as women are concerned. I am not looking for any more relationships. I've been there and done that. I don't even attempt to date any longer. It follows then, that women are not turning away from me.

I should also like to point out that I never said ALL women. As a matter of fact I am well aware that there are many women who are quite content living with a caring/loving man, regardless of his financial position. I hope I've put that idea to bed. (pun intended)

All I ever meant to say is that, quite by strange fate, I happened to have once been around many fashion models. I've heard them talk about what they want in a man, and it left a very powerful impression. Such women do NOT date men who are of a lower socio-economic class. Such women date powerful or famous, wealthy men.

Several examples of women who did not "need" a man for money: Jackie Kennedy, a very wealthy woman in her own right, did not marry Aristotle Onassis because he was handsome, or kind. She married him because he was one of the richest men in the world. Grace Kelly would never, under any conditions, have married Prince Ranier of Monaco if he was a small-time restaurant owner. The list is endless, and is not limited to famous women.

Having once been financially well off, I can state with absolute certainty, that there is a huge difference between which women are potentially available to a financially secure man and a man who is not financially secure.
 
C'est Moi, you have always been a reasonable person in your posts, so I will share with you that I am well out of the game as far as women are concerned. I am not looking for any more relationships. I've been there and done that. I don't even attempt to date any longer. It follows then, that women are not turning away from me.

I should also like to point out that I never said ALL women. As a matter of fact I am well aware that there are many women who are quite content living with a caring/loving man, regardless of his financial position. I hope I've put that idea to bed. (pun intended)

All I ever meant to say is that, quite by strange fate, I happened to have once been around many fashion models. I've heard them talk about what they want in a man, and it left a very powerful impression. Such women do NOT date men who are of a lower socio-economic class. Such women date powerful or famous, wealthy men.

Several examples of women who did not "need" a man for money: Jackie Kennedy, a very wealthy woman in her own right, did not marry Aristotle Onassis because he was handsome, or kind. She married him because he was one of the richest men in the world. Grace Kelly would never, under any conditions, have married Prince Ranier of Monaco if he was a small-time restaurant owner. The list is endless, and is not limited to famous women.

Having once been financially well off, I can state with absolute certainty, that there is a huge difference between which women are potentially available to a financially secure man and a man who is not financially secure.

Yep, I think we all agree that each of us is looking for something different in a potential mate. I don't disagree that some people are shallow and only want a partner that elevates their opinion of themselves in some fashion. Some men marry "arm candy" and discard the unfortunate wife as soon as she has the poor judgement to grow older. She gets unceremoniously traded in for a newer model. :D

So yes. People choose a partner for all kinds of reasons. Looks, money, perceived prestige, etc. But that by no means is limited to women.

Nice talking with you, Traveler. Hope you're having a good weekend.
 
Yep, I think we all agree that each of us is looking for something different in a potential mate. I don't disagree that some people are shallow and only want a partner that elevates their opinion of themselves in some fashion. Some men marry "arm candy" and discard the unfortunate wife as soon as she has the poor judgement to grow older. She gets unceremoniously traded in for a newer model. :D

So yes. People choose a partner for all kinds of reasons. Looks, money, perceived prestige, etc. But that by no means is limited to women.

Nice talking with you, Traveler. Hope you're having a good weekend.


Yes, I absolutely agree. It also is important to remember that where a person lives and who he/she spends time with can greater influence how a person thinks. Example: a woman who has been very poorly treated by men her entire life is not likely to have a very high opinion of men in general. I'm quite sure we all have known some very angry militant feminists. She has some valid points; men can also have valid points.

Thank you, C'est Moi. I'm having a great weekend. Cooking up a storm getting ready for tomorrow's Super Bowl. I hope your weekend is great as well.
 
... Thank you, C'est Moi. I'm having a great weekend. Cooking up a storm getting ready for tomorrow's Super Bowl. I hope your weekend is great as well.

I'm having a good weekend so far, thanks. Share some more recipes in the Recipe thread; I want to know what you're making. :D
 
Traveler didn't you devote an entire thread seeking to find what women want?
Let it go, man. Be yourself. If you like to dress like a fine gentleman and "woo" a lady there is someone out there for you. Stopped looking and she will happen along when you least expect it. I hope she knocks your socks off.
 
