The wedding cake issue again

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rjp...you're talking about Jehovah's Witness, not fundamentalist Christians. JWs indeed have their own bible and literature and they indeed cruise neighborhoods knocking on doors to spread their religious views. It's annoying to answer the door but I don't make fun of them.

They began to carry the KJV Bible also because some of their scripture overlaps the Christian Bible. Their reason was so they could draw the Christians over to their side by making Chistians think that our beliefs are the same...but their religion is very very different from Christians and Fundamentalist Christians.
 

Lara said:
rjp...you're talking about Jehovah's Witness, not fundamentalist Christians. JWs indeed have their own bible and literature and they indeed cruise neighborhoods knocking on doors to spread their religious views.

They began to carry the KJV Bible also because some of the scripture overlaps the Christian Bible. Their reason was so they could draw the Christians over to their side by making Chistians think that our beliefs are the same...but their religion is very very different from Christians and Fundamentalist Christians.
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LOL!! OK...one more time...it's RGP....but hey....just don't call me late for happy hour...:)

And NO they are Christian Fundamentalist .....they leave their printed crap in the door all the time....I have talked to them , face to face more times than I ever wanted,....I drive by the church they are from all the time.

And bottom line ....they are indeed bible-thumpers....no matter what.
 
"Chistians think that our beliefs are the same...but their religion is very very different from Christians and Fundamentalist Christians."

Which is exactly why I reject all of it.....period ! It is all about belief, & I believe it is all bunk !

 

I almost became a Mormon back in the mid 70's. Took all the lessons and decided, at the last minute, "no" and didn't go thru with it. However, for a short while I did date a Mormon girl that I met at the Institute of Religion at a local Jr. College. She truly surprised me at how much she really, really physically wanted me. The church says "no", but there are those girls that sure don't want to her that "no" from the church.

Wonder what would have happened if this baker had been a Mormon?

And, BTW, the young Mormon missionaries always have the Book Of Mormon with them when riding their bicycles door-to-door.
 
The 1st Amendment of the Constitution doesn't specify any particular religion for which it's protecting.

It's protecting any and all religions to practice their beliefs at any time. http://https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

That's what this is all about and that's why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Christian baker.

The baker has the right to practice doing what he believes is the will of God according to biblical scripture.

The gay couple have the right to walk across the street and order their cake at that bakery.

Today, much of society hasn't read the Constitution, has grown up in a highly litigious society, and just wants to rant because anger, loudness, and stepping on other people's rights, is perceived as the best way to get your way instead of simply going to another bakery where everyone can be instantly happy.
 
Lara said:
The 1st Amendment of the Constitution doesn't specify any particular religion for which it's protecting.

It's protecting any and all religions to practice their beliefs at any time. http://https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

That's what this is all about and that's why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Christian baker.

The baker has the right to practice doing what he believes is the will of God according to biblical scripture.

The gay couple have the right to walk across the street and order their cake at that bakery.

Today, much of society hasn't read the Constitution, has grown up in a highly litigious society, and just wants to rant because anger, loudness, and stepping on other people's rights, is perceived as the best way to get your way instead of going to another bakery where everyone can be instantly happy.
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Speaking of rants....
 
I invite all demoninations to talk with me but my criterion is that they have to put the books down and just talk on a level basis.

They ask me why and I tell them. It's because you have the book and I don't so it's not a fair discussion.
 
Chick-Fil-A had an issue with gays a while back. All restaurants are closed on Sunday for religious reasons. When gays got up in arms a while back customers responded by flooding the stores with business and the gays disappeared.
 
I'm sorry my post#55 appeared as a rant to you, Star Song. Rant as defined in the Oxford Dictionary: "speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way".
I can assure you, I wasn't feeling "wild" nor "impassioned" when I typed that post. In fact, I feel like a nap coming on...;)

I try to be factual and helpful in a controlled manner. I spend a lot of thoughtful time on each of my posts. Typing vs face-to-face is not always in our favor. Thank you for reading my post.
 
RGP (did I get it right this time?), my apologies for the typo. :D

Lara, in response to your ever-so-sanctimonious note:

Personally, I have no problem with gays choosing marriage. If that's what they want to do then that's their choice and the judgment is for God to make (which he has made in scripture). I leave that up to God.

I don't judge but I do know that God is against it according to scripture. Would I participate in the marriage by baking them a cake? No, because the Constitution says it "prohibits the government from interfering with a person's practice of their religion" and I would not feel comfortable participating in something God would not be pleased about.

Here's what The Bible says about who the participants should be in a marriage: https://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html

Here's what The Constitution says about Freedom of Religion: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment
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Well... where to begin? If that isn't a perfect definition of Bible-thumping, I don't know what would be. And yes, "Bible-thumping fiundamentalists" is pretty universally accepted, by all those (about 99% of the human race) who do not fall into that particular mindset. You have done this before and I've always ignored it, but you are really, really pushing it. You are inviting the answers you get. And here's a news flash: rigid sanctimony, particularly claiming to know what God wants (really?) is offensive and at the same time, a bit pathetic, especially when the discussion is not about religion at all, but about a Supreme Court decision.

It does seem to me that if a person is really convinced that their religious convictions are right, they do not have the need to keep loudly telling everybody how right they are.

To get back to your suggestion that the gay couple simple go find another bakery (which I also suggested as a common sense solution), what if their religion calls upon them to bear witness against bigotry and homophobia, by not caving in? So now we have one religion (the baker's) pitted against another religion (theirs)!
 
