Medical Marijuana and Other Questions About Pot

JimW said:
Good catch Phil. Unless I'm reading this conversion chart wrong (which I very well may be) the two are equal measurements when compared:
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Granted that works for water, I'm not sure how it works for this balm (been a while since chem class).

TODAY'S PSEUDO-SCIENCE LESSON BY A FAILED CHEMIST

1 ml (or cm[SUP]3[/SUP]) of pure water (at 20C) weighs approx. 1 gram.

You could have 1 gram of balm that has a higher density than water, thus would take up less space.

At least, that's how I recall it ...
 

SifuPhil said:
Granted that works for water, I'm not sure how it works for this balm (been a while since chem class).

TODAY'S PSEUDO-SCIENCE LESSON BY A FAILED CHEMIST

1 ml (or cm[SUP]3[/SUP]) of pure water (at 20C) weighs approx. 1 gram.

You could have 1 gram of balm that has a higher density than water, thus would take up less space.

At least, that's how I recall it ...
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No one can tell what a balm is gonna do!

 
SifuPhil said:
Granted that works for water, I'm not sure how it works for this balm (been a while since chem class).

TODAY'S PSEUDO-SCIENCE LESSON BY A FAILED CHEMIST

1 ml (or cm[SUP]3[/SUP]) of pure water (at 20C) weighs approx. 1 gram.

You could have 1 gram of balm that has a higher density than water, thus would take up less space.

At least, that's how I recall it ...
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I would imagine if you're comparing two like products (balms) to each other, then the measurements of each would be equal.
 

I just ordered the 500 mg in Eucalyptus/Lavender. Will let this thread know how it does. Also, order a bottle of Turmeric w/Black Pepper from Walgreens. The bottle we have doesn't contain Black Pepper and, thru online research, found that Black Pepper is an excellent add-on to Turmeric. The Black Pepper makes the Turmeric work faster.
 
JimW said:
I would imagine if you're comparing two like products (balms) to each other, then the measurements of each would be equal.
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I think it would depend upon their ingredients.

A balm with more solids would weigh more (have higher density) than one that is more liquid.

Now, granted, we're probably talking very small differences in the case of a small tin, but when it comes to an analysis of CBD content that small difference could make a world of difference.
 
ClassicRockr said:
I just ordered the 500 mg in Eucalyptus/Lavender. Will let this thread know how it does. Also, order a bottle of Turmeric w/Black Pepper from Walgreens. The bottle we have doesn't contain Black Pepper and, thru online research, found that Black Pepper is an excellent add-on to Turmeric. The Black Pepper makes the Turmeric work faster.
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Good luck with it Rocker, I hope it works for you.

SifuPhil said:
I think it would depend upon their ingredients.

A balm with more solids would weigh more (have higher density) than one that is more liquid.

Now, granted, we're probably talking very small differences in the case of a small tin, but when it comes to an analysis of CBD content that small difference could make a world of difference.
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In this case with one measurement at 21.8 and the other at 2, I would feel pretty confident in saying that the one that contains 21.8 has more CBD than the other. So confident that I would bet your house on it.
 
JimW said:
Good luck with it Rocker, I hope it works for you.



In this case with one measurement at 21.8 and the other at 2, I would feel pretty confident in saying that the one that contains 21.8 has more CBD than the other. So confident that I would bet your house on it.
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“i’d bet your house on it”....good one. Haven’t heard that one in a long time.

Love the humor we have on this forum!
 
JimW said:
In this case with one measurement at 21.8 and the other at 2, I would feel pretty confident in saying that the one that contains 21.8 has more CBD than the other. So confident that I would bet your house on it.
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But that's my point - are they measuring the same thing using the same units of measure? I highly doubt it, not with an order of magnitude difference in CBD content.

We might be measuring seagulls vs. puppy dogs.

And please - DO bet my house. I don't like it here - I can move in with you after you win the bet. :D
 
SifuPhil said:
But that's my point - are they measuring the same thing using the same units of measure? I highly doubt it, not with an order of magnitude difference in CBD content.

We might be measuring seagulls vs. puppy dogs.

And please - DO bet my house. I don't like it here - I can move in with you after you win the bet. :D
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Definitely like that response.
 
SifuPhil said:
But that's my point - are they measuring the same thing using the same units of measure? I highly doubt it, not with an order of magnitude difference in CBD content.

We might be measuring seagulls vs. puppy dogs.

And please - DO bet my house. I don't like it here - I can move in with you after you win the bet. :D
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Yes, CBD and Hemp extract are considered the same thing and it's already been shown that the two units of measure are in fact equal density measurements. I'm still trying to figure out how you moving in with me would equate to my winning the bet?
 
JimW said:
Yes, CBD and Hemp extract are considered the same thing ...
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Actually they are not.

Hemp "extract" can mean any of over 80 different phyto-cannabinoid compounds - CBD, CBC, CBG, CBN, amino acids, carbohydrates, chlorophyll, ketones, etc.

CBD is just one of the possible extracts.

... and it's already been shown that the two units of measure are in fact equal density measurements.
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How has that been shown? For water, yes, but not for these two samples.

I'm still trying to figure out how you moving in with me would equate to my winning the bet?
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Well, if you're betting my house then I should be able to move in with you when you win the bet.

Think of all the stimulating conversations we could have about CBD. :D
 
SifuPhil said:
Actually they are not.

Hemp "extract" can mean any of over 80 different phyto-cannabinoid compounds - CBD, CBC, CBG, CBN, amino acids, carbohydrates, chlorophyll, ketones, etc.

CBD is just one of the possible extracts.



How has that been shown? For water, yes, but not for these two samples.



