Are You "Open-Minded" Or Not?

ClassicRockr said:
Well, no matter. We just don't like the "look" at all, not at all.

Just like we don't like the look of the young guys with their baseball caps turn around backwards. Looks stupid to us. Sure wouldn't see a young guy showing livestock at a Fair looking like that. And, I've never seen any rodeo cowboys wear their baseball cap that way either. Gee, wonder how it would look, during the National Anthem if a NASCAR driver wore their baseball cap that way. That would definitely make NASCAR headlines.

Actually, I did know a young dude, a Steer Wrestler in pro-rodeo, who had his ears and nipples pierced and had a number of tattoos. The entire rodeo industry, including the rodeo announcer teased him about it. He looked totally weird, because none, absolutely none, of the other pro-rodeo cowboys looked that way. They looked normal, but he sure didn't. He got lucky and won a World Championship, but then quit the sport. Many were glad he did.
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I was just surfing past, preparing for a long day ahead, saw some comments here and had to log in for a minute...

You've commented on tattooed individuals, gays, etc., that you 'don't like;' could you clarify this:
when you say you don't like certain groups of people, does that simply mean you prefer to avoid them, or that you think they should change to suit your preferences?
 

"Well, no matter. We just don't like the "look" at all, not at all.

Just like we don't like the look of the young guys with their baseball caps turn around backwards. Looks stupid to us. Sure wouldn't see a young guy showing livestock at a Fair looking like that. And, I've never seen any rodeo cowboys wear their baseball cap that way either. Gee, wonder how it would look, during the National Anthem if a NASCAR driver wore their baseball cap that way. That would definitely make NASCAR headlines. "

Well I don't like allot of that stuff myself but.....A; I don't let it ruin my day & B; I suggest you not let it ruin yours.

That said...you too have the right to do as you please .
 
Robusta said:
Well don't go anywhere on my account. I am rude crude and in your face. (in other words frank direct and honest) A typical New Yorker if you will.
I don't know any ranchers, but most of my acquaintances and family are farmers. I have family in Utah, Nevada and New Mexico. Not a single person that I know is as judgmental as you seem to be about people that do not mirror you.

Do you remember the movie, "Bad Day at Black Rock" with Spencer Tracy? I think that you would be mayor of Black Rock.
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Yes, we are both judgmental and I think, actually KNOW, there are many people out there that are the same exact way, but just won't admit it. They will say something against tattoo's, but will also say they aren't judgmental. Saying they don't like them is the same as being judgmental. Also, of course we like people that "mirror" us, a lot of folks do like that. Actually, the interests wife and I share, the rest of the family, on her side and mine, don't at all.

Another thing, I've never even heard of a ranch or farm family going to Disneyland, Disney World or any other big entertainment place. Believe me, there is definitely differences, in many ways, between folks from East Coast States and some other States. The differences aren't bad at all, but, that can also depend on who a person is talking to. ​
 

JaniceM said:
I was just surfing past, preparing for a long day ahead, saw some comments here and had to log in for a minute...

You've commented on tattooed individuals, gays, etc., that you 'don't like;' could you clarify this:
when you say you don't like certain groups of people, does that simply mean you prefer to avoid them, or that you think they should change to suit your preferences?
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Chose not to know or hang out with any. One thing for sure, neither of us would be marching in a protest of them.
 
rgp said:
"Well, no matter. We just don't like the "look" at all, not at all.

Just like we don't like the look of the young guys with their baseball caps turn around backwards. Looks stupid to us. Sure wouldn't see a young guy showing livestock at a Fair looking like that. And, I've never seen any rodeo cowboys wear their baseball cap that way either. Gee, wonder how it would look, during the National Anthem if a NASCAR driver wore their baseball cap that way. That would definitely make NASCAR headlines. "

Well I don't like allot of that stuff myself but.....A; I don't let it ruin my day & B; I suggest you not let it ruin yours.

That said...you too have the right to do as you please .
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Doesn't ruin my day, I can be just verbal about likes and dislikes........that's all.
 
Oh, BTW, you think I'm judgmental, you should hear my brother talk about people from India AND some of the things I've mentioned. And, he's a Deacon at the church him and his wife attend.

Anyway, guess there are just certain topics (Threads) that shouldn't be discuss.........perhaps this being one of them. Too much controversy!
 
On the subject of tattoos. I have a niece that I love to bits who sports a number of rather visible tattoos. I don't love the tats but as I said, my niece is very lovable and she has a very big heart.

I dislike the current trend of body 'art' and it brings out the 'tut tut' response in me. I mostly see it on the arms of burly football players in the form of full sleeve tattoos. I'm not a fan of hyper masculinity at the best of times and usually mentally mark them down, preferring a more clean cut look on young people.

Yesterday I was watching TV footage of people battling to save homes from out of control fires that are not too far from where I live. The air has been full of the smell of smoke for two days now and helicopters have been overhead dumping water. The TV was following a man who was flat out attempting to save neighbours homes. He had no protective clothing on and in the heat his arms were bare. They were heavily tattooed and it occurred to me that I should remind myself to judge people more by the size of their hearts, and less on the decorations on their skin.
 