Sunny said:
RGP (did I get it right this time?), my apologies for the typo. :D

Lara, in response to your ever-so-sanctimonious note:



Well... where to begin? If that isn't a perfect definition of Bible-thumping, I don't know what would be. And yes, "Bible-thumping fiundamentalists" is pretty universally accepted, by all those (about 99% of the human race) who do not fall into that particular mindset. You have done this before and I've always ignored it, but you are really, really pushing it. You are inviting the answers you get. And here's a news flash: rigid sanctimony, particularly claiming to know what God wants (really?) is offensive and at the same time, a bit pathetic, especially when the discussion is not about religion at all, but about a Supreme Court decision.

It does seem to me that if a person is really convinced that their religious convictions are right, they do not have the need to keep loudly telling everybody how right they are.

To get back to your suggestion that the gay couple simple go find another bakery (which I also suggested as a common sense solution), what if their religion calls upon them to bear witness against bigotry and homophobia, by not caving in? So now we have one religion (the baker's) pitted against another religion (theirs)!
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Yeah but the baker has the trump card. His artistic talent. Leave that out out the picture and what do you have? No argument at all. Just a bakery shop. Michealangelo argued with the Pope. Michealangelo won.
 
That's true Camper. And if he were forced to create a cake for them, you have to wonder what kind of cake it would be. It would be very hard to create a beautiful, supportive work of art, especially for something like a wedding,
without at least somewhat sharing in the happy feelings.
 
Sunny said:
Lara, in response to your ever-so-sanctimonious note...Well... where to begin? If that isn't a perfect definition of Bible-thumping, I don't know what would be. And yes, "Bible-thumping fiundamentalists" is pretty universally accepted, by all those (about 99% of the human race) who do not fall into that particular mindset...You are really, really pushing it. You are inviting the answers you get. And here's a news flash: rigid sanctimony, particularly claiming to know what God wants (really?) is offensive and at the same time, a bit pathetic, especially when the discussion is not about religion at all, but about a Supreme Court decision.

It does seem to me that if a person is really convinced that their religious convictions are right, they do not have the need to keep loudly telling everybody how right they are.

To get back to your suggestion that the gay couple simple go find another bakery (which I also suggested as a common sense solution), what if their religion calls upon them to bear witness against bigotry and homophobia, by not caving in? So now we have one religion (the baker's) pitted against another religion (theirs)!
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I'll just forget you posted this. It's just mean-spirited and unfounded.
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Hooray for Justice Kennedy !

I fully support the baker's religious rights.

It is rare these days when freedom of religion is protected.

There is a very simple and easy way the baker could have discouraged business for gay wedding cakes. Make the wrong cake ! Misspell the writing. Wrong flavor. Soon the gay community would get the idea.
 
Many things were exhorted under ancient scripture which are problematic today. Slavery, stoning women for adultery, (but not men?) it was accepted that women and children could be severely beaten by the male head of the household, and women were expected to be submissive to their husbands regardless of his behaviour. All rights to the children belonged to him, and

women were chattels. We are no longer living in that narrow, tribal society. I also cannot conflate a loving compassionate Creator with a smiting God who denigrates and punishes those who are not heterosexual. Science now proclaims sexual orientation is not a choice. I have seen too many clients suicide over their family’s inability to accept they were gay. These same families are heartbroken and remorseful once their children are dead. As for the baker, slippery slope.
 
Shalimar said:
Many things were exhorted under ancient scripture which are problematic today. Slavery, stoning women for adultery, (but not men?) it was accepted that women and children could be severely beaten by the male head of the household, and women were expected to be submissive to their husbands regardless of his behaviour. All rights to the children belonged to him, and

women were chattels. We are no longer living in that narrow, tribal society. I also cannot conflate a loving compassionate Creator with a smiting God who denigrates and punishes those who are not heterosexual. Science now proclaims sexual orientation is not a choice. I have seen too many clients suicide over their family’s inability to accept they were gay. These same families are heartbroken and remorseful once their children are dead. As for the baker, slippery slope.
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Thats just great. But it isn't the end of the world when someone refuses to bake a cake for you. Buy a store bought plain one and decorate it yourself with your own theme whatever that is.

We get so tired of this in your face stuff. If I don't like your standards or what you do. Tough.
 
Camper6 said:
Thats just great. But it isn't the end of the world when someone refuses to bake a cake for you. Buy a store bought plain one and decorate it yourself with your own theme whatever that is.

We get so tired of this in your face stuff. If I don't like your standards or what you do. Tough.
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“The in your face stuff,” and accompanying weariness goes both ways, of course. I am content to believe as I do, and, unlike some, I don’t resort to being rude simply because of an opposing opinion. Have a nice day.
 
"There is a very simple and easy way the baker could have discouraged business for gay wedding cakes. Make the wrong cake ! Misspell the writing. Wrong flavor. Soon the gay community would get the idea."

I thought about that myself, back when this was a 'news' hot-topic.

Just make them the worst cake in the world !

But in reality..IMO the homosexuals didn't really go there to get a cake...they went there to stir up, exactly what they did. Homosexual or not, their not stupid. Why go there and insist on spending their money at that persons place of business? Again [opinion] to stir up a storm, just as they did.

As for the baker?...yeah a crap cake would have sent them away but....That would not have made his beliefs known to the world either.

Had {I} been the baker?....I do not understand homosexuals , and I do not agree with their ways but. I would have made them the nicest cake & charged the max amount. Why send away business?..........jmo
 
Keesha said:
Hmmmmm. :rolleyes:

Sooooo..... perhaps this thread could be tossed into the pile of ‘threads that POSSIBLY shouldn’t be done’:laugh:
https://www.seniorforums.com/showthread.php/36205-Threads-That---t-Be-Done
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...and "thar she goes"....Kerplunk :eek:nthego:

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