Evidence of the Afterlife - Scientific Research

[Gary O']

You guys should be pretty much sick to death (and into the afterlife) of my thoughts

But

Yeah

Wimin have feelings beyond the typical men’s (guy men’s) comprehension

Nah, probably an insult to the Neanderthals.

No argument

 

[fmdog44]

Not one person that has been born and lived knows if there is anything after death. Not one. Yet we debate the ultimate void in life itself in the hope that our faith or lack of justifies our opinions. The soul is born out of faith not fact and atheists claim to know what they do not. The debate is as eternal as it is laughable. Go ahead, don't let me stop you.

 

[Lara]

Yeah he's really a graceful Dude...Graceful my ass...Please do not try & sell me on or explain this piece of shit too me.

I didn't try to "sell you" and why would I? It would just be a waste of my time. Did you not hear me say in post#70, "I won't try to change your mind as your mind is already made up". You were given the ability to choose and you've made your choice. And, yes, I agree that you have been sarcastic and rude...not very effective if you want your thoughts to have any credibility in the eyes of our friendly members here.

Btw, you still aren't using the word [God's] Grace correctly. "Graceful" ain't it, Dude

 

[Keesha]

Not one person that has been born and lived knows if there is anything after death. Not one. Yet we debate the ultimate void in life itself in the hope that our faith or lack of justifies our opinions. The soul is born out of faith not fact and atheists claim to know what they do not. The debate is as eternal as it is laughable. Go ahead, don't let me stop you.

You don’t know with absolute certainty that this is fact.

 

[fmdog44]

You don’t know with absolute certainty that this is fact.

Prove it!!

 

[Keesha]

Not one person that has been born and lived knows if there is anything after death. Not one. Yet we debate the ultimate void in life itself in the hope that our faith or lack of justifies our opinions. The soul is born out of faith not fact and atheists claim to know what they do not. The debate is as eternal as it is laughable. Go ahead, don't let me stop you.

Prove it!!!

 

[Butterfly]

I don't believe it can be scientifically proven one way or the other -- I mean whether there is is not an afterlife -- not in the way we can prove that bacteria exist or that oxygen does. It's a matter of personal faith and belief, or lack of it.

 

[Keesha]

I don't believe it can be scientifically proven one way or the other -- I mean whether there is is not an afterlife -- not in the way we can prove that bacteria exist or that oxygen does. It's a matter of personal faith and belief, or lack of it.

Precisely MY point.

 

[fmdog44]

I don't believe it can be scientifically proven one way or the other -- I mean whether there is is not an afterlife -- not in the way we can prove that bacteria exist or that oxygen does. It's a matter of personal faith and belief, or lack of it.

Exactly my point.

 

[Lara]

I agree Keesha. We aren't suppose to have all the answers to creation...the who-what-when-why-where of it all. If we knew all the answers then there would be no such thing as "Faith".

Faith is essential in order to exercise our created free-will to choose our intelligent designer- creator or choose the belief of life just happening from chaos. Faith is essential for God to have a relationship with humanity. Otherwise we would be all-knowing loveless robots that he created. You can't have a real relationship without love and respect by choice.

There's nothing to study if we know all the answers. It's part of the on-going relationship with our creator.

Of course I don't know this for sure. And of course no one else does either. But I'm exercising "faith" based on my studying and what I've experienced throughout my relationship with God and through prayer...and by faith I do know.

And exactly my point in my post#50 above :cheers:

 

[Camper6]

Back to the topic.

Life after death.

Nothing ever disappears after being born.

You just change form.

Wood becomes ashes in a fire and is converted into gases and ashes. Neither of which disappear. They go into the atmosphere or into the earth.

So life is an ongoing thing in different forms.

 

[Lara]

Camper, members have been ON-topic, and in agreement discussing that life after death can't be proven. It is believed by faith based on our own experiences.

Also, you said, "Nothing ever disappears after being born. You just change form....life is an ongoing thing in different forms. Wood to ashes..."

You are talking about our physical bodies...our flesh & bones. There's more to humans than flesh & bones. Where do you think that goes?

 

[rgp]

I didn't try to "sell you" and why would I? It would just be a waste of my time. Did you not hear me say in post#70, "I won't try to change your mind as your mind is already made up". You were given the ability to choose and you've made your choice. And, yes, I agree that you have been sarcastic and rude...not very effective if you want your thoughts to have any credibility in the eyes of our friendly members here.

Btw, you still aren't using the word [God's] Grace correctly. "Graceful" ain't it, Dude

So, gods grace is a word , definition....you decide it to be?

grace·fulˈɡrāsfəl/
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• having or showing grace or elegance.
  
  
  
  

 

[rgp]

Prove it!!!

Can you prove afterlife?.....

Exhumation has proven time & time again, that after a certain amount of time, we are no more than a collection of bones in a box. That is fact.

 

[rgp]

I didn't try to "sell you" and why would I? It would just be a waste of my time. Did you not hear me say in post#70, "I won't try to change your mind as your mind is already made up". You were given the ability to choose and you've made your choice. And, yes, I agree that you have been sarcastic and rude...not very effective if you want your thoughts to have any credibility in the eyes of our friendly members here.

Btw, you still aren't using the word [God's] Grace correctly. "Graceful" ain't it, Dude

"not very effective if you want your thoughts to have any credibility in the eyes of our friendly members here."

So we are required / expected, to placate to a certain segment of the group? I don't do that..I don't mince words....I say what I honestly feel. If you or others can't deal with it?....that's on you/them.

