Evidence of the Afterlife - Scientific Research

rgp said:
...you said "Let not your heart be troubled."....I believe you mean that as blessing?...Thanks again. But...ya see too me the heart is a muscle that pumps blood...period.
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When people relate heart to love or feelings, NO one takes "heart" as a literal organ pumping blood. You must not have gotten the memo :D. That's okay, we all still heart you, rgp :love_heart:

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rgp said:
Can you prove afterlife?.....

Exhumation has proven time & time again, that after a certain amount of time, we are no more than a collection of bones in a box. That is fact.
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Ok. What is this certain amount of time you speak of?
I’d really like to know?
 
rpg, what I detest being told is, "Think positive. Be glad you don't have something worse... blah blah. But I do find comfort in asking God to help me get through some distress. I get through them, but I don't always think I did because God helped me. But I do believe He gave me the endurance to do so. :)
 

Keesha said:
Ok. What is this certain amount of time you speak of?
I’d really like to know?
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That would depend on the burial itself. In the old pine box as it were,it comes much more quickly. The body decays , more rapidly, the bones are all that remains.

In modern burial, the decaying process is slowed due to [primarily] the tighter seal of the gasket / coffin. But in the end over enough time bones are all that remain.

Hence the term, our 'remains'.

Exact years, months, weeks, days, hours ?...I do not know.
 
Lara said:
When people relate heart to love or feelings, NO one takes "heart" as a literal organ pumping blood. You must not have gotten the memo :D. That's okay, we all still heart you, rgp :love_heart:

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Ah but ya see I do.....I do not relate love or feelings to the heart. Those are functions of mind. But I do appreciate the kind sentiment still the same.
 
drifter said:
I suppose I am hopeful. I have often thought this life was the hell we read about and were condemned to this existance from another life. Maybe it is just as well if death ended it all.
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This life has tough trials and tribulations for many reasons in preparation for what's to come. But it's not Hell. Not even close. There is goodness and beauty to be found all around us. Sometimes you have to look a little harder but it's around.
 
rgp said:
That would depend on the burial itself. In the old pine box as it were,it comes much more quickly. The body decays , more rapidly, the bones are all that remains.

In modern burial, the decaying process is slowed due to [primarily] the tighter seal of the gasket / coffin. But in the end over enough time bones are all that remain.

Hence the term, our 'remains'.

Exact years, months, weeks, days, hours ?...I do not know.
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I wasn’t asking how long it takes for a human body to decompose. I was asking ‘when are we considered ‘clinically dead’, time wise.?”


According to everything I’ve read, medical science can’t seem to agree on this.
At one point in time it was 3 to 4 minutes, which coincided with the heart stopping since no blood is being pumped to vital organs.


Now it appears that it’s when there is no electrical impulses in the brain, however this has proved to be FAR from the case. Documented studies have proven time and time again that the brain can die along with the rest of the body yet the patient still has full recollection of things happening around them with 100% accuracy. I’ve brought this point up time and time again yet it gets ignored. Why?


My conclusion is that medical science doesn’t know for certain when someone is declared clinically dead, hence the reason why so many coffins have had scratch marks from nails inside the lid


If this is the case, then perhaps medical science should redefine what ‘clinically dead ‘ means but they don’t because they don’t know. If THEY don’t know and can’t explain unusual after death phenomenon, then how can any of us know for certain?


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/46418-clinical-death-definitions.html
 
Keesha said:
I wasn’t asking how long it takes for a human body to decompose. I was asking ‘when are we considered ‘clinically dead’, time wise.?”


According to everything I’ve read, medical science can’t seem to agree on this.
At one point in time it was 3 to 4 minutes, which coincided with the heart stopping since no blood is being pumped to vital organs.


Now it appears that it’s when there is no electrical impulses in the brain, however this has proved to be FAR from the case. Documented studies have proven time and time again that the brain can die along with the rest of the body yet the patient still has full recollection of things happening around them with 100% accuracy. I’ve brought this point up time and time again yet it gets ignored. Why?


My conclusion is that medical science doesn’t know for certain when someone is declared clinically dead, hence the reason why so many coffins have had scratch marks from nails inside the lid


If this is the case, then perhaps medical science should redefine what ‘clinically dead ‘ means but they don’t because they don’t know. If THEY don’t know and can’t explain unusual after death phenomenon, then how can any of us know for certain?


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/46418-clinical-death-definitions.html
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I am not clinically trained / educated, to give an accurate answer....'bottom line'...I do not know. But at 'some point' we do become a collection of bones in a box.

You touch on a 'somewhat' common fear...although I think it harkens back in time some what, to when people were buried in a totally different fashion, & with no body preparation . I seriously doubt ? although i do not know,... of any case where a cadaver has awakened after embalming.

If [you] are aware of such?...please share.
 
rgp said:
I am not clinically trained / educated, to give an accurate answer....'bottom line'...I do not know. But at 'some point' we do become a collection of bones in a box.

You touch on a 'somewhat' common fear...although I think it harkens back in time some what, to when people were buried in a totally different fashion, & with no body preparation . I seriously doubt ? although i do not know,... of any case where a cadaver has awakened after embalming.

If [you] are aware of such?...please share.
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EXACTLY. Thank you. You aren’t trained / educated enough to give an accurate answer. You do not know, neither does anyone else so how do we know there isn’t life after death if we can’t clearly define what death even is?

Thank you for finally admitting this.
 
Keesha said:
EXACTLY. Thank you. You aren’t trained / educated enough to give an accurate answer. You do not know, neither does anyone else so how do we know there isn’t life after death if we can’t clearly define what death even is?

