Fatal shooting - argument in parking lot

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StarSong said:
The shooter is white, the victim black. Many of us cannot help but wonder how quickly "stand your ground" would have been applied to the situation if the shooter been a middle aged black man vs. a young white man whose white GF and two small white children were present.

That's what race has to do with this.
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So again, a what-if. ?

If we cannot stick to the facts...it is no wonder that we cannot come to a collective opinion. If we cannot stick to the facts...then really there is no reason to debate it.......jmo

So if we're going to explore 'what-if's' ? What if it was as you describe above ? Would then be OK with the outcome?............just curious.

See why what-if's should not be an issue?
 

Star Song & Shali, Sorry this made you sick. Guess I'll have to go back and read to see who I could have sworn that ACTUALLY instigated the

scenario and who is therefore guilty of a poor man's death. Ms. Jacobs is the one who was parked illegally.
 
I was going to stay out of this but, what the hell... First, we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for. Secondly, the statement that the incident started when the woman parked improperly is totally incorrect. It started when the shooter decided to be a self-appointed vigilante, complete with his side arm (also known as a "***** stretcher", btw), just waiting in the park lot for an excuse to be outraged. He was actively looking for a confrontation.

Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
I was going to stay out of this but, what the hell... First, we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for. Secondly, the statement that the incident started when the woman parked improperly is totally incorrect. It started when the shooter decided to be a self-appointed vigilante, complete with his side arm (also known as a "***** stretcher", btw), just waiting in the park lot for an excuse to be outraged. He was actively looking for a confrontation.

Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood.
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'...we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for.'

I'm late!!

However, I concur with this synopsis

especially this part;

'Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood'
 
After reading all these posts I,m glad I live in a country where I will not be shot for parking in the 'wrong' place, Where I will not be shot for accidentally staying onto someone else,s property, where I will not be shot for looking at someone in a threatening manner. Yes we have a surge of knife crime over here but this is mostly gang versus gang and not because someone has taken a dislike to someone over a petty argument.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood.
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Very true. Just like Drejka appointed himself judge and jury, lots of other people aren't shy about administering punishment when they believe the law has failed them. Prison inmates are well known for doing exactly this.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...7/25/larry-nassar-assaulted-prison/833106002/

Not saying I approve in all cases, but sometimes poetic justice and karma mangage to sort things out.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
I was going to stay out of this but, what the hell... First, we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for. Secondly, the statement that the incident started when the woman parked improperly is totally incorrect. It started when the shooter decided to be a self-appointed vigilante, complete with his side arm (also known as a "***** stretcher", btw), just waiting in the park lot for an excuse to be outraged. He was actively looking for a confrontation.

Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood.
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  • "Secondly, the statement that the incident started when the woman parked improperly is totally incorrect. It started when the shooter decided to be a self-appointed vigilante, complete with his side arm (also known as a "***** stretcher", btw), just waiting in the park lot for an excuse to be outraged."


    Wrong....had she not parked where she parked , or had not been so arrogant to refuse to move....the confrontation would have never escalated to the point it did. Resulting in him being assaulted then his "*****-stretcher" would have stayed in his pocket.​


 
Hoot N Annie said:
I was going to stay out of this but, what the hell... First, we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for. Secondly, the statement that the incident started when the woman parked improperly is totally incorrect. It started when the shooter decided to be a self-appointed vigilante, complete with his side arm (also known as a "***** stretcher", btw), just waiting in the park lot for an excuse to be outraged. He was actively looking for a confrontation.


Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood.
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Watched the video, obviously you didn't. The video I saw a car parked at the end of the building. Later a concerned citizen not vigilante pulled in. After parking he walked over & checked the car for a plate or placard. At that point according to the article it is known the driver was parked illegally. Standing back from the vehicle he pointed out open spaces. Why he cares about handicapped people having a space to park only he can answer that.


Between the what if's, the mind readers and this post of yours condemning a man that cared enough to speak up for handicapped people then get violently shoved to the ground it's no wonder violence has increased to the point where people are buying guns for self defense is becoming the norm.
 
Knight said:
Watched the video, obviously you didn't. The video I saw a car parked at the end of the building. Later a concerned citizen not vigilante pulled in. After parking he walked over & checked the car for a plate or placard. At that point according to the article it is known the driver was parked illegally. Standing back from the vehicle he pointed out open spaces. Why he cares about handicapped people having a space to park only he can answer that.


Between the what if's, the mind readers and this post of yours condemning a man that cared enough to speak up for handicapped people then get violently shoved to the ground it's no wonder violence has increased to the point where people are buying guns for self defense is becoming the norm.
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+1.... Another commentary well said.
 
fmdog44 said:
When you initiate violence then don't be upset when it bounces right back in your face.
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Uh, yeah.

