Fatal shooting - argument in parking lot

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fmdog44 said:
How about respect for the handicapped? If the lazy ass would have parked 8 feet further from the store this would never have happened. We see this every day.
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There are 'handic apped' and there are 'handicapped' . I see all kinds of people who have a handicapped sticker on their vehicle and they walk better than I do.

To me a handicapped person that needs a spot closer to the store would be one in a wheelchair or who can't walk without an aid.

People get their doctors to issue a handicapped sticker that are no more handicapped than me. I would be embarrassed.
 

Camper6 said:
There are 'handic apped' and there are 'handicapped' . I see all kinds of people who have a handicapped sticker on their vehicle and they walk better than I do.

To me a handicapped person that needs a spot closer to the store would be one in a wheelchair or who can't walk without an aid.

People get their doctors to issue a handicapped sticker that are no more handicapped than me. I would be embarrassed.
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I understand your questions, and to a point somewhat agree. But I still believe they should be observed for their intended purpose.

I myself may need one in the future. If it comes to using two aluminum crutches [you've seen the type] or a walker...to answer your earlier question...yes eight feet can make a huge difference. Right now I fight the need , that could end at any time.

Here in Ohio, extreme heat summers, extreme cold winters , Ice in the outer portion of the lot. Yes a parking space in the front, even eight feet can be a difference.
 
Facts are facts. Feelings & what if's work for those that want to ignore facts. I wasn't there but watched the video the op presented. I read the article that went along with the video. Hopefully the poster with the ability to read minds didn't put me on ignore will factually.


1.Dispute the fact the woman was parked illegally
2.Dispute the fact there were open legal spaces.
3.Dispute the fact the citizen had the right to question a driver with no handicapped license plate or card for the mirror.
4.Dispute the part of the article where the sheriff said the man shoved to the ground was within the bookends of the SYG law.


As for past bad behavior. Is there an update to change this from a man legally within his right to defend himself to a criminal complaint? Other than to generate sympathy and boost media viewership past bad behavior isn't relevant.


I am in general good health but do have a handicap placard for my mirror, my issue is of no concern to anyone here. People posting trying to justify those that park illegally hopefully won't ever need the space taken up by an inconsiderate idiot.
 

OMG!!! Over a handicap parking spot...!!!!! ...I just mind my own business now a days....People are too trigger happy.... A while ago there was a food fight in the parking lot of a
Grocery Store....Cause someone bumped someone walking across to the car...the other person that was bumped started shouting to the bumper and food was flying everywhere....It was so juvenile to
see too grown men fighting about stupid stuff....I was afraid someone was going to take a gun out....but cops came really fast and broke them up....No one got arrested....
You can't carry a gun in New Jersey!!!! Not that people care!!!!!
 
I don't think a wheelchair is the only indicator of needing handicapped parking. A former coworker had cerebral palsy - he was an excellent driver but used arm braces and had mobility issues when walking. Also see people take a walker from back seat as they get out of car.
 
I have a placard and use handi-cap spaces whenever I can. I have a bum knee from my time in the military, many, many years ago. They fixed it up and it's served me well until I moved into my eighties. Now I have to use a cane for walking but grab a cart as soon as possible. On the other side of this, if my wife or a grand-daughter is with me, I'll drop them at the door and pick them up when they leave. Most people with half a brain will do the same thing.

In my younger days I never even considered taking one of these spaces. They are there for a purpose and it's not just to save a few steps for some healthy but lazy bum!!
 
Hoot N Annie said:
AFAIK, only 4 states follow a "duty to retreat" doctrine. All the rest have some version of stand your ground/castle doctrine in place. I suspect Mr. Drejka will end up being brought to trial for this.
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The so called "castle doctrine" only works in your house or on your own property (in some states in also works in your car), whereas the stand your ground thing works pretty much anywhere you are. I'm strongly in favor of the castle doctrine (which we have in our state), but I think the stand your ground thing goes way further than it needs to.
 
"Perceived threats?" Really? How about all the paranoids out there who perceive a threat in every casual glance in their direction?
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True. A dirty look or rude remark could be interpreted as a "perceived threat".

Concerning the Drejka shooting:

A mentally unfit man, who has a history of hostility and instigating fights in that particular parking lot (and even using a racist slur against one guy), decides to play Charles Bronson and hassle a young woman in a car AFTER her boyfriend leaves the car to go into the store, like the coward he is.

The hassling was bad enough that someone went into the store to alert the boyfriend.

If some parking space vigilante was hassling their wife/gf and trying to pick a fight with her, shoving him would be the least that some men would do.

This wasn't some random guy who was minding his business and then was brutally being assaulted and then defended himself. This was a coward who felt he was untouchable because he had a gun, and no doubt felt emboldened by it. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

This is hardly a textbook case of standing your ground or responsible gun ownership. No wonder our country is in so much trouble with such narrow minded viewpoints.
 