Warrigal said:
On the subject of tattoos. I have a niece that I love to bits who sports a number of rather visible tattoos. I don't love the tats but as I said, my niece is very lovable and she has a very big heart.

I dislike the current trend of body 'art' and it brings out the 'tut tut' response in me. I mostly see it on the arms of burly football players in the form of full sleeve tattoos. I'm not a fan of hyper masculinity at the best of times and usually mentally mark them down, preferring a more clean cut look on young people.

Yesterday I was watching TV footage of people battling to save homes from out of control fires that are not too far from where I live. The air has been full of the smell of smoke for two days now and helicopters have been overhead dumping water. The TV was following a man who was flat out attempting to save neighbours homes. He had no protective clothing on and in the heat his arms were bare. They were heavily tattooed and it occurred to me that I should remind myself to judge people more by the size of their hearts, and less on the decorations on their skin.
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Letā€™s see, what can I say about this? OK, anyone can be a thoughtful, nice and kind person, but we just happen to think more highly of those that arenā€™t full of tattoos.

There is no way that I could see the 42 year old Pastor of the Church weā€™ve gone to with tattoos on his arms and weā€™ve seen him in short sleeves. I also couldnā€™t imagine the Prayer Group leaders with tattoos plastered all over them. In fact, come to think of it, wife and I have never seen anyone attend any church weā€™ve been to displaying tattoos, body piercings or different colors of hair.

Iā€™ve been to areas of Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotaā€™s, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma and other where none of this stuff was present. Actually, I think some folks move to those areas to get away from people who like or approve of this stuff.
 
Our church is the same as yours. No visible tattoos on anyone.
However, if someone entered our doors sporting an array of tats, even if some of them look rather demonic, we would not turn them away.
After all, did not Jesus say that he came to heal the sick, not the healthy?
Perhaps the tattooed ones are not the only ones in need of healing?
 
ClassicRockr said:
Iā€™ve been to areas of Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotaā€™s, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma and other where none of this stuff was present. Actually, I think some folks move to those areas to get away from people who like or approve of this stuff.
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So you are saying that no one in the aforementioned states have any of the characteristics that you despise. Or that they would and should be discriminated against pointed out have their business boycotted,and be crucified by the likes of you.

My son is a Baptist Preacher. He has several tattoos.
Do you really think Jesus would not sit and eat with a tattooed pierced Mohawk sporting homosexual? The Jesus I have read about would more than welcome him,and probably cast you away from the table.
If you sincerely ask for his forgiveness he would gladly welcome you back along with more colorful ones.
I really would hope that you are praying to your savior that he might help you to develop some love and most of all empathy for those different than yourself.
 
Keesha said:
BEAUTIFUL!:glitter-heart:
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BUT, this is how you and the other member feel, NOT the way everyone in America feels.

Not everyone likes, or can tolerate, being around smokers, people who use the ā€œfā€ word, plus this other stuff.

There are those that would never live around Livestock, go to a rodeo or horse show, donā€™t like Country-Western music and really dislike firearms. Just Thank God this isnā€™t everyone!!
 
Robusta said:
So you are saying that no one in the aforementioned states have any of the characteristics that you despise. Or that they would and should be discriminated against pointed out have their business boycotted,and be crucified by the likes of you.

My son is a Baptist Preacher. He has several tattoos.
Do you really think Jesus would not sit and eat with a tattooed pierced Mohawk sporting homosexual? The Jesus I have read about would more than welcome him,and probably cast you away from the table.
If you sincerely ask for his forgiveness he would gladly welcome you back along with more colorful ones.
I really would hope that you are praying to your savior that he might help you to develop some love and most of all empathy for those different than yourself.
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We are different than you. Why is that SO, SO hard for you to understand that, like us, people are different. If we choose not to like certain things about people, that IS our right.

My brother is a devoted Christian, yet he dislikes people from India and has no problem telling anyone that.

Different parts of America have different types of people. Los Angeles has all kinds and is really diverse, whereas Billings, Montana definitely isnā€™t and neither is Cheyenne, Wyoming.
 
Well, I think Iā€™m done with this Thread. From discussing these things in this Thread, I can definitely tell that none of you would want to live in parts of Colorado or in Wyoming, Montana or surrounding States. The serious lack of diversity and other things, that we would like, wouldnā€™t be attractive to most of the members here.
 
ClassicRockr said:
BUT, this is how you and the other member feel, NOT the way everyone in America feels.

Not everyone likes, or can tolerate, being around smokers, people who use the ā€œfā€ word, plus this other stuff.

