10 Dead in Shooting at Oregon College.

Baaaaahhhhhhhh ...

Go ahead ... march right into your oblivion while you mutter your phrases about how the world should be ... instead of doing something about it.
 
SifuPhil said:
Baaaaahhhhhhhh ...

Go ahead ... march right into your oblivion while you mutter your phrases about how the world should be ... instead of doing something about it.
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If by doing something about it means everyone carrying and turning this country into one massive shoot out at the OK corral... with innocent people dying both at the hands of the bad guys OR at the hands of the good guys who are poor shots or misread a situation.. I see little hope for this country. It is already an embarrassment in the eyes of the rest of the world for cripes sake..
 
Until we have the reasons behind this persons activity, we have nothing to go on at all. It is not the gun's fault as they are inert and do nothing till a person activates it. A neighbor described this person to be a very angry person. Could that be all the problem? We find out when all the investigation is complete, not before.

For the idea that a few are keeping the many from getting guns our out of the US is totally wrong to begin with.

In the US it takes 2/3 of each house in Congress to get such a move active. Then once considered to be a justification it takes a procedure to 2/3 of all the states to agree also. It is not a procedure designed for speed but for one where the masses do agree that our Constitution should be changed properly and not just for some few that want things to be their way.

It can happen and will if in time the masses agree with the few that do wish it to happen. Our Constitution is more important that these sudden gun episodes. Why did they not happen in our past history.

These current events are happening more frequently than before and not just because of the presence of guns. There is something else going wrong with the US ways of raising our young folks. That needs to be discovered and corrected. Not teaching enough of self respect or concern for others? I don't know but do feel certain that it is something other than guns.

Look to Switzerland as a place where guns is part of their lives. It is also part of their social system as they do have big shooting days and guns are plenty in sight. I think one thing they do is control the ammunition but they allow all, military reserves and private citizens no longer in reserves to have guns. It is something not apparent in the US and something we once had but have lost.
 
Philly, I am very fond of you, but please do not patronise me. I have stared death in the face multiple times, so I know of what I speak. For me gentleness is a choice, not a weakness. As for doing something about it, I have spent decades working in the trenches, have stood as shepherd between my beloved vets in the throes of flashbacks and possible victims multiple times.That was my choice. Once i was injured, although the poor man could have killed me if he wished. I would do it again. BUT I WILL NOT CARRY A GUN!!!
 
mitchezz said:
Luckily I've recovered the power of speech.

So Phil, by your logic the kiddies at Sandy Hook should have been toting semi automatics?
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Sorry straw man arguement won't wash

NRA has 5 million members and at least 5 million supporters more than the population of the smaller UK members and half the population of Australia or Canada. These countries are an embarrassment to 2nd Amend. Supporters in the US. But of course we are the majority and suppressing Quicksilver.
HIPPA files will not be opened, different set of laws. 2nd will not be repealed. Why don't you blame the 1st. Which allowed the free speech and web sites this wacko got his brain washing?
 
Shalimar said:
Philly, I am very fond of you, but please do not patronise me. I have stared death in the face multiple times, so I know of what I speak. For me gentleness is a choice, not a weakness. As for doing something about it, I have spent decades working in the trenches, have stood as shepherd between my beloved vets in the throes of flashbacks and possible victims multiple times.That was my choice. Once i was injured, although the poor man could have killed me if he wished. I would do it again. BUT I WILL NOT CARRY A GUN!!!
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that is a decision you did/have/are making. I too have worked with battered children, druggies for a life time, but the only thing it has to do with this topic is the fact some of those folks can tip over at any time and kill with or without a gun.
 
Ameriscot said:
Phil will likely say all the teachers should have been armed with automatic weapons. Right Phil? :rolleyes:
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Sorry straw man arguement.

could be just as logical to say each child needs own bodyguard, in either case it assumes that assessment of situation is in some way superior.
 
rt3, under the right circumstances most individuals can tip over and become homicidal. Usually they do not go on a rampage and shoot multiple innocent people. Also, my earlier comments are germaine to this topic because they speak to what constitutes victimology and personal morality issues around carrying.
 
