The wedding cake issue again

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hearlady said:
Well, I guess it sort of is about homosexuality....:)
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hollydolly said:
Well it is about homosexuality...it's about the Baker's religious beliefs against promoting the message of homosexuality...

He's willing to bake a cake and sell to any gay couple. that's not the problem, the problem for HIM, was that he was asked to make a cake by a Gay activist couple to promote Homosexuality ( I've seen the cake and it kinda does, but annoyingly I can't find it now)... and he wasn't prepared to compromise his religious beliefs to do that...in the same way he won't promote or bake cakes for Halloween or anything that goes against his own Christian beliefs!!

Now I'm not saying that was a right or a wrong thing for him to do...I'm just saying it is about homosexuality in this instance...if it would have been Halloween it would have been about that..etc!!

BTW do you all realise this cake was actually ordered and finally baked by another baker waaaay back in 2012??
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Yes it IS about homosexuality clashing with religious beliefs.
 

Camper6 said:
Cash in advance for certain customers. Is that o.k. Or am I violating someone's rights.. I have to grant credit to all?
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Yes, you would be guilty of obvious discrimination and violation of people's rights. If you demanded cash in advance for all customers (think McDonald's) that's ok. But if you operated a restaurant (picture a Denny's) and demanded payment upon ordering from some customers but not all, that would be discriminatory.

The definition of discrimination:
noun
  • an act or instance of discriminating, or of making a distinction.
  • treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
  • the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
 

Keesha said:
Yes it IS about homosexuality clashing with religious beliefs.
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Too you maybe, and granted perhaps some others as well but....Too me it is about pushing aside one persons rights....to grant those of another.

The homosexuals have a right to buy a cake....the baker has every right to say , not here....the end.
 
StarSong said:
.....................US business owners don't have the right to refuse to do business with people based on an arbitrary classification.
Suppose for a moment that you went to a college that refuse you admission or a restaurant that refused to seat you because they deemed you to be female, or too old, too fat, too ethnic (based on the last name you gave for your reservation), too ugly, too white (or too non-white, or a mixed-race couple), or too obviously of the wrong religion because of your hijab (or cross necklace, priest's collar or nun's habit), or they prefer not to despoil their ambiance with the presence of your handicapped child?

Ask not for whom the erosion of your fellow citizen's civil rights tolls, my friends. It tolls for thee.
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Best post I've seen for ages.
I could not agree more.

Refusing to deal with gays is no different to refusing to serve women or blacks or Jews or people with tattoos ..... whatever.
Discrimination is discrimination.
Those who say the business person should be able to pick and choose based on his or her beliefs (prejudices?) are condoning intolerance and divisiveness.
 
If this baker would’ve opened his bakery in a non-gay area, which there are several in the U.S., he wouldn’t have had a problem.

One thing to remember folks, not every town in America has diversity, different races and a gay community.
 
ClassicRockr said:
If this baker would’ve opened his bakery in a non-gay area, which there are several in the U.S., he wouldn’t have had a problem.

One thing to remember folks, not every town in America has diversity, different races and a gay community.
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Gays live in every human-habited nook and cranny of this planet. They may hide who they are from people they don't deem trustworthy, but they're there. What's more, they likely have an underground connected community.

The rest of your statement is a pitiful truth. Yes, not every small town or hamlet in American is racially diverse. Bummer for them.
 
Keesha said:
Yes it IS about homosexuality clashing with religious beliefs.
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rgp said:
Too you maybe, and granted perhaps some others as well but....Too me it is about pushing aside one persons rights....to grant those of another.

The homosexuals have a right to buy a cake....the baker has every right to say , not here....the end.
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Thats regarded as nit picking rgp.

‘It’s about the RIGHTS of homosexuals clashing with the RIGHTS of religious beliefs.’

Same thing! You knew what I meant
 
Keesha said:
Thats regarded as nit picking rgp.