Traveler, your perspective on this seems to have changed pretty drastically since your first note. Look at the title you gave this thread, then reread your first note. You seemed, then, to be talking about men and women in general, portraying women as gold-digging floozies working hard to look like Barbie dolls. Men's chief positive attribute was apparently being well-groomed and looking like rich businessmen, in order to get one of these trophy wives.

I hope that this discussion has brought you closer to reality. You say you have spent a lot of your life around models, and apparently have reached some pretty far-fetched conclusions about half of the human race based on your perceptions. You didn't give dates, but I have a feeling that your impressions go pretty far back in time. But open your eyes and look around at today's world. That description was so untrue and stereotypical that it is simply ridiculous.

I'm pretty old, Traveler, and am well-acquainted with young (and middle-aged) adults. I am happy to say that the gold-diggers that you are describing have not been a part of my life. I have seen these characters in movies and shows, and I suppose some of them exist in real life, but they are not a majority. Both the men and women you are describing are a tiny minority.

I really do believe that both men and women want someone who is primarily a friend, their best friend, who loves, respects, and encourages them in their journey through life. Good looks are very
nice, but only a very shallow person would put a high priority value on them.
 
Traveler didn't you devote an entire thread seeking to find what women want?
Let it go, man. Be yourself. If you like to dress like a fine gentleman and "woo" a lady there is someone out there for you. Stopped looking and she will happen along when you least expect it. I hope she knocks your socks off.

Thank you, Hearlady. What a kind thing to say. I have been lucky enough to have 2 great loves in my life. Rather like winning the lotto, twice. I don't expect it to happen again.
 
You're right Traveler women can dress and fix themselves up in lots of different ways to attract attention and men don't have so many choices. Women have an easier time attracting a man and getting a date. Men usually don't have that advantage and get rejected more often. But the type of woman or man you describe isn't common and is more like a fashion model or a celebrity in Hollywood not the average person. Most of us might take a second look at a well dressed guy but we like sincere men with good personalities to start a relationship. I can attract or be attracted to a man wearing blue jeans and a sweat shirt. A man or a woman who is too set on looking like a model usually has some serious personality problems themselves and wouldn't make a good partner. Beauty is only skin deep
 
Traveler, your perspective on this seems to have changed pretty drastically since your first note. Look at the title you gave this thread, then reread your first note. You seemed, then, to be talking about men and women in general, portraying women as gold-digging floozies working hard to look like Barbie dolls. Men's chief positive attribute was apparently being well-groomed and looking like rich businessmen, in order to get one of these trophy wives.

I hope that this discussion has brought you closer to reality. You say you have spent a lot of your life around models, and apparently have reached some pretty far-fetched conclusions about half of the human race based on your perceptions. You didn't give dates, but I have a feeling that your impressions go pretty far back in time. But open your eyes and look around at today's world. That description was so untrue and stereotypical that it is simply ridiculous.



I never said I spent a lot of my life around models. What I said was, "I happened to have once been around many models" The 2 statements are vastly different. If you are going to try to quote me, I wish you would, please, at least do so accurately.

To describe my entire life's experiences can not be done in a few sentences. It would take a book. My opinions are NOT based exclusively on just a few women that I have known, but rather on many different women I have worked with, or had as friends, or as lovers or married. And upon the wives and GF's of men I have known.
Moreover, my opinions are also based on women I have known in numerous other countries. How can anyone know what I have experienced in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Manila, Bangkok and a host of American cities and towns?

Does anyone recall the old saying about not judging a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins ?
 
I'd like to take this chance to slow things down a bit and speak from a totally different analogy. I happen to be a white man, nothing to brag about, just an accident of birth. Do I know all about the lives of African Americans ? No, of course not. I have not had their daily experiences. If a black man said to me, "I hate racist cops. They are always targeting blacks for harassment". And, if on the following day I spoke with several police officers and I told them what I heard, they would most likely totally deny any such thing.

The point I am trying to make here is that what people believe, depends upon where they stand, and how they live their lives. The fact that cops would deny any such racism does not mean that the African American man I spoke with is wrong.

The same idea applies to the experiences of men vs. those experiences of women. Different lives, different perspectives. And very often dramatically different realities.
 


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