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[rgp]

I think the Stormy Daniels discussion needs to be nipped or it's going to turn political. (And she probably has a "following" for that very reason.) nthego:

In today's social climate, damn near anything can turn political in a heartbeat. Which is why I feel it is wrong to say it cannot be discussed at any level.

 

[Butterfly]

Excuse me, but being a porn star does not preclude having feelings. I am appalled at the idea that because she was an adult film star she somehow can be perceived as having abrogated her right to choose whether or not she engages in sexual acts. Or, that she is now immune to trauma. Not so, many porn stars come from abusive backgrounds which have left them traumatised.

Right on, Shali! She is still a human being and has all the rights the rest of us do, and she certainly has the right to say no when she wishes.

 

[Olivia]

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Stormy Daniels was more than willing to do anything. And, I mean ANYTHING, with 3, 4, 5 or 6 men at once. She's had more things stuck into her than a pin cushion. Now she

Seems like you have more than a passing knowledge about that. How else would you? DVD"s?

 

[Traveler]

When I came here, I assumed "political" meant posts about specific political candidates/parties.
And that makes sense. But with a wide definition of "political"... any subject might be considered
by someone ot be "political" in nature, especially when government is now involved in most areas
of society and culture.

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In today's social climate, damn near anything can turn political in a heartbeat. Which is why I feel it is wrong to say it cannot be discussed at any level.

I totally agree with both of the above posts. A certain segment of society has chosen to politicize sexuality. That segment is after increased power, especially power over men. They smell blood in the water and it's not likely they will back-off now. The sharks are gathering for the feast.

Some women, but by no means all, use sex to get what they want. Whether it is a young, drop-dead-gorgeous woman, flaunting her body for a role in the movies, or a girl in a night club exposing her deep cleavage, both are offering, sex in exchange for goodies.

Now, decades later, they see a chance to get more treasure. It's about the money. It was true in ancient times. It was true during war-time when they traded their bodies for nylons and Hershey Bars. It is true today. It will always be true. It's in the very nature of a certain class of womanhood.

They go to the highest bidder. Do I shed any tears for them? Not a chance.

Speaking as a man, who has lived a man's life, I make no naïve pretenses about the sexual dance.

 

[Olivia]

Traveler, the way you portray women on these forums is totally disgusting. I don't understand how you're allowed to still be able to post here. I mean seriously, what the hell is wrong with you that you can continually say such things? This is really too much.

Speaking as a man, who has lived a man's life, I make no naïve pretenses about the sexual dance.

If you're representative of what a man is supposed to be, then we've got problems.

Just want to know if the men here feel they are represented as Traveler says you all are.

 

[KingsX]

Traveler, the way you portray women on these forums is totally disgusting. I don't understand how you're allowed to still be able to post here. I mean seriously, what the hell is wrong with you that you can continually say such things? This is really too much.

If you're representative of what a man is supposed to be, then we've got problems.

Just want to know if the men here feel they are represented as Traveler says you all are.

Most modern women have turned themselves into sluts.
I don't like it... I think womanhood should be cherished.
But my idea of a society that cherishes women, would
probably not pass your "political" litmus test.

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[Shalimar]

I totally agree with both of the above posts. A certain segment of society has chosen to politicize sexuality. That segment is after increased power, especially power over men. They smell blood in the water and it's not likely they will back-off now. The sharks are gathering for the feast.

Some women, but by no means all, use sex to get what they want. Whether it is a young, drop-dead-gorgeous woman, flaunting her body for a role in the movies, or a girl in a night club exposing her deep cleavage, both are offering, sex in exchange for goodies.

Now, decades later, they see a chance to get more treasure. It's about the money. It was true in ancient times. It was true during war-time when they traded their bodies for nylons and Hershey Bars. It is true today. It will always be true. It's in the very nature of a certain class of womanhood.

They go to the highest bidder. Do I shed any tears for them? Not a chance.

Speaking as a man, who has lived a man's life, I make no naïve pretenses about the sexual dance.

Mon Dieu! In my younger days I sometimes frequented upscale clubs where a dress code was enforced. Did I dress in form fitting clothes with a décolletage which accentuated my trim dancer’s figure? Of course. It was a joyous celebration of my femininity, not a willingness to whore myself out to the highest bidder in exchange for material goods. Women should not be expected to cover up to protect their reputation. I spent ten years in

university, achieved a PhD, was never supported by anyone other than myself. I deeply resent any suggestion of “a certain class of woman,” it is demeaning and deeply misogynistic. I am comfortable in my own skin, which includes being a sexual being, yes, women are sexual beings just as men are, but on equal terms with my partner. Mutual respect. Each gender has

the right to wear sexy clothes without being perceived as potential whores on the make. As for the characterization of the scores of women who bravely came forward to accuse those men who used power and fear to victimize them, I applaud their courage, and yearn for a day when women will no longer be seen as complicit in their own sexual assault. I have been on sf for

three and a half years, it is only lately that I have been exposed to this sort of rhetoric about women. Frankly, it is very distressing, and given the number of pm I have received from upset posters, male and female, l am far from being the only one. For those so inclined, there are other sites, ie the Red Pill forums, which welcome such views. Without divulging names, I know of several people who have left this site because of this atmosphere.

 

[Olivia]

Most modern women have turned themselves into sluts.
I don't like it... I think womanhood should be cherished.
But my idea of a society that cherishes women, would
probably not pass your "political" litmus test.

