The difference between men and women

SifuPhil said:
Question: if this ad is in a woman's magazine, how is the model seducing men?

I would think she's saying "Buy this dress and you'll look just like me, girls".
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I think she's saying, "thanks to Photoshop I have never looked like this in my life and never will."
 

Women are better liars. Before anyone goes off on me, don't take what I just wrote to heart. What I have found over the years, is that when I would do a traffic stop, mostly for either speeding, inspection sticker or registration out of date, the women always had much better stories than the men.

Quick story. I remember stopping a woman for speeding, which I believe she was doing 50 in a 25 mph zone, or something relative to that. When I asked her if she knew why I had stopped her, of course, she answered, "No." After that she asked me if I was going to cite her and I asked her why was she speeding, thinking maybe there might be a good reason for it. Then, she asked me if I ever let anyone go before that was caught speeding and I told her, "Yes." So, then she asks me, "Well, what did they say?"

I just told her to slow down and have a nice day.
 
Traveler said:
REALLY ? WOW ! I had no idea. All of those famous women like Demi Moore , Cher, and Julia Roberts have their gowns paid for by the industry ? And they must do as they are told ? I would have thought that such famous women like Demi and Cher and Julia would have more than enough power to tell the industry where to stick it.

No, I don't remember anything about Julia Roberts unshaved arm pits. She got in trouble over that ?
I do recall that semi-recently Demi Moore had all her clothes stolen from her hotel room while she was at some big event. She reported the loss was in the neighborhood of $230,000 USD
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Famous actresses are walking billboards for the fashion and makeup industry. Their agents set up the deals. The women themselves just wear the gowns etc. Then ordinary women with stars in their eyes try to copy the look.
 
911 said:
Women are better liars. Before anyone goes off on me, don't take what I just wrote to heart. What I have found over the years, is that when I would do a traffic stop, mostly for either speeding, inspection sticker or registration out of date, the women always had much better stories than the men.

Quick story. I remember stopping a woman for speeding, which I believe she was doing 50 in a 25 mph zone, or something relative to that. When I asked her if she knew why I had stopped her, of course, she answered, "No." After that she asked me if I was going to cite her and I asked her why was she speeding, thinking maybe there might be a good reason for it. Then, she asked me if I ever let anyone go before that was caught speeding and I told her, "Yes." So, then she asks me, "Well, what did they say?"

I just told her to slow down and have a nice day.
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Whatta guy! :)
 
Sunny said:
Hey, Traveler, it seems to me you are protesting a bit too much. You raise an absolutely absurd argument, which would describe a horrifying relationship between men and women, using every antiquated stereotype in the book. In your first post, you dangled it in front of us like so much bait.

Then, when you got the desired response from everyone, you became all huffy and defensive, insisting that your absurdity was right, although you did make a few small concessions ("I didn't say ALL women, etc.") And you can't seem to let go of the issue.

You seem to be outraged that most people don't see the world through your glasses, warped though they may be. Maybe it's time to let this issue go?
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I respectfully suggest that you re-read my post # 1. I was NOT talking about any relationship between man and women. I was talking about first impressions. (ie before any conversation has taken place) You seem to actually believe that no woman ever dresses to attract the attentions of men. I don't know what it is like where you live, but everywhere I have lived, many, many women go to the clubs on a Saturday night, dressed extremely hot.

At my age I don't go to the clubs any longer, but I do, on occasion, go out to dinner in the evening, and I walk passed several night clubs where I see the long lines of people waiting to enter. I can tell you, with absolute certainty that there are many young women dressed in very revealing clothing.

I have found this to be true in Miami, New Orleans, San Francisco, San Diego, Boston, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, and all over Mexico. I don't attend church socials, or spend much time in small rural communities, so things may be different there.

P.S. I am not the one who is outraged. I have been attacked, personally, by a number of people in this thread and THEY are the ones who seem outraged that I don't see the world through their eyes.
 
So, I guess I am a hillbilly who goes only to church socials, eh? Boy, as the old joke goes, have you got the wrong number!

