Mudslide in Washington State

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I hope that no-one on this forum is affected personally by this horrific mudslide. It is rather terrifying to learn of houses and people being suddenly buried under tons of mud.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-...missing-in-washington-state-landslide/5342664

This sort of thing rarely happens in Australia - not enough soil, rain or mountains. Same with sinkholes.

How likely is something like this to happen in the USA? How do the authorities plan for it and/or handle it?
 
And a flood on top of it- sheesh.

Okay, someone enlighten me, please - what causes mudslides? Is it just that the type of soil out there is very fluid, or is it due to construction, or weather, or ... ?
 
It must be very devastating for the folks who live there. Combination of the lay of the land, and the heavy rains recently made the mudslide happen. They had another in the same area in 2006, but from what I hear it moved much slower, therefore giving the residents a chance to react with some warning.

This one was so fast, the people didn't even see it coming. I don't think the authorities can really do anything. There are a lot of areas that suffer from erosion in the US, California has certainly had its share of mudslides with the drought related fires, and flash flooding with no trees to control the water.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/24/washington-mudslide/6823195/
 
Well, yeah. I guess you shoot more than 50 each year. :sorry:

I've been trying to get statistics on deaths from bush fires, which are our most widespread form of natural (or deliberate) disasters, and although they are frequent and cover a lot of territory, we don't actually lose many lives each year because of them.
 
On the news this morning, they explained that the soil was like silt with a mixture of boulders, and after fires ravaged the area the rains turn it all to mud on the mountainous slopes. The weight then drops the earth in seconds.
 
My daughter lives 4 miles from the mudslide, has friends missing and is an emergency nurse in the nearby hospital. Her second son in 2 years was inducted into the Marines today on top of it all. I've been sick with worry about her and her friends all day and wishing I could have one more hug from my boy.
 
I used to live in Western Washington, and when the rain out there starts; sometimes it just rains for days, and even for weeks straight. The ground just gets saturated until it can't hold the dirt in place on the steep slope, and then it comes down. Apparently, they have been seeing this slide coming for the last three weeks, and people said they were worried when driving past the area on the highway because smaller mudslides have been happening already at that place.
Another possibility is that there was a small quake in the area that shook the ground enough to make it all come down at once.
Flooding in Western Washington is fairly common due to all the rains, and then the melting snow from the mountain passes; and this slide happened not that far from the area where the snow would be starting to melt now.

Usually, there are not mudslides, especially not like this one; just a lot of areas that are flooded, so it is the people who live along the rivers who have to be worried. There is only a few feet drop in elevation down to sea level all the way from I-5 to the ocean, so when it floods, the water takes forever to run off and dry up again.
Right now, the mudslide has also blocked off most of the river nearby; so they were also concerned that the blockage would open suddenly, flooding everything downriver, but apparently they no longer think that will happen.
With all the mud all over everything, it is going to take some time to find many of the missing people here.
I have family in the area as well; but they are far enough away that it is not affecting them. I hope your family and friends are ok, Lonelynorthwind.
 
Lonelynorthwind, thank goodness your daughter is okay, wishing the best for her friends and all involved.
 
I hope that no-one on this forum is affected personally by this horrific mudslide. It is rather terrifying to learn of houses and people being suddenly buried under tons of mud.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-...missing-in-washington-state-landslide/5342664

This sort of thing rarely happens in Australia - not enough soil, rain or mountains. Same with sinkholes.

How likely is something like this to happen in the USA? How do the authorities plan for it and/or handle it?

California as far as I know is known for them. But then that state gets all sorts of natural disasters.
 
My daughter lives 4 miles from the mudslide, has friends missing and is an emergency nurse in the nearby hospital. Her second son in 2 years was inducted into the Marines today on top of it all. I've been sick with worry about her and her friends all day and wishing I could have one more hug from my boy.

Just got this this morning and I hope you got some good news by now. My prayers are with you and this shows the reality of how these impact on lives. Here we are tossing about statistics but this is the human reality.
 
It's just horrible, Gael. No chance at this point anyone could still be alive under there. It's so hard to be so far away but daughter & family are fine, just distraught, such sadness and detestation is hard to imagine.
 
It doesn't take fires stripping the hillsides of vegetation that necessarily causes the circumstances surround landslides although it can contribute as there are many factors involved. Constant heavy rain on an already soaked hillside can create a flow off mud underneath the surface of steep terrain and eventually everything just cuts loose. During an El Nino winter, on January 3, 1982, rain fell heavily in a torrent all day and night. Love Creek, Ben Lomond in the Santa Cruz Mountains washed away a great swath of land that killed many who are still buried underneath the soil.
 
I had wondered about an earthquake possibly being involved with causing this; and now it does appear that this might indeed have been at least a part of what happened here.
There is an earthquake fault line (Devil's Mountain fault line) that runs right along the area where the mudslide occurred, and this might have been responsible for the slides that have occurred near there. Apparently, there was also one about a year ago, just not a bad one.
Another reason that could have been a cause of the slide, is that there was apparently logging in the area, either recently, or in the past.
When they log in Western Washington, they do what is called "clear-cutting", which means that every single tree is taken down (making it easier for the loggers) which then leaves ugly bare hillsides like this with no trees and root systems to help hold the land in place. The slide started from the bottom of the mountain, which left nothing to support the top, so it came crashing down on top of the rest of everything, creating mud piles said to be up to 180' deep in some places. It is no wondr they can't get in there to find missing people !
Plus, the area where the slide came down was exactly where a little community of houses once was. If you look at the google map of the area, you can see the homes happily nestled in the curve of the river right at that point.

The map below shows the area where the slide happened, and you can see the red fault line on the right side of the picture, where it crosses the river, right at the same place as the landslide occurred.
I read that they are supposed to be sending in the National Guard to help tonite. I only wish they could have gotten more help there sooner, and saved more lives.
 
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This is a search dog helping in the recent Washington mudslide. He has tirelessly been searching for victims.
https://www.facebook.com/i.love.dogs.tv
 
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