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Really, according to you women have turned themselves into sluts? That says more about you than the women you're speaking of.

 

[Shalimar]

Most modern women have turned themselves into sluts.
I don't like it... I think womanhood should be cherished.
But my idea of a society that cherishes women, would
probably not pass your "political" litmus test.

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This modern woman believes in a society which cherishes both men and women, with children being the most cherished of all. We have a long way to go, but living a life of service and compassion will point the way. Love is the most powerful force in the universe.

 

[KingsX]

Really, according to you women have turned themselves into sluts? That says more about you than the women you're speaking of.

Unless she is forcible raped, a woman has the power to say no.
Most modern women routinely say, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes...
Then they turn around and wonder why men think of them and
treat them like sluts. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone
that if you act like a slut, you are one.

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[Shalimar]

Unless she is forcible raped, a woman has the power to say no.
Most modern women routinely say, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes...
Then they turn around and wonder why men think of them and
treat them like sluts. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone
that if you act like a slut, you are one.

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If a slut is someone who “routinely says, yes, yes, yes, yes...” then wow, are there a lot of male sluts! Sorry guys, but really.....this is the twenty first century.

 

[Olivia]

Unless she is forcible raped, a woman has the power to say no.
Most modern women routinely say, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes...
Then they turn around and wonder why men think of them and
treat them like sluts. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone
that if you act like a slut, you are one.

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This is beyond decency for any Message Board. If this stands then I'll know I am participating in the wrong Forums. Traveler is bad enough and now you.

 

[Shalimar]

It is beginning to feel as if it is open season on women.

 

[KingsX]

This is beyond decency for any Message Board. If this stands then I'll know I am participating in the wrong Forums. Traveler is bad enough and now you.

What's indecent is modern immoral society and the cultural marxists who promote the degeneracy.

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[Traveler]

It is beginning to feel as if it is open season on women.

Kinda like it's been open season on men for decades. You didn't actually think that it is a one-way street did you ?

 

[Shalimar]

Kinda like it's been open season on men for decades. You didn't actually think that it is a one-way street did you ?

Really? How condescending. You say this to someone whose practice consists primarily of male vets suffering from PTSD? Many of whom I treat pro bono? Your false archetypes of women are egregious in the extreme.

 

[Traveler]

Really? How condescending. You say this to someone whose practice consists primarily of male vets suffering from PTSD? Many of whom I treat pro bono? Your false archetypes of women are egregious in the extreme.

Shalimar, you conveniently forget that you are not representative of ALL women. For every good woman like you, there are many other women who hate men with a purple passion. Some of whom have made small fortunes by writing anti-men books.

You doubt that ? Just take a trip to any large book store and check out the "Women's Section".

Years ago I was in in the college book store, I saw the "Women Section" and I asked a female clerk where the "Men's Section" was located. Her reply, "We don't sell those kinds of magazines". If that isn't nasty, catty, and man hating, then I don't know what is.

 

[Shalimar]

Shalimar, you conveniently forget that you are not representative of ALL women. For every good woman like you, there are many other women who hate men with a purple passion.

Monsieur, please do not put thoughts in my head. I do not conveniently forget anything, in the last three decades, I have dealt with thousands of clients, almost every personality type imaginable. Some good, some psychopathic. Men and women are individuals not caricatures, and I am no better than the majority of either. The extremes are just that, not representative of the whole. D’accord.

 

[Traveler]

Monsieur, please do not put thoughts in my head. I do not conveniently forget anything, in the last three decades, I have dealt with thousands of clients, almost every personality type imaginable. Some good, some psychopathic. Men and women are individuals not caricatures, and I am no better than the majority of either. The extremes are just that, not representative of the whole. D’accord.

With all due respect, I ask why you deny that there are thousands of females who have made a darn good living writing books which make all men out to be rapists and "users" of women.

There are millions upon millions of men who get used by women every single day. That's why they call us, Walking ATM Machines.

 

[Shalimar]

With all due respect, I ask why you deny that there are thousands of females who have made a darn good living writing books which make all men out to be rapists and "users" of women.

There are millions upon millions of men who get used by women every single day. That's why they call us, Walking ATM Machines.

There are also thousands of men who have made a good living writing about women as mattresses fit only to be used by men. Does that make them the majority? I think not. I do not deny that some women vilify men also, it isn’t right. Where we part company is over your belief in the vast numbers of such women. There may very well be thousands of them, but there are far more who do not. We are not your enemy. I hope you are not ours, although I wonder. Goodnight.

 

[Traveler]

There are also thousands of men who have made a good living writing about women as mattresses fit only to be used by men. Does that make them the majority? I think not. I do not deny that some women vilify men also, it isn’t right. Where we part company is over your belief in the vast numbers of such women. There may very well be thousands of them, but there are far more who do not. We are not your enemy. I hope you are not ours, although I wonder. Goodnight.

I don't know exactly what to say in reply , except that I have married or lived with almost two dozen women in my life. Some were the sweetest, most generous women I've ever met. However, some were out to use me for everything they could squeeze from me. One or two were truly evil temptresses.

So, in the end, like most people, I have mixed emotions and thoughts about their significant other.

The biggest problem is that it is often quite difficult to know the difference, until it is way too late. That's why I have chosen to bow out of the game. It's just not worth the emotional cost