There are those that would never live around Livestock, go to a rodeo or horse show, donā€™t like Country-Western music and really dislike firearms. Just Thank God this isnā€™t everyone!!
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Thats ok ClassicRockr. Iā€™m NOT trying to change them and wouldnā€™t want anyone trying to change me either.
Would you want anyone trying to change you?
Of course not. You are ok just the way you are; just like everyone else. :grin:
 
ClassicRockr said:
We are different than you. Why is that SO, SO hard for you to understand that, like us, people are different. If we choose not to like certain things about people, that IS our right.

My brother is a devoted Christian, yet he dislikes people from India and has no problem telling anyone that.

Different parts of America have different types of people. Los Angeles has all kinds and is really diverse, whereas Billings, Montana definitely isnā€™t and neither is Cheyenne, Wyoming.
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"We are different than you. Why is that SO, SO hard for you to understand that, like us, people are different. If we choose not to like certain things about people, that IS our right. "

Exactly !! And those with green hair [example] choose to be different and enjoy that....Don't you see the circle here?
 
ClassicRockr said:
Well, I think Iā€™m done with this Thread. From discussing these things in this Thread, I can definitely tell that none of you would want to live in parts of Colorado or in Wyoming, Montana or surrounding States. The serious lack of diversity and other things, that we would like, wouldnā€™t be attractive to most of the members here.
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And you proudly wear your bigotry,your prejudice,your homophobia like it is some kind of a crown to be proud of. I can promise you that there is more than one person in Colorado,Wyoming,Montana or the surrounding states that would find you as offensive as I do.

You sit down there in a rented apartment in Florida a place you hate, dismissing every other part of the country as somehow beneath, these fantasy states you claim exist.
You claim finances are holding you back! Makes no sense to me. You have nothing where you are. When your lease expires Its only a 4 day drive and probably less than 200 in gas and you would be right where you want to be. Rent another apartment and live happily ever after. Scrape together 2000 dollar for rent and security.
 
I can definitely tell that none of you would want to live in parts of Colorado or in Wyoming, Montana or surrounding States
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ClassicRockr, you are probably right on that point.

When Hubby and I visited some western states during the Reagan presidency, we were very courteously received by Americans where ever we went.
How would your neighbourhood react to a foreigner like me if I came to settle among you?
I talk with a peculiar accent and tend to vote for leftish candidates in elections.

My sister lives in Queensland which is much more "white bread" than Sydney as a whole.
By white bread, we mean uniformly bland and without the texture and colour of a multicultural city or suburb.
I prefer to live where I am and have no intention of selling up and moving away.
 
Keesha said:
Thats ok ClassicRockr. Iā€™m NOT trying to change them and wouldnā€™t want anyone trying to change me either.
Would you want anyone trying to change you?
Of course not. You are ok just the way you are; just like everyone else. :grin:
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Gotta say, Kesha, that your reply made me laugh as well as.....I love it!!šŸ˜Š
 
I'm not a fan of beards and mustache - even small discrete ones. I have the right to voice my dislike (due to the 1st amendment) - do I? No It's one thing to dislike something about another person; it's another to discriminate against them because of it. i'm also not fond of tattoos either - it's highly unlikely I will ever get one. I like human skin just as it is. When and where I was growing up, only the outlaws of society sported tattoos. "Decent" people didn't get tattoos. It took some work to figure that out - it's part of my feelings about tattoos - and of course, is no longer true - if it ever was. (I came from a small town)
 
Robusta said:
And you proudly wear your bigotry,your prejudice,your homophobia like it is some kind of a crown to be proud of. I can promise you that there is more than one person in Colorado,Wyoming,Montana or the surrounding states that would find you as offensive as I do.

You sit down there in a rented apartment in Florida a place you hate, dismissing every other part of the country as somehow beneath, these fantasy states you claim exist.
You claim finances are holding you back! Makes no sense to me. You have nothing where you are. When your lease expires Its only a 4 day drive and probably less than 200 in gas and you would be right where you want to be. Rent another apartment and live happily ever after. Scrape together 2000 dollar for rent and security.
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First, what you are calling wife and I, you are also calling my brother. None of us are what you are calling us, weā€™ll, mostly not. Although the Blacks here, which there are a lot, get rather shocked when we tell them what kind of music we listen (Motown, Disco, Earth-Wind & Fire and Kool & The Gang) and watch movies with major Black Stars in them). Guess they donā€™t think White folks listen to that kind of music or watch those kind of movies. But, seriously, they are happy and shocked about it.

When my SIL (wifeā€™s sister) found out that her Army granddaughter now has tattoos, she wasnā€™t happy at all about it. Then, when she was told that the granddaughter was Bi-Sexual, she was really, and I mean REALLY disappointed. ā€œHow could she do this to the family?ā€ she told us.

Oh, we have very serious plans on moving, but it takes money. Itā€™s like what I tell most people that donā€™t have a boat, motor home or any other recreational stuff, these thing take money also.

So, are you done bashing our family now???? Surely hope so. šŸ˜Š
 
I suppose there are some things I am open-minded about and maye somewhat opinionated. I have a lot of don't knows.
 
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