Just for the record, I live in Montgomery County, MD, just a few miles from Washington, DC. Our demographic is very sophisticated and for the most part, highly educated. As I said, California is its own unique world, with some very strange values. I've always noticed that in many movies and TV shows that take place in California, when people greet each other, the first words out of their mouth are usually, "Hi! You look great!" This is true of both men and women, by the way. Just watch Curb Your Enthusiasm and Big Little Lies to see what I mean.

But that is not the norm for everybody else in the country. Here, people are usually much more interested in common interests, political values, etc. The women aren't presenting themselves like animals in heat with the men sniffing them.

I grew up in NJ. I never particularly dressed to "attract the attentions of men," yet I never had any trouble attracting them. The men I was interested in (and especially, the one I was happily married to for 54 years) were interested in other things about me, rather than my clothes and makeup.

Let it go, Traveler. Every note you write on this subject just digs you in a little deeper. We'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Sunny said:
So, I guess I am a hillbilly who goes only to church socials, eh? Boy, as the old joke goes, have you got the wrong number!

Just for the record, I live in Montgomery County, MD, just a few miles from Washington, DC. Our demographic is very sophisticated and for the most part, highly educated. As I said, California is its own unique world, with some very strange values. I've always noticed that in many movies and TV shows that take place in California, when people greet each other, the first words out of their mouth are usually, "Hi! You look great!" This is true of both men and women, by the way. Just watch Curb Your Enthusiasm and Big Little Lies to see what I mean.

But that is not the norm for everybody else in the country. Here, people are usually much more interested in common interests, political values, etc. The women aren't presenting themselves like animals in heat with the men sniffing them.

I grew up in NJ. I never particularly dressed to "attract the attentions of men," yet I never had any trouble attracting them. The men I was interested in (and especially, the one I was happily married to for 54 years) were interested in other things about me, rather than my clothes and makeup.

Let it go, Traveler. Every note you write on this subject just digs you in a little deeper. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Once again you have totally ignored much of what I said. You bring up that I happen to live in California, as if there is something wrong with living in CA. Yes, I currently live in CA, but you totally ignore all of the other places I have lived. And, once again, you attempt to put words in my mouth. I said that I don't attend church socials or spend much time in rural areas. I did not say a single word about where you live and I most certainly never said, or implied, that you are a hillbilly. Where does that come from ?

You said. "Let it go, Traveler". Why should I ? Because you don't like what I say ? Not bloody likely.
 
I am going to TRY to explain something about men in general terms. Please note that I do NOT say every single man.

Men are sexual creatures. From the earliest stages of our teens, we begin to think about sex. By our late teens we become obsessed with the female form. We dream about females and we have what are called "wet dreams", ie nocturnal emissions. In other words we ejaculate in our sleep. Be aware that I am NOT saying masturbation. What we experience in our dreams of females happens in our unconscious minds.

That sexual force, at least in our teens, becomes an obsession. That force is with us every second of every day. We get spontaneous erections against our conscious will. At that age, the mere sight of an attractive girl can cause an erection. That sexual force is not unique to boys in western civilizations. It happens in every culture, in every country, across the globe. And it is totally normal.

By our late teens, and certainly by our early 20's, if we have not experienced sexual intercourse, we become almost terrified that we might remain virgins forever. During this stage of a young man's life, he is ready, willing and able to have sex at the drop of a hat. ANY HAT. ANY TIME. 24/7.

Of course, sooner or later, "IT" will happen. And, when it finally does happen, it is the happiest day of our young inexperienced lives.

The sexual obsession can last, at least for some men, for many decades. Try to think of this as a metaphor, The sexual force, in men, is like a campfire. What happens when a campfire is heavily fanned ? It grows ever more hot and the flames burn even higher. When a man, especially a young man, sees attractive women, dressed in skimpy or revealing clothing, it is exactly like fanning the campfire.

Now, some women condemn men for being what we are. But that is like condemning a cat for jumping up onto high places. The cat can not help doing what comes naturally and neither can a man.

The entire point of this thread is that men are naturally attracted to women and most especially to women who dress in a "sexy" manner.

One note here. Muslim countries are all too aware that men are, by nature, sexual creatures. To counter that sexual force, or at least tame it, Muslims often require the females to wear burqa's. I do NOT say they are right, or wrong, or that western women should do the same. I only report what Muslims do.
 