Drejka initiated violence when he sat in his car and waited for McGlockton to go into the store, :rolleyes: THEN got in McGlockton's girlfriend's face and told her to "move her f'kin car". His rant was so loud and belligerent that several customers noticed and one of them went into the store and alerted McGlockton.
 
Gary O' said:
'...we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for.'

I'm late!!

However, I concur with this synopsis

especially this part;

'Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood'
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:thumbsup1: No doubt, I've been around a long time, I know the feelings of the people here, so no surprise indeed when it comes to their reasoning.

Again take a look at this video, shooter was all up on the woman; imagine had she pulled a gun since he was all up in her face. What would you do after, if true as reported, someone came into the store and told you some man was up in your lady's face. You see McGlockton, backing up and crazy town takes a shot anyway.

It doesn't matter what anyone has to say, those who feel a certain way about people will continue to see it only one way, no matter what. You and others are wasting your breath; put them on ignore, it makes life more palatable as they aren't looking for and exchange of ideas, just more space to hammer in their prejudices.

 
applecruncher said:
Uh, yeah.

Drejka initiated violence when he sat in his car and waited for McGlockton to go into the store, :rolleyes: THEN got in McGlockton's girlfriend's face and told her to "move her f'kin car". His rant was so loud and belligerent that several customers noticed and one of them went into the store and alerted McGlockton.
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You need to watch the video you posted. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad that making the sequence of events to suit your thinking is so wrong.
 
What an attorney viewing the video sees that others can't see, why so many others see it clearly yet certain people of a particular mindset continue to on one frame of mind. It isn't us folks it really is them. It's not just about whether the guy had the law on his side, this goes beyond that even, people here who seem okay to just dismiss it all do so for ulterior motives and we know what those are. He killed him, that's fine, the law says it was okay, lets just move along now and get some more of them out of the way. It's funny how none commented on the videos where the the white men shot other white men not even a whimper about those incidents.





 
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You see McGlockton, backing up and crazy town takes a shot anyway.


No audio so the video is all there is to go by. Backing up but still facing him & close enough to do more harm.


The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.


MythBusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft (6.1 m), the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill




No there is no indication of a knife but the physical strength of McGlockton is apparent. I wasn't there and won't do a what if, always pointed out the immediate violent way McGlockton attacked. Shooting towards center mass doesn't mean intent to kill. Shooting to prevent further harm I think is reasonable.


Presenting this as a race issue is lame. It's about a citizen that cares enough about ignornant people parking illegally & took the time to say something. Then was attacked.
 
Drejka doesn't give a flying fig about the handicapped.

He waited... pounced...shot.

Might have also threatened to kill, like he did a month ago. We haven't heard from witnesses...yet.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
I was going to stay out of this but, what the hell... First, we could all have predicted which posters would take the side of the shooter. All the usual suspects showed up and are accounted for. Secondly, the statement that the incident started when the woman parked improperly is totally incorrect. It started when the shooter decided to be a self-appointed vigilante, complete with his side arm (also known as a "***** stretcher", btw), just waiting in the park lot for an excuse to be outraged. He was actively looking for a confrontation.

Whether he walks or is prosecuted is up to the authorities, of course, but he should pray he is taken into protective custody. Some folks don't take kindly to killing folks in cold blood.
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You don't know he was looking for a confrontation. BTW, some folks don't take kindly to revenge killing as it brings more killing. And the beat goes on.:)
 
fmdog44 said:
You don't know he was looking for a confrontation. BTW, some folks don't take kindly to revenge killing as it brings more killing. And the beat goes on.:)
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When someone gets in another person's face shouting and cursing, that's usually the case.

No, I don't have audio but gf said Drejka was yelling and cursing...we can see his demeanor and gesturing. And if he hadn't been creating a scene one of the witnesses would not have quickly gone into store to alert McGlockton.
 
I think the shooter was way out of line by accosting the driver in the first place. If he's not law enforcement or the business owner, or a handicapped person who can't find another place to park, I don't see where it is any of his business to police who parks where. Regardless of the legality of the car being parked there, it seems to me that the shooter provoked the incident which ultimately resulted in the death.
 
Butterfly said:
I think the shooter was way out of line by accosting the driver in the first place. If he's not law enforcement or the business owner, or a handicapped person who can't find another place to park, I don't see where it is any of his business to police who parks where. Regardless of the legality of the car being parked there, it seems to me that the shooter provoked the incident which ultimately resulted in the death.
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I agree. It seems to me that this was the pivotal point that initiated the tragedy.

No-one seems to have recognised that the dead man was defending his family from an abusive man but without deadly force.
 

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