The media always turns these murderers into celebrities which could appeal to someone who is already about to go over the edge. The idea of everyone knowing their name and talking about them endlessly on the news, in forums, etc really appeals to some sickos even if they know they'll likely be dead and not around to enjoy it.
 
rt3 said:
Sorry straw man arguement won't wash

NRA has 5 million members and at least 5 million supporters more than the population of the smaller UK members and half the population of Australia or Canada. These countries are an embarrassment to 2nd Amend. Supporters in the US. But of course we are the majority and suppressing Quicksilver.
HIPPA files will not be opened, different set of laws. 2nd will not be repealed. Why don't you blame the 1st. Which allowed the free speech and web sites this wacko got his brain washing?
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Don't really understand your point. Regardless of NRA member numbers, population of other countries etc children and teens are being massacred at schools and colleges in the USA. No justification about free speech, websites for this to continue. The indisputable fact is that whackos can obtain firearms under present laws.
 
rt3 said:
Sorry straw man arguement.

could be just as logical to say each child needs own bodyguard, in either case it assumes that assessment of situation is in some way superior.
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So, what you are saying is that the individual's right to carry a firearm is greater than a child's right to be safe at school? Also, to accommodate that right children may need to be protected by a gun toting security service? You've been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies.
 
Wow rt, really? You are calling Canada, and Australia an embarrassment? Hmm, that certainly is pointed. Goes beyond healthy criticism into the morass of prejudice. It is one thing to address behaviour, quite another to slam whole nations. Offensive, to say the least.
 
mitchezz said:
Don't really understand your point. Regardless of NRA member numbers, population of other countries etc children and teens are being massacred at schools and colleges in the USA. No justification about free speech, websites for this to continue. The indisputable fact is that whackos can obtain firearms under present laws.
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So your issue then is not the ill gotten guns but the screwed up rules that don't allow the gun sellers and controllers to have the important information needed to fill your concerns of preventing the possible gun users from doing so.
 
rt3 said:
Sorry straw man arguement.

could be just as logical to say each child needs own bodyguard, in either case it assumes that assessment of situation is in some way superior.
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I never said it was logical, I said Phil would use that argument!
 
rt3 said:
Sorry straw man arguement won't wash

NRA has 5 million members and at least 5 million supporters more than the population of the smaller UK members and half the population of Australia or Canada. These countries are an embarrassment to 2nd Amend. Supporters in the US. But of course we are the majority and suppressing Quicksilver.
HIPPA files will not be opened, different set of laws. 2nd will not be repealed. Why don't you blame the 1st. Which allowed the free speech and web sites this wacko got his brain washing?
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Sorry Rt... you are a bit confused... the VAST majority of NRA members support stronger background checks. It's the NRA itself.. who takes money from the Gun industry that does not.. but the rank and file certainly want some form of sensible gun control. I'm not being suppressed... YOU are being fooled.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ny-poll-big-backing-for-assault-ban-086333

An overwhelming majority of people living in a household with a National Rifle Association member support universal background checks for anyone who wants to purchase a gun, one of several proposals President Barack Obama has put forth in the wake of the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn, a new poll shows.
Among those living in a household with an NRA member, 85 percent support universal background checks, according to a CBS/New York Times poll out Thursday, which was conducted before Obama announced his proposals.


Overall, 92 percent of Americans back universal background checks, 7 percent oppose and the remaining 1 percent are undecided, according to the poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Among Republicans, 89 percent support background checks and 93 percent of Democrats favor the checks.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ny-poll-big-backing-for-assault-ban-08633
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ny-poll-big-backing-for-assault-ban-086333#ixzz3nQdo1X00
 
mitchezz said:
So, what you are saying is that the individual's right to carry a firearm is greater than a child's right to be safe at school? Also, to accommodate that right children may need to be protected by a gun toting security service? You've been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies.
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No he's not saying that... what he is saying is that the way to stop the massacre is for every man woman and child to carry a gun... that would make the Gun and ammo manufacturers very happy.. and continue to support the NRA to do their bidding.
 
QuickSilver said:
No he's not saying that... what he is saying is that the way to stop the massacre is for every man woman and child to carry a gun... that would make the Gun and ammo manufacturers very happy.. and continue to support the NRA to do their bidding.
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I'm so glad that my greatest fear is that the neighbours will start up their mowers too early on the weekends. I'd be too scared to leave the house if I lived in America.
 
mitchezz said:
I'm so glad that my greatest fear is that the neighbours will start up their mowers too early on the weekends. I'd be too scared to leave the house if I lived in America.
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Why? If you lived here and your neighbors started up their mowers way to early...... you could blow their brains out... Wouldn't that be nice?
 

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