A stock photo of a model in a staged pose doesn't advance your argument one way or the other.
Neither does this image

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375full-karina-petroni.jpgThis photo is not a model and is not posed. but it clearly demonstrates what I'm talking about. Namely that there ARE women out there who are dressing to attract attention.
 
:lol: The woman is the red dress is posed to look like a "working girl" but probably isn't.
The woman in the torn jeans might be, though I think she has probably finished her shift.

This fellow is also dressing (undressing?) to attract attention, although I don't think the target audience is women.

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Traveler said:
I am going to TRY to explain something about men in general terms. Please note that I do NOT say every single man.

Men are sexual creatures. From the earliest stages of our teens, we begin to think about sex. By our late teens we become obsessed with the female form. We dream about females and we have what are called "wet dreams", ie nocturnal emissions. In other words we ejaculate in our sleep. Be aware that I am NOT saying masturbation. What we experience in our dreams of females happens in our unconscious minds.

That sexual force, at least in our teens, becomes an obsession. That force is with us every second of every day. We get spontaneous erections against our conscious will. At that age, the mere sight of an attractive girl can cause an erection. That sexual force is not unique to boys in western civilizations. It happens in every culture, in every country, across the globe. And it is totally normal.

By our late teens, and certainly by our early 20's, if we have not experienced sexual intercourse, we become almost terrified that we might remain virgins forever. During this stage of a young man's life, he is ready, willing and able to have sex at the drop of a hat. ANY HAT. ANY TIME. 24/7.

Of course, sooner or later, "IT" will happen. And, when it finally does happen, it is the happiest day of our young inexperienced lives.

The sexual obsession can last, at least for some men, for many decades. Try to think of this as a metaphor, The sexual force, in men, is like a campfire. What happens when a campfire is heavily fanned ? It grows ever more hot and the flames burn even higher. When a man, especially a young man, sees attractive women, dressed in skimpy or revealing clothing, it is exactly like fanning the campfire.

Now, some women condemn men for being what we are. But that is like condemning a cat for jumping up onto high places. The cat can not help doing what comes naturally and neither can a man.

The entire point of this thread is that men are naturally attracted to women and most especially to women who dress in a "sexy" manner.

One note here. Muslim countries are all too aware that men are, by nature, sexual creatures. To counter that sexual force, or at least tame it, Muslims often require the females to wear burqa's. I do NOT say they are right, or wrong, or that western women should do the same. I only report what Muslims do.
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I strongly suspect that most of us are fully aware of the male sexual drive. We do not need you lecturing down to us on the subject
 
Warrigal said:
Actually that advertisement is attempting to seduce readers into buying their overly expensive products. If seduction doesn't work then body shaming will do the trick. That heavily photoshopped image, of an impossibly perfect woman is dangled in front of young women who are already insecure about their looks, and hey presto, another customer for the beauty industry is created. This kind of manipulation is effective on immature girls, and once hooked, they continue to be customers for life even though they never achieve the perfection of the model.

As a teen I plastered my face with layers of makeup and felt naked without it. My hair was curled and lacquered because my naturally straight hair was not in vogue. Then I read The Female Eunuch and realised that I could go out in public without wearing the war paint to hide my natural looks. Ditto the painted nails and the elasticised underwear that was completely unnecessary for the young trim body that I had back then. I stopped sleeping with my hair in uncomfortable plastic curlers and decided that I would please myself about how I looked. Over the years I have saved thousands on beauty products and I have developed my own style of dressing. It relies more on bright colours than naked skin. I'm happy and so is Hubby. He likes the way I look, with or without cosmetic enhancements.

None of my female relatives attempt the kind of sexy dressing that you describe although when we go out we do like to "look nice".
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Exactly, Warri, women are used by these industries to make money and are really victims. They are subtley told they are not good enough or not pretty or not the right weight or not the right hair color or their eyelashes are not curly like they should be and all
to make money and it cripples may girls and women.
 
Ruthanne said:
Exactly, Warri, women are used by these industries to make money and are really victims. They are subtley told they are not good enough or not pretty or not the right weight or not the right hair color or their eyelashes are not curly like they should be and all
to make money and it cripples may girls and women.
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Now ! Now, I understand why all of the bitter recriminations. I treaded upon sacred feminist soil. You ladies see yourselves as victims of an evil industry designed specifically to keep you financially enslaved. You do NOT see yourselves as willing, perhaps even joyous, participants working hand-in-hand with an industry designed to make you more attractive, perhaps even beautiful.