Thank you for finally admitting this.
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I am only admitting that I am not clinically / medically trained to know an exact time line.
I have never heard of or witnessed anyone returning from the dead. And in my lifetime embalming has been the norm, as far as burial preparation. Once the blood is removed & the formaldehyde has replaced it....you're dead....period.

Name one person that you know of...even by just rumor...that has returned from the dead.
 
rgp said:
I am only admitting that I am not clinically / medically trained to know an exact time line.
I have never heard of or witnessed anyone returning from the dead. And in my lifetime embalming has been the norm, as far as burial preparation. Once the blood is removed & the formaldehyde has replaced it....you're dead....period.

Name one person that you know of...even by just rumor...that has returned from the dead.
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But then it goes right back to ‘ define dead. ‘ Without a proper definition, how can the questions of Afterlife possibly be answered.
I’m not answering your question because it’s irrelevant to the topic.

Did you read that link? It’s actually very interesting.
 
Keesha said:
But then it goes right back to ‘ define dead. ‘ Without a proper definition, how can the questions of Afterlife possibly be answered.
I’m not answering your question because it’s irrelevant to the topic.

Did you read that link? It’s actually very interesting.
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Well, for me...dead is when the doc / a doc, announces that we are in fact dead.

Absolute dead is when they drain the blood & replace it with the formaldehyde .

That process sometimes takes as long as bureaucracy dictates, but once complete, it's over.

How can you say that my question is irrelevant ? when it goes directly to the question of the thread? So once again, have you known personally , or known of, anyone that has come back to life after , being pronounced dead, embalmed , and buried? If you have...I would surely like to meet them.
 
This is why religious or otherwise belief in more than just material life is not a good thing to discuss in a secular board. I am a believer but in no way do I think I will ever persuade a non-believer in a forum like this. However, I do understand the point of it when sharing among ourselves that have those beliefs and interests. If then, just got to take the roses with the thorns in such a case.
 
C_Sally said:
"For myself, this is compelling evidence that mind and consciousness cannot be reduced to brain activity."

I agree with that. My brother is atheist but believes in a form of life after death. He believes our consciousness doesn't die, that it's akin to electricity and goes somewhere. He said it could be our very atmosphere, or dark matter.

What Keesha said reminds me of those youtube videos where people who are color blind put on those special glasses. To the color-blind, green always looked like "this" and purple like "that". They recognized green and purple by sight but to others they were seeing neither green nor purple. And some of them cried when they saw for the first time how vivid and bright green and purple appear to the non-color-blind.
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I agree with your brother. I think the spirit is a life force that leaves the body and is incorporated into the "pulse" of the universe.
 
I don't understand all this obfuscation about what "dead" is. "Dead" is not some kind of mystical, spiritual word. It's a description of a physical entity that no longer breathes, has no brain activity, or in a plant,
ceases to grow, respire, or have photosynthesis. In other words, anything that permanently stops living is dead.

The fact that some people have mistakenly been called dead when they are not, does not in any way mean we cannot properly define death. Of course we can.
 
Sunny said:
..."Dead" is not some kind of mystical, spiritual word. It's a description of a physical entity that no longer breathes, has no brain activity...anything that permanently stops living is dead.
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Yes, of course our physical bodies die. But there is a difference between PHYSICAL death and SPIRITUAL death (or eternal life).

God says He will give us new bodies. I just hope the new bodies are when we were in our prime :D
 
What creates faith? If a person was born and lived 100% alone for his/her entire life without any outside input from any source what questions would that person have on existence? What if the same circumstance was applied to a man & woman that had two children? Would the questions be the same?
 
Explain why prior to the rise of Christianity and other "established" religions man had so many different "gods" to worship. They simply made decisions that God XYZ existed because......?
 
Sunny said:
I don't understand all this obfuscation about what "dead" is. "Dead" is not some kind of mystical, spiritual word. It's a description of a physical entity that no longer breathes, has no brain activity, or in a plant,
ceases to grow, respire, or have photosynthesis. In other words, anything that permanently stops living is dead.

The fact that some people have mistakenly been called dead when they are not, does not in any way mean we cannot properly define death. Of course we can.
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If the term ‘dead’ is so straight forward then why is it that even ‘experts’ have a difficult time defining what it is?
If we were to use the definition you just gave us then there have been countless examples of dead people who have complete conscious awareness. How does this happen then?
 
FMDog Because once humans developed language we also developed the ability to ask philosophical questions and to formulate answers to those questions.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US and the world.
 
rgp, when something very painful happens to you, where does your pain manifest itself--in your chest or (only) in your mind?
 
Why so many "different" gods? It seems that all peoples find they need a higher power than themselves to help them get through life's troubles. Many cultures pick a human man they esteem, and worship him, follow his rules/advice on & on. Some worship nature...... Personally, learning and reading the Book that gives credence to the why of our existence makes so much good common sense I felt within me this common sense and so God of the Bible I believe is the only true/real God of all.
 
Elsie said:
Why so many "different" gods? It seems that all peoples find they need a higher power than themselves to help them get through life's troubles. Many cultures pick a human man they esteem, and worship him, follow his rules/advice on & on. Some worship nature...... Personally, learning and reading the Book that gives credence to the why of our existence makes so much good common sense I felt within me this common sense and so God of the Bible I believe is the only true/real God of all.
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To me, I think there is some sort of creator but to think another human being can dictate the true answer is absurd. The Earth was created in six days. Believe it?
 

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