92 Year Old Woman Charged With Killing Son

AZ Jim said:
Not end of story. She is obviously senile and needs to be placed in a hospital environment. This happened here so I see lots of TV footage you don't. It's a sad story for all.
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No-one has asked why she was allowed to have 2 hand guns in the first place.
At that age most people aren't to be trusted with their own medications.

Slightly off topic but still relevant to that question, Sydney is still reeling over a man who shot dead his 11 and 13 year old children and then himself because of a custody dispute. He had a criminal record and was the subject of a AVO (Aggravated Violence Order) and he was able to legally purchase two hand guns. This is a failure of the system and questions are being asked about this.
 

Warrigal said:
No-one has asked why she was allowed to have 2 hand guns in the first place.
At that age most people aren't to be trusted with their own medications.

Slightly off topic but still relevant to that question, Sydney is still reeling over a man who shot dead his 11 and 13 year old children and then himself because of a custody dispute. He had a criminal record and was the subject of a AVO (Aggravated Violence Order) and he was able to legally purchase two hand guns. This is a failure of the system and questions are being asked about this.
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Warrigal, I thought Australia was mostly gun-free. Not so?
 
WhatInThe said:
Diatribe Alert!

I hope nursing homes are better than in the US. Here no matter how hard one tries in an nursing home or assisted living facility they are flawed just as many hospitals because most working in them are there for a paycheck. Not because they love caring for people, sure there are a few but the size and money involved in these operations are breeding grounds for negligence, corruption, crime and/or abuse. One of the common themes I hear from people is that their loved ones wind up being robbed blind so to speak. Once the staff realizes you are out of it and/or don't care it's open season on your stuff and 'treatment'.

The last few people I know who went in one realized they were there to die and acted like it after the newness wore off. Part of the problem with the way seniors are viewed & treated is that many are not proactive in their approach to physical & mental health. Best thing society can do for seniors is to physically and mentally treat them as older person still living among us, not old fart waiting to die. I know several in their 80s who started a regular exercise program with results.

That being said this 92 year old woman is still a murdering criminal. To play devils advocate-She like many seniors and younger Americans did not or do not plan, save or invest with living into their 90s in mind so now there are financial pressures and/or limited choices. The choice is does one want to live in comfort, with dignity & pride or write their final chapter in life as a criminal. There are reasons people say things like "They are aging gracefully", "Class act" or "They didn't complain". Quite frankly I don't get all upset with certain individuals young or old who snivel about their physical or financial condition especially when they had decades in the second half of their life especially change it(After they let it happen) I know people/drunks/druggies in their 50s who think the world still owes them and 80 year olds who can't handle the fact the age has indeed caught up to them-both are selfish, vindictive and have rationalized ify/criminal behavior no matter how "minor" they think it is. And they cry, whine, moan etc because they did not accept reality and/or try to change/manage it.

The ends do not justify the means, 90 years to learn that lesson and this 92 year old woman/mom failed miserably.
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In a just world, we would all reap the benefits of careful financial planning. In this one, that is not always feasible. Sure, there are people who are as you describe, but many more have been unable to effectively provide for their elder years through no fault of their own. As for final judgement on the mental health of this woman, I would be amazed if she was compos mentis.
 

StarSong said:
Warrigal, I thought Australia was mostly gun-free. Not so?
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A common mistake. What we have is a system of (mostly) uniform laws, registration of firearms, licencing of owners and a ban on importation of certain categories of weaponry.

Getting a licence to own a hand gun is harder than it is for some long guns.

Australia has a big problem with domestic violence. On average one woman per week dies at the hand of a partner. There is a push to make sure that men subject to AVOs are deprived access to firearms even if only for the period of the AVO.
 
Warrigal said:
A common mistake. What we have is a system of (mostly) uniform laws, registration of firearms, licencing of owners and a ban on importation of certain categories of weaponry.

Getting a licence to own a hand gun is harder than it is for some long guns.

Australia has a big problem with domestic violence. On average one woman per week dies at the hand of a partner. There is a push to make sure that men subject to AVOs are deprived access to firearms even if only for the period of the AVO.
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I'm so sorry to learn this. The US also has a terrible problem in this area. Almost 3 women are killed by former or current intimate partners every day in this country, so we feel your pain.
 
Shalimar said:
In a just world, we would all reap the benefits of careful financial planning. In this one, that is not always feasible. Sure, there are people who are as you describe, but many more have been unable to effectively provide for their elder years through no fault of their own. As for final judgement on the mental health of this woman, I would be amazed if she was compos mentis.
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I get that will always be a segment of society that will need financial aid but one of the points I was trying to emphasis and missed is that planning for old age should not have a cap or cut off point. By the time many are in their 60s and collecting social security and maybe a pension they stop investing partly because they assume they might only last another 10-15 years tops. Investing, financial planning needs to be a lifetime thing or as long as one can do it. But too many go on cruise control by their mid 60s partly because that's how they have been groomed intentionally or not through out their life. It's just like health and fitness too many write off any ailment as old age when it frequently nothing but poor nutrition and fitness. I know people who frequently say they didn't expect to live this long and they are at a loss mentally/financially.
 
My friend (and his sister) finally had to put their mother in a nursing home. They really anguished over it long and hard. Each one had tried having their mother live with them, but she became verbally abusive and angry and disruptive because she felt she wasn't getting enough attention, the food wasn't to her liking, etc. In the end she became downright dangerous and so they made the difficult decision to place her in a home. I knew her when she was younger and she wasn't a nice person then, either.
 
Butterfly said:
My friend (and his sister) finally had to put their mother in a nursing home. They really anguished over it long and hard. Each one had tried having their mother live with them, but she became verbally abusive and angry and disruptive because she felt she wasn't getting enough attention, the food wasn't to her liking, etc. In the end she became downright dangerous and so they made the difficult decision to place her in a home. I knew her when she was younger and she wasn't a nice person then, either.
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Exactly, wether it be old age, drugs or circumstances all these things tend to weaken impulse control for various reasons. I know many like this. I know at least one person that simply cannot accept age/time has caught up to them. They are bitter. They got through life off courtesies extended to them because of a disability, not their personality. There attitude has chased family away in a different state refusing to visit.

Some are nice because they want to and others know that's how they are supposed behave and/or do it for social acceptance and reward like a dog performing for a treat.
 
agreed - I thought a donation of a badge might be more appropriate!! but just as an aside - I do believe the Scandinavians have a much better system of saving for retirement and good quality retirement options too!
 
911 said:
I would be really surprised if she gets any jail time.
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Me, too. I would imagine she would end up in some kind of secure treatment facility of some sort.

My friend's mom, whom I was talking about above, had insurance and also savings, and they wee able to find her an Alzheimer's care place where she would be comfortable, but could not wander off or hurt herself or someone else.
 

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