Well now, that is a horse of a different color, indeed. If what you say is true, then your argument is not with me but rather with the 10's of millions upon millions of women who buy the products to which you refer. Why ? Because those other women are not only keeping the beauty industry alive, but making it rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

There are two major flaws in that argument. One, much of the beauty industry is owned and controlled by women such as Coco Chanel, Vera Wang, Diane Von Furstenberg, Ella Schiaparelli, and that other famous billionaire businesswoman May Kay. Who I might add has 3 million sales women world-wide. The men in that industry are, predominantly gay men such as Versace.

The other, and even fatal flaw in your argument is that throughout all of human history, going even further back than 3,000 B.C. Egypt, women have gone to any lengths to make themselves more beautiful. How do I know this for a fact. Because I saw, with my own eyes, ancient beauty make-up cases, complete with dried, desiccated eye liners, lipsticks, mirrors, tools for plucking hair and various powders, in the Cairo Museum Of Egyptian Antiquities.

Such a long and storied history of women's search for beauty tells me that the root cause of this is genetic. Ladies, it's in your DNA.
That is NOT meant to be a put-down. Men also have been encoded with specific genetic traits. So, men too carry DNA baggage. Among the many genetic traits of men is to build the "nest", and two of the genetic traits of women is to decorate and populate the "nest".

It took me a very long time to understand, but Ruthanne gave me the final clue. So, now I have it. The whole thing is genetic.
I can't thank you all enough. Mystery solved ! No more questions. :clap:
 
Traveler said:
Now ! Now, I understand why all of the bitter recriminations. I treaded upon sacred feminist soil. You ladies see yourselves as victims of an evil industry designed specifically to keep you financially enslaved. You do NOT see yourselves as willing, perhaps even joyous, participants working hand-in-hand with an industry designed to make you more attractive, perhaps even beautiful.

Well now, that is a horse of a different color, indeed. If what you say is true, then your argument is not with me but rather with the 10's of millions upon millions of women who buy the products to which you refer. Why ? Because those other women are not only keeping the beauty industry alive, but making it rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

There are two major flaws in that argument. One, much of the beauty industry is owned and controlled by women such as Coco Chanel, and that other famous billionaire businesswoman May Kay. Who I might add has 3 million sales women world-wide. The men in that industry are, predominantly gay men such as Versace.

The other, and even fatal flaw in your argument is that throughout all of human history, going even further back than 3,000 B.C. Egypt, women have gone to any lengths to make themselves more beautiful. How do I know this for a fact. Because I saw, with my own eyes, ancient beauty make-up cases, complete with dried, desiccated eye liners, lipsticks, mirrors, tools for plucking hair and various powders, in the Cairo Museum Of Egyptian Antiquities.

Such a long and storied history of women's search for beauty tells me that the root cause of this is genetic. Ladies, it's in your DNA.
That is NOT meant to be a put-down. Men also have been encoded with specific genetic traits. So, men too carry DNA baggage. Among the many genetic traits of men is to build the "nest", and two of the genetic traits of women is to decorate and populate the "nest".

It took me a very long time to understand, but Ruthanne gave me the final clue. So, now I have it. The whole thing is genetic.
I can't thank you all enough. Mystery solved ! No more questions. :clap:
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Women and men make victims of women in the industries. There are many women who have not discovered it yet. I for one am not a willing participant any longer and I know many women who too are not. There are plenty of men who decorate themselves now a days, and what for? We have always loved them as they are. At least I have. Women in modern times have been FAR MORE exploited than men and for men mostly. I am glad that I don't have to please anyone now and am glad others know that, too.

As for genetics I say no to that; it is more brainwashing and social conditioning.:cheers1:
 
I'm sorry to say this , Ruthanne, but the argument of "woman as victim" of the beauty industry just doesn't wash. Today's modern woman is a liberated woman, and collectively they have TREMENDOUS power. If women don't want something, then the answer is simple. Stop buying it. Instant emancipation.