"Why is that so hard for people to understand?"

"No wonder our country is in so much trouble with such narrow minded viewpoints."


Exactly...

Why is it so hard for people to understand that handicapped parking places are for handicapped people? As long as narrow minded arrogant folks continue to ignore this fact these incidences will likely continue .
 
rgp said:
"Why is that so hard for people to understand?"

"No wonder our country is in so much trouble with such narrow minded viewpoints."


Exactly...

Why is it so hard for people to understand that handicapped parking places are for handicapped people? As long as narrow minded arrogant folks continue to ignore this fact these incidences will likely continue .
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What if you are not handicapped but driving a handicap with their car. Is it the car or the person that gets the space. Can I run into the store to get something without getting shot?
 
This wasn't some random guy who was minding his business and then was brutally being assaulted and then defended himself.

Another poster presented an article where he approached someone else for illegal parking. Why he felt the way he does and made it his business to confront people parking illegally in handicapped parking I don't know. We'll need April T the mind reader to tell us. At least you recognize he was, in your words.
"was brutally being assaulted and then defended himself."

This was a coward who felt he was untouchable because he had a gun, and no doubt felt emboldened by it. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

Millions carry a gun, their reason? Self protection probably the main reason. Does that make every owner feel untouchable? I won't post an opinion about what he felt, we sure could use April T the mind reader to let us know what he felt.

This is hardly a textbook case of standing your ground or responsible gun ownership. No wonder our country is in so much trouble with such narrow minded viewpoints.

I agree completely with hardly being a textbook case of SYG. That is why there is a lot of input. Unless & until that law is done away with or modified to address this kind of incident the facts favor the shooter. I don't agree with the law in this instance but I think it is reasonable to say none of this would have happened if the woman had parked in one of the open spaces.

Posting about obeying the law yet recognizing that this instance is unique and could have been avoided is not narrow minded. Not popular but not narrow minded. I could look at the agenda of defending the woman parked illegally & the boyfriend that attacked as being narrow minded but I don't, I chalk it up to a different opinion.
 
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@ Knight

"My words"...look again.
I said he wasn't (as in was NOT) some random guy minding his business who was brutally assaulted.

Nice try, but you failed. :whome:
 
applecruncher said:
@ Knight

"My words"...look again.
I said he wasn't (as in was NOT) some random guy minding his business who was brutally assaulted.

Nice try, but you failed. :whome:
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Exactly not some random guy. That doesn't negate your recognition that he was brutally assaulted. Unless you think anytime a person is shoved to the ground it's OK.
 
Camper6 said:
What if you are not handicapped but driving a handicap with their car. Is it the car or the person that gets the space. Can I run into the store to get something without getting shot?
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Another nit-picking what-if.....

Go ahead if you're really that lazy...roll the dice.
 
Knight said:
Exactly not some random guy. That doesn't negate your recognition that he was brutally assaulted. Unless you think anytime a person is shoved to the ground it's OK.
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I didn't recognize diddly squat.

Reading comprehension issues on your part.

You are really reaching, which indicates you know you've lost.

I'm going to handle you the same way I handle others who like to bicker just for the sake of bickering. You being such a deep thinker, maybe you can figure out what THAT means. :laugh:
 
Camper6 said:
Lazy has nothing to do with it. I asked a question. Is it the car or the person that gets the space?
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To answer your question (at least here in Mass.) the placard travels with the person not the car. if I was to hop in your car and be driven to the store, I can hang the placard in the windshield and go into the store. My photo (same as a license) is on the placard and it makes no difference who's vehicle I'm in.
 
applecruncher said:
Depends on whether Drejka is lurking in the parking lot, salivating with his gun in his pocket.
btw he certainly has provided lots of PR/advertising for that store!!
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Or a clone of his. I'm sincerely hoping that he does get charged and arrested, if only to discourage other would-be self-appointed sheriffs.
 
StarSong said:
Or a clone of his. I'm sincerely hoping that he does get charged and arrested, if only to discourage other would-be self-appointed sheriffs.
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I agree in the rejection of self appointed sheriffs.....but since I do not know that he indeed was one. I refrain from making that assumption & accusation.
 
Didn't the store owner say that he regularly "patrolled' or lurked in the parking lot. And I also thought that the article stated that he was charged with brandishing his weapon at another point but was found "not guilty". As a gun owner myself, I can't find myself bending over backwards to somehow let this character off the hook. IMHO, it's dim bulbs like this guy that brings disgust and distain on the rest of us gun owners who don't spend our time brandishing our weapons in public or looking for challenges that will allow us to "defend" ourselves.
 

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