Julie Chen, Les Moonves ...sexual assault, etc.

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I wasn't going to get into this, but I saw a comment that made my jaw drop (more about that in a minute).

Recap:

Julie Chen is host of Big Brother, and she also hosted The Talk for 9 yrs but recently announced she is leaving that show. Since 2004 Julie has been married to Les Moonves. FORMER chairman/CEO of CBS.

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excerpt from The New Yorker:

Update: Three hours after the publication of this story, CNN reported that Moonves would step down from his position at CBS. Later the same day, CBS announced that Moonves had left the company and would not receive any of his exit compensation, pending the results of the independent investigation into the allegations. The company named six new members of its board of directors and said it would donate twenty million dollars to organizations that support the #MeToo movement and workplace equality for women. The donation will be deducted from any severance payments that may be due to Moonves.


Members of the board of the CBS Corporation are negotiating with the company’s chairman and C.E.O., Leslie Moonves, about his departure. Sources familiar with the board’s activities said the discussions about Moonves stepping down began several weeks ago, after an article published in the TheNew Yorker detailed allegations by six women that the media executive had sexually harassed them, and revealed complaints by dozens of others that the culture in some parts of the company tolerated sexual misconduct. Since then, the board has selected outside counsel to lead an investigation into the claims.


As the negotiations continue and shareholders and advocacy groups accuse the board of failing to hold Moonves accountable, new allegations are emerging. Six additional women are now accusing Moonves of sexual harassment or assault in incidents that took place between the nineteen-eighties and the early two-thousands. They include claims that Moonves forced them to perform oral sex on him, that he exposed himself to them without their consent, and that he used physical violence and intimidation against them. A number of the women also said that Moonves retaliated after they rebuffed him, damaging their careers. Similar frustrations about perceived inaction have prompted another woman to raise a claim of misconduct against Jeff Fager, the executive producer of “60 Minutes,” who previously reported to Moonves as the chairman of CBS News.


One of the women with allegations against Moonves, a veteran television executive named Phyllis Golden-Gottlieb, told me that she filed a criminal complaint late last year with the Los Angeles Police Department, accusing Moonves of physically restraining her and forcing her to perform oral sex on him, and of exposing himself to her and violently throwing her against a wall in later incidents. The two worked together in the late nineteen-eighties. Law-enforcement sources told me that they found Golden-Gottlieb’s allegations credible and consistent but prosecutors declined to pursue charges because the statutes of limitations for the crimes had expired. Early this year, Moonves informed a portion of the CBS board about the criminal investigation.

(full article)
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...women-raise-new-assault-and-harassment-claims

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There are lots of articles and reports out there now about this. I watched back in July when Julie defended her husband and said she was standing by him. BUT...I remember how she criticized Camille Cosby (Bill Cosby's wife) and said SHE was in denial. Earth to Julie Chen....Hellooooooo, hypocrite. :rolleyes:

However, earlier tonight I saw a discussion on another site where someone said Les Moonves was probably changed and should be praised because "he's not raping and assault women anymore and has overcome his struggle". WHAT??!! :eek:mg1:



 

Julie's exit:

[video]https://www.today.com/video/julie-chen-leaves-the-talk-after-les-moonves-cbs-exit-1324034115647?v=railb&[/video]
 
and once again, all nothing more than allegation / accusation at this time and all claimed incidents took place many,many years ago.

Where's the proof of any of it?
 

Moonves admits to three of the incidents, including kissing his doctor, but he says the incidents were consentual. He was married at the time, and he was married when he became involved with Julie. He left his wife for Julie. Julie said her husband is a moral guy and she's going to work to clear his name.

:lofl:
 
Theres too many like stories and I read about him stalling and hurting the woman who produced Designing Women in regards to her career and business. I believe it about him and applaud the women who are still coming out. If Julie wants to stay with him, good for her. He was married when she got involved with him. Its crazy what some men think is consentual just because they got away with it. The woman on The Talk even said "He has a problem". Problem, no he is a predator and is finally being called out .
 
The biggest problem is, "He says it was consentual". I wasn't there, how can I draw a conclusion? This is particularly true many, many years later.

Cases like Tawana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse have to make you wonder. I'm not saying they women are lying but I am saying, "How do you know?". A rape that is immediately reported with a "rape kit" as evidence is one thing, but these decades old incidents that are popping up now have to be questioned.
 
Moonves admits to three of the incidents, including kissing his doctor, but he says the incidents were consentual. He was married at the time, and he was married when he became involved with Julie. He left his wife for Julie. Julie said her husband is a moral guy and she's going to work to clear his name.

:lofl:

Shes either truly delusional or has blinders on for self protection.
I dunno. I’ve always viewed her as a fairly intelligent women until all this evolved.
 