‘It’s about the RIGHTS of homosexuals clashing with the RIGHTS of religious beliefs.’

Same thing! You knew what I meant
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Yes indeed I knew / know what you mean...I just disagree.

Nit picking ? No...what I stated has been my opinion on the subject since it hit the news.
 
StarSong said:
Gays live in every human-habited nook and cranny of this planet. They may hide who they are from people they don't deem trustworthy, but they're there. What's more, they likely have an underground connected community.

The rest of your statement is a pitiful truth. Yes, not every small town or hamlet in American is racially diverse. Bummer for them.
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Actually, two states that don’t have any Gay bars at all.....Wyoming and North Dakota.

There are towns with people that don’t want diversity. We are looking at one to move to. IOW, like it or not, not everyone likes or wants to live in a diverse area.
 
rgp said:
Too you maybe, and granted perhaps some others as well but....Too me it is about pushing aside one persons rights....to grant those of another.

The homosexuals have a right to buy a cake....the baker has every right to say , not here....the end.
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rgp said:
Yes indeed I knew / know what you mean...I just disagree.

Nit picking ? No...what I stated has been my opinion on the subject since it hit the news.
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The homosexuals have a ‘right’ to buy a cake
The Baker has a ‘right’ to say no.

Summing it up it is about the rights of homosexuals clashing with the rights of religious beliefs.

Thats the same thing.
 
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Or not make them a cake which ever works now.

Psalm 137:9
Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
Exodus 21:15
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.

Thankfully not to many good Christians follow everything they think God wants them to do.
 
Keesha said:
The homosexuals have a ‘right’ to buy a cake
The Baker has a ‘right’ to say no.

Summing it up it is about the rights of homosexuals clashing with the rights of religious beliefs.




Thats the same thing.
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NOT too me....it is about the rights of a business man-V-the rights of two customers. The rights of citizen-V-citizen..... From there it just blossomed to the mess that it has become.
 
Knight said:
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Or not make them a cake which ever works now.

Psalm 137:9
Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
Exodus 21:15
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.

Thankfully not to many good Christians follow everything they think God wants them to do.
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[FONT=&quot]Numbers 15:32-36[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

Or not bake him a cake.
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Keesha said:
The homosexuals have a ‘right’ to buy a cake
The Baker has a ‘right’ to say no.

Summing it up it is about the rights of homosexuals clashing with the rights of religious beliefs.

Thats the same thing.
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I didn't want to put it this way but.....I have NO religious argument in this. I am atheist / agnostic . I do not care who 'pokes' who . I like girls....period !

But....someone, anyone,... forcing their 'way' their 'belief' just boils my blood.

Scenario, I'm the baker....I'll bake ya what ever ya want .

Or.....I do not wish to participate in your ceremonial nuptials , have a nice day.

Either / or answer should be acceptable & accepted ...........jmo
 
CeeCee said:
Maybe no gay bars...yet but they do have gay people. You're sticking you're head in the sand if you think otherwise.

https://www.aclu-wy.org/en/news/celebrating-lgbt-community-rural-wyoming
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Did you read the entire article? Wyoming does have some gays, but not a large population of them.
Wyoming just happens to be one state that is not recommended for gays to move to.

Gays don’t bother you, that’s up to you, but there are those that pick areas to live where the gay population is very small, if any. One guy told me, “like MJ, if you don’t look for gays, you’d never believe they lived here.”

BTW, we also know there is a gay rodeo association and some of them are very good at the event they do.
 
rgp said:
How am I forcing anything ? I am not forcing my beliefs on you or anyone...I am only saying I choose not to participate in / support yours.
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That wasn’t MY quote.
It was ‘yours’ :laugh:
Olivia took a quote from you and copied it.
I was merely the messenger.

Soooo you know what they say?

Don’t shoot the messager

Also I don’t really have any position on this so I’m not sure what you ‘are’t supporting’:shrug:
 

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