Well, if you're betting my house then I should be able to move in with you when you win the bet.

Think of all the stimulating conversations we could have about CBD. :D
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Correct that CBD oil is just one of the possible extracts from a hemp plant, I should have worded that differently. However, I have posted the conversion chart that shows the two measurements to be equal to each other when comparing like items. Of course they might not be equal when comparing a surf board to a pineapple, I'd think that to be common sense. In this case the comparison was made between two balms that are like products and the comparison clearly shows that one balm contained a lot more CBD oil than the other. There is only one balm out of the two that actually claims CBD oil as an ingredient, the other claims "Naturally Grown Hemp CO2 Extract - 2 mg/ml broad spectrum phytocompounds." as it's ingredient, so it may not even be CBD oil. Based on your post of how many different phytocompounds there are, the odds are very good that this product contains little to no CBD oil. Either way the balm containing 21.8 mg/g of CBD oil has a lot more CBD oil in it than the other, that is a fact. It doesn't matter how you want to mince words or change the focus of the conversation, my original statement is true and has been backed up with the scientific numbers listed by the manufacturers of the products. If you'd like to refute that further, please do so with some other numbers that say it isn't so. Show me how it would be possible for the balm that claims to contain "Naturally Grown Hemp CO2 Extract - 2 mg/ml broad spectrum phytocompounds." has more CBD oil than the balm that claims to contain 21.8 mg/g of CBD oil.

I've already got your house rented, so I suppose you could stay in the shed, I'll even let you use the Loo. :D
 
JimW said:
Correct that CBD oil is just one of the possible extracts from a hemp plant, I should have worded that differently. However, I have posted the conversion chart that shows the two measurements to be equal to each other when comparing like items. Of course they might not be equal when comparing a surf board to a pineapple, I'd think that to be common sense. In this case the comparison was made between two balms that are like products and the comparison clearly shows that one balm contained a lot more CBD oil than the other. There is only one balm out of the two that actually claims CBD oil as an ingredient, the other claims "Naturally Grown Hemp CO2 Extract - 2 mg/ml broad spectrum phytocompounds." as it's ingredient, so it may not even be CBD oil. Based on your post of how many different phytocompounds there are, the odds are very good that this product contains little to no CBD oil. Either way the balm containing 21.8 mg/g of CBD oil has a lot more CBD oil in it than the other, that is a fact. It doesn't matter how you want to mince words or change the focus of the conversation, my original statement is true and has been backed up with the scientific numbers listed by the manufacturers of the products. If you'd like to refute that further, please do so with some other numbers that say it isn't so. Show me how it would be possible for the balm that claims to contain "Naturally Grown Hemp CO2 Extract - 2 mg/ml broad spectrum phytocompounds." has more CBD oil than the balm that claims to contain 21.8 mg/g of CBD oil.
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I give up.

I've tried to show how two balms, no matter their advertised claims, can be like night and day when scientifically measured.

For whatever reason, my efforts have failed.

I wish you continued luck with your compound.
 
SifuPhil said:
I give up.

I've tried to show how two balms, no matter their advertised claims, can be like night and day when scientifically measured.

For whatever reason, my efforts have failed.

I wish you continued luck with your compound.
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No worries Phil, you can still live in my shed. :D
 
SifuPhil said:
Oh, good.

I've got some balm that is guaranteed to give you relief. Sorry, I can't list the ingredients, but it's only $9.99/lb!

See the slippery slope? You have to care somewhat what you're getting, otherwise why bother?
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- a bargain at twice the price, K.F. Chicken, Los Angeles, CA

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RadishRose said:
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- a bargain at twice the price, K.F. Chicken, Los Angeles, CA

Order Now!
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Wandrin said:
I wonder if CBD would be stronger and/or more effective if purchased through a reputable medical marijuana dispensary versus regular stores?
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Good point.

Your chances of getting a "clean" product would probably be better, and perhaps the employees might be able to help you choose, but I'm sure they'd charge a premium for it. Again, you usually get what you pay for.
 
JimW said:
Here is the link to the balm we use, you can find the CBD drops on this site as well. I highly recommend the balm and you might have some luck with the drops. We've been using the 500mg strength and it's been working great.
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Jim, I may be interested in getting some of the balm for pain in the future. Medical and recreational is legal where I live, but after doing an online search for a balm, I didn't see any that had the mg amounts, and some had menthol and things like that just like Ben Gay.....something I want to avoid. I'd prefer to buy from a dispensary rather than online, but I don't want a weak product.

I noticed there was a 1,000mg strength, I think I would go with that one. Have you ever used the stronger version of the balm from GoGreen? Since it's been recommended, I'd probably try that brand first. I'm just getting over a back strain/sprain that's been causing me pain coming up on a couple of weeks now. I don't need the balm right now, but I'd like to have something of quality on hand if needed.
 
Wandrin said:
I wonder if CBD would be stronger and/or more effective if purchased through a reputable medical marijuana dispensary versus regular stores?
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If the product would be regulated by the FDA, it would at least be a truthful list of ingredients and their amounts.

Gosh, my shoulder wishes it had some right now.
 
Oddly enough I just went to the health store this afternoon, to look into vitamin "B" Talked with the woman, it sounded better than another doc..so I bought [for an energy boost]

I asked about [her brand] of CBD. She of course said it was superior to others out there. Last year I tried 3 months worth [3 bottles] 250 & 500 mg . I felt no change / help.

If this vitamin "B" she pitched performs as she it should / would? Then I may give her brand of CBD a try.

She provided me with a few sheets of info on it, which I will read tomorrow.
If ya'all here are interested?...I'll post the product name.
 

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