I don't recall any case of a woman ever being forced to buy cosmetics at the point of a gun. I mean, seriously. Both of us have seen women in big department stores getting made up by professionals. Those women looked like they were having one heck of a great time. I personally stood by as various GF's and wives were made up and they all were smiling ear to ear. Talk about happy women. Wow !
 
Traveler said:
I'm sorry to say this , Ruthanne, but the argument of "woman as victim" of the beauty industry just doesn't wash. Today's modern woman is a liberated woman, and collectively they have TREMENDOUS power. If women don't want something, then the answer is simple. Stop buying it. Instant emancipation.

I don't recall any case of a woman ever being forced to buy cosmetics at the point of a gun. I mean, seriously. Both of us have seen women in big department stores getting made up by professionals. Those women looked like they were having one heck of a great time. I personally stood by as various GF's and wives were made up and they all were smiling ear to ear. Talk about happy women. Wow !
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Social conditioning has been done since women are very young. It's not as simple as you say and you don't know what it's like because you are not a woman and have never been subjected to a lifetime of telling you that you should look better than you do or that if you don't wear make up you are a plain Jane or ugly. I don't expect you to understand unless someone gives you a big shot of instant empathy or understanding. This will be my last post because I feel you don't really want to understand what it's like for a woman.
 
OK, so what I write here will probably make some eyes roll, but whatever. Another difference between men and women is that men are 99% more likely to rape a woman than vice versa. So, this is just the way a cop's mind thinks when asked these types of questions.

It has been well documented that on average, over 10% (I believe the last report that I read stated 11.8%) of the female student population in larger colleges and universities either have been or will be raped. Most go unreported because of embarrassment and guilt.

To me, it's a tragic situation.

Parents of young ladies that are going to college needs to hammer into the brain of their daughter that they need to be very careful when attending either sorority or fraternity parties. This is where most campus rapes takes place.
 
Use of make up...........

Ruthanne said:
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Originally Posted by Warrigal Actually that advertisement is attempting to seduce readers into buying their overly expensive products. If seduction doesn't work then body shaming will do the trick. That heavily photoshopped image, of an impossibly perfect woman is dangled in front of young women who are already insecure about their looks, and hey presto, another customer for the beauty industry is created. This kind of manipulation is effective on immature girls, and once hooked, they continue to be customers for life even though they never achieve the perfection of the model.

As a teen I plastered my face with layers of makeup and felt naked without it. My hair was curled and lacquered because my naturally straight hair was not in vogue. Then I read The Female Eunuch and realised that I could go out in public without wearing the war paint to hide my natural looks. Ditto the painted nails and the elasticised underwear that was completely unnecessary for the young trim body that I had back then. I stopped sleeping with my hair in uncomfortable plastic curlers and decided that I would please myself about how I looked. Over the years I have saved thousands on beauty products and I have developed my own style of dressing. It relies more on bright colours than naked skin. I'm happy and so is Hubby. He likes the way I look, with or without cosmetic enhancements.

None of my female relatives attempt the kind of sexy dressing that you describe although when we go out we do like to "look nice".

Ruthanne wrote:
"Exactly, Warri, women are used by these industries to make money and are really victims. They are subtley told they are not good enough or not pretty or not the right weight or not the right hair color or their eyelashes are not curly like they should be and all
to make money and it cripples may girls and women."
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The "mystery" surrounding the reasons why women choose to wear make up, and spend so much money on their appearance was brought up early in this thread wasn't it (and who doesn't like a woman to look good?).

People have tried to explain the various reasons why women wear make up etc. to us dollards who have lived so long without figuring it out, and yet maybe some of us still can't quite get it unfortunately (self esteem, confidence and so on).

However, I do have one small piece of information to impart and that is whilst my then wife was seeing someone behind my back who she eventually left to live with and then marry (though they're not together now), she did start to use more make up, and apply more scent I seem to remember during the time she pretended nothing untoward was going on. "So maybe we can agree" that just sometimes women do wear make up etc., in order to attract a possible mate (?).
 
And I can remember times when I was dressed in sweats with a cheerio stuck to my rats nest of hair and my husband thought I was the sexiest thing alive. I wish I'd appreciated that more.
 

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