 

[Sunny]

Apparently most religions believe in the Afterlife. I don’t know as much about religion. It’s something I wish I’d taken in school while I had the chance. Today, on Dr. Oz I learned that even the Jewish believe in reincarnation. It was news to me.

Its interesting that most religions believe in it but not many want to admit it or talk about it.

A while back, Keesha, you said the above. I just wanted to point out that the more modern religions do not necessarily believe in an afterlife. I know, you said most, not all, but I just wanted to put in a
word for Unitarianism, Ethical Culture, Humanism, etc. I'm not even sure about Judaism. The word for heaven is often used in Jewish prayers, but I don't think there is the same emphasis on rewards/
punishments, an afterlife, etc. as there is in Christianity.

 

[Lara]

Unitarian or Universalists are a "liberal religion" that accepts everyone's belief no matter what it is from all over the world. They say in a statement that many of the members believe there is no afterlife and many leave it as an open question. Most don't believe in Judgement Day but some do they say.

It sounds a little like mass confusion rather than a gathering of like-minded individuals. The only thing "like-minded" about them is that they accept all "unlike-minded" individuals into their group....which is fine but not a religion imo.

Ethical Culture and Humanism are not religions and really not worth arguing over either.

 

[drifter]

I suppose I am hopeful. I have often thought this life was the hell we read about and were condemned to this existance from another life. Maybe it is just as well if death ended it all.

 

[Elsie]

rgp, I do not see your responses as rude. I believe you spoke from your heart your truth. What I saw/read that came across to me was anger, battling against a belief that upsets you. But why battle against what you don't believe in anyway? You believe in what you believe in, and I believe in the opposite of what you believe in. So it is. "Let not your heart be troubled."

 

[Elsie]

drifter, as I heard Andy Stanley say: (Paraphrasing) "I'm not afraid of going to Heaven, I just don't wanna do what you have to do to get there.....die. lol (Andy is the son of Rev. Charles Stanley.)

 

[Sunny]

Lara, you may have a point about humanism not being a religion as opposed to a social philosophy. But you are wrong about Ethical Culture, which most definitely is a religion. Here is one definition I found:

Ethical Culture is a religion centered on ethics, not theology, whose mission is to encourage respect for humanity and nature and to create a better world. Members are committed to personal ethical development in their relationships with others and in activities involving social justice and environmental stewardship.

Unitarian-Universalism is certainly not as you described. It is a beautiful, life-encompassing religion, with churches and fellowships, ministers, weekly services, study groups, music, choirs, etc. In fact, it pretty
much follows a Protestant model of service, although it does not have a creed or "official belief" that is mandated. That is what makes it a modern religion, IMO. People are not told what to believe, but are encouraged to search for their own meaning in life.

It is certainly not the hodgepodge you describe; there are many common areas of belief. Someone who actually believes "sinners" go to "hell" would probably not join a UU church. Though they would certainly provide some lively discussion groups!

 

[exwisehe]

My opinion has no importance, so I will refer to scripture's account of what happens at death, for that is God's Word, and I embrace it.

Luke 16 has an interesting account of the beggar named Lazarus at the gate who died and went to Abraham's bosom (a reference to heaven), having been carried by angels. (that's a very comforting thought - for not only do we go immediately into God's presence, we have an escort!)

Later in the chapter a rich man who had enjoyed all of life's riches, but ignored the needs of others, found himself being tormented in another place. He wanted Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch the tip of his tongue. But Abraham said that there was a great gulf, and no one could move from one side to the other.

This is a stunning proclamation for me, and I know that there may be some scoffing, but the bible explains that those who belong to God's kingdom have been able to "span the bridge" by having faith in Jesus.

 

[Keesha]

A while back, Keesha, you said the above. I just wanted to point out that the more modern religions do not necessarily believe in an afterlife. I know, you said most, not all, but I just wanted to put in a
word for Unitarianism, Ethical Culture, Humanism, etc. I'm not even sure about Judaism. The word for heaven is often used in Jewish prayers, but I don't think there is the same emphasis on rewards/
punishments, an afterlife, etc. as there is in Christianity.

I did not know this. Thank you

 

[Lara]

Lara, you may have a point about humanism not being a religion as opposed to a social philosophy....But you are wrong about Ethical Culture, which most definitely is a religion....Unitarian-Universalism is certainly not as you described...

Like I said, it's not worth discussing whether Ethic Culture is a religion or not. Some say Po-TA-toes and some say Po-ta-toes. Everyone agrees it's not important enough to argue.

My thoughts on the Unitarian church were based on their online statement I read just prior to my posting AND on my real-life visit there listening to a sermon of only current events & politics, void of any biblical inspiration. I was expecting Inter-denominational and instead found it was Non-denominational as was listed in the yellow pages (yes, it was a while ago lol). It was cold. So much for them being accepting of everyone.

 

[rgp]

rgp, I do not see your responses as rude. I believe you spoke from your heart your truth. What I saw/read that came across to me was anger, battling against a belief that upsets you. But why battle against what you don't believe in anyway? You believe in what you believe in, and I believe in the opposite of what you believe in. So it is. "Let not your heart be troubled."

Well first, thank you for the clarification. However, with respect it was not anger either, I just tend to speak very profoundly .

Example here...you said "Let not your heart be troubled."....I believe you mean that as blessing?...Thanks again. But...ya see too me the heart is a muscle that pumps blood...period.

When people start touting the praises of scripture . I think of what I see around me, and i cannot share those praises. As such I rebuff them...profoundly.

If I have offended you,...I apologize , as it was not my intent....I believe I denounced scripture....which was my intent.