Women have stood by their men throughout history. I have no idea what the personal struggles are that these women are facing. I also believe in our constitution and if I recall correctly a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

I remember being about 12 and hearing stories of how "women slept their way to the top". No so much that they were being taken advantage of but that they actually used their sexuality to get what they wanted (fame, glory, money etc.) I kept hearing that all the way through my life until about the 80's when it started to change.

I remember being young and at parties where alcohol use was abundant and people woke up the next day and had no idea what happened the day before. Alcohol affects us all differently: some people get sloppy drunk, some people pass out, some people vomit, some people have to go pee all the time, some people pee on themselves, some people have severely impaired judgement, some people become extremely violent. So before I sound like a crazy Kansan from the Women's Temperance Movement of the 1920's I would like to say:

In the United States we have a constitution which says that a person is innocent until proven guilty. This is a right afforded to each and every one of us. Media has essentially become judge, jury and executioner and I'm not sure I like that very much. Who says one of us won't be next? In no way do I support rape, abuse of any kind but I have seen some decent men get hauled through the ringer for alleged crimes they did not commit. I would like to give our court system a chance to work. Maybe it's not the best in the world, justice isn't always received as desired, but a "witch hunt" mentality becoming the rule of the day makes me a bit fearful.
 
Moonves admits to three of the incidents, including kissing his doctor, but he says the incidents were consentual. He was married at the time, and he was married when he became involved with Julie. He left his wife for Julie. Julie said her husband is a moral guy and she's going to work to clear his name.


He says consensual , she says not. Where's the proof either way? At this point, where is he automatically wrong?

I'm not going to argue morality...to wide a brush , and too loosely interpreted IMO.



"and he was married when he became involved with Julie."

So Julie herself is a homewrecker ! If , in that incident he is less than 'moral' ? So is she.
 
To me, Julie Chen's departure from CBS does not seem strange and IMO she might have been nudged out of the door.

Her farewell remarks sounded like carefully crafted corporate/lawyer speak.

In my mind, it's all just business at this point.

It would not surprise me if after the dust settles and any money due from CBS is in hand that they settle up and go their separate ways.
 
"and he was married when he became involved with Julie."

So Julie herself is a homewrecker ! If , in that incident he is less than 'moral' ? So is she.

Good thing a lot of these people don't live in Oklahoma, Wisconsin or Idaho where adultery is still considered a felony.
 
Is there no longer a statute of limitations on these accusations?
It seems good,bad or indifferent a lot of men are being painted with the same brush
 
He says consensual , she says not. Where's the proof either way? At this point, where is he automatically wrong?

I'm not going to argue morality...to wide a brush , and too loosely interpreted IMO.



"and he was married when he became involved with Julie."

So Julie herself is a homewrecker ! If , in that incident he is less than 'moral' ? So is she.

She is not necessarily the one who wrecked the home; he, becoming involved with a woman outside his marriage, had as much a hand in it as did she.

I have always found it odd that a woman (or man, either, for that matter) who becomes involved with a married man or woman who leaves his/her spouse and marries the other man/woman, ever could really expect that it would not happen again, and to them. I mean, if a man is fooling around outside his previous marriage and trades the first wife for a different model, why wouldn't he do the same thing again? Morality aside, I would never be able to trust such a man as far as I could throw him.
 
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In the United States we have a constitution which says that a person is innocent until proven guilty. This is a right afforded to each and every one of us. Media has essentially become judge, jury and executioner and I'm not sure I like that very much. Who says one of us won't be next? In no way do I support rape, abuse of any kind but I have seen some decent men get hauled through the ringer for alleged crimes they did not commit. I would like to give our court system a chance to work. Maybe it's not the best in the world, justice isn't always received as desired, but a "witch hunt" mentality becoming the rule of the day makes me a bit fearful.

I applaud your post. Excellent, and also terrifying the witch hunts that are going on in this country today. I don't know whether Moonves is guilty, but I will wait until a trial is held. "Innocent until proven guilty" is being swept aside for cheap publicity. Disgusting.
 
She is not necessarily the one who wrecked the home; he, becoming involved with a woman outside his marriage, had as much a hand in it as did she.

I have always found it odd that a woman (or man, either, for that matter) who becomes involved with a married man or woman who leaves his/her spouse and marries the other man/woman, ever could really expect that it would not happen again, and to them. I mean, if a man is fooling around outside his previous marriage and trades the first wife for a different model, why wouldn't he do the same thing again? Morality aside, I would never be able to trust such a man as far as I could throw him.

Regarding your first sentence...isn't that basically what I said?

Regarding your second sentence...I agree.
 
I applaud your post. Excellent, and also terrifying the witch hunts that are going on in this country today. I don't know whether Moonves is guilty, but I will wait until a trial is held. "Innocent until proven guilty" is being swept aside for cheap publicity. Disgusting.


"trial is held. "Innocent until proven guilty" is being swept aside for cheap publicity. Disgusting."

While I agree.

Trial?...have the accusations now turned criminal ?
 
That "I need to spend more time with my family" line is really getting old. You'd think someone would come up with something a little more original!
 
Most of these topics have little to do with the behavior of either party. When discussed on this site or other similar sites, follow the political leanings of the posters on other subjects and you will know which side of these sexual issues they will fall.

A large portion of this country while not necessarily approving of sexual misconduct will twist themselves into the shape of a pretzel defending a person so charged IF he or she shares their political leanings. In modern times we've had Bill Clinton in one case and our present leader in another. One sunk by the 'blue dress" and the other by his own admissions of what part of the ladies he likes to grab.


Hypocrisy at it's finest, but rather sad that the women always seem to come out of these situations in the worst light while the men are cheered on by their political supporters.
 
Most of these topics have little to do with the behavior of either party. When discussed on this site or other similar sites, follow the political leanings of the posters on other subjects and you will know which side of these sexual issues they will fall.

A large portion of this country while not necessarily approving of sexual misconduct will twist themselves into the shape of a pretzel defending a person so charged IF he or she shares their political leanings. In modern times we've had Bill Clinton in one case and our present leader in another. One sunk by the 'blue dress" and the other by his own admissions of what part of the ladies he likes to grab.


Hypocrisy at it's finest, but rather sad that the women always seem to come out of these situations in the worst light while the men are cheered on by their political supporters.


And in the case of Clinton....his political supporters were [by something like 43%]...women.
 
And in the case of Clinton....his political supporters were [by something like 43%]...women.

And the political leanings show again and prove the point!

Probably should leave this now before the whole thread gets banned. My point was not political in either way but to show the hypocrisy and futility of actually discussing the rights and wrongs of these type of actions based on the facts that are known. Nothing has been PROVEN by either party and there's no emergency that I know of? Maybe a thorough investigation by the FBI would clear up the facts so that we all would know.
 
Most of these topics have little to do with the behavior of either party. When discussed on this site or other similar sites, follow the political leanings of the posters on other subjects and you will know which side of these sexual issues they will fall.

A large portion of this country while not necessarily approving of sexual misconduct will twist themselves into the shape of a pretzel defending a person so charged IF he or she shares their political leanings. In modern times we've had Bill Clinton in one case and our present leader in another. One sunk by the 'blue dress" and the other by his own admissions of what part of the ladies he likes to grab.


Hypocrisy at it's finest, but rather sad that the women always seem to come out of these situations in the worst light while the men are cheered on by their political supporters.

Generally agree. Which is why I will never participate in this type of topic again. Not worth it.
 
Well yeh started with Chen dating a married man. I don't know what he told her like I'm separated, getting divorced or "we have an agreement" but it's obvious that Chen wanted a ride on a money train or someone to get them to the celebrity career path super highway. What she knows now other what's in the news is another story.

I've seen manipulative people date for money, career etc. They knowingly forced themselves on someone ignoring they had existing relationships. They did it a second time all but stalking the person after they broke up constantly calling them allegedly about old business including their child from another marriage-oh they want to talk to you. What happens in a relationship like that is the stalking target knows if nothing else they get blind loyalty which they tend to exploit. Which one might say would be proof Moonves 'will take advantage'.
 
And the political leanings show again and prove the point!

Probably should leave this now before the whole thread gets banned. My point was not political in either way but to show the hypocrisy and futility of actually discussing the rights and wrongs of these type of actions based on the facts that are known. Nothing has been PROVEN by either party and there's no emergency that I know of? Maybe a thorough investigation by the FBI would clear up the facts so that we all would know.


Investigate what exactly?....... Inappropriate behavior in the workplace is for the boss to deal with. {If it's a crime?} call the police. In the case of that other so-called newsworthy story....do we really want our national police agency {FBI} wasting their time investigating whether or not a 17 yr/old boy tried to steal a kiss..cop a feel..36 damn yrs ago?....<geez>
 
"trial is held. "Innocent until proven guilty" is being swept aside for cheap publicity. Disgusting."

While I agree.

Trial?...have the accusations now turned criminal ?

What? Since a guilty verdict presupposes a TRIAL, then I suppose your answer is "yes." (And just FYI, I am not referring to any specific situation, just commenting in general.)
 
And the political leanings show again and prove the point!

Probably should leave this now before the whole thread gets banned. My point was not political in either way but to show the hypocrisy and futility of actually discussing the rights and wrongs of these type of actions based on the facts that are known. Nothing has been PROVEN by either party and there's no emergency that I know of? Maybe a thorough investigation by the FBI would clear up the facts so that we all would know.

The thread won't be closed if you leave politics out of it. The Julie Chen/Moonves issue has nothing to do with politics. The FBI has nothing to do with this thread or the original topic. Since the Moonves situation is not a federal crime, I doubt the FBI would